DeadSlash Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Does anyone know? There was the whole thing when they considered naming their album "Chinese Democracy You snooze you lose." But long before that, in the limewire days, I had downloaded a bootleg of The Offspring where Dexter teased a cover, Noodles played the opening riff of SCOM, (to an enormous pop, fyi) and Dexter was like "Fuck that, they suck!" This is years before the Snooze you lose thing. If this needs to be moved to a different sub-forum, I'm sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 No beef, Axl said he liked the message of one of their songs but outside of that didn’t think much of them. I think I recall him saying something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 things come to mind about that 1) When Axl got his hair braided in the early aughts, the lead singer of Off Spring was already known for his signature braids. They were identical hair do's. When Offspring threatened to call their album "Chinese Democracy; you snooze you loose" The singer also said in the press that 'if you copy my haircut, I'll copy your album title.' 2) I swear I remember a different band starting SCOM and stopping, saying it sucks. Limp Bizkit is coming to mind. (I could be totally wrong about this) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, DeadSlash said: Does anyone know? There was the whole thing when they considered naming their album "Chinese Democracy You snooze you lose." But long before that, in the limewire days, I had downloaded a bootleg of The Offspring where Dexter teased a cover, Noodles played the opening riff of SCOM, (to an enormous pop, fyi) and Dexter was like "Fuck that, they suck!" This is years before the Snooze you lose thing. If this needs to be moved to a different sub-forum, I'm sorry. Obvious innit, bands that consider themselves coming from some sort of a punk sensibility often take a dim view to the likes of Guns n Roses and like to ridicule them a bit and it works in the other direction too, I remember Eddie Van Halen say once when talking about the highly politicized Clash 'what bands like The Clash don't understand and what a lot of these bands don't understand is that you can't take life so damn seriously honey!'. Its just a bit of light ribbing, not a lot more. Guns n Roses occupy the strange position of being sort of passe right from their inception, something to do with the juxtaposition of the safe mainstream and the cutting edge underground, they were never and have never really been the 'cool' band to be into. But thats OK, you can wear that right if you know how and Guns often did...and just as often did not. They were so of that passe ilk that even big mainstream bands of the time took the piss out of them a bit. Its nothing to be taken ever so seriously, what matters end of the day is the work. Edited March 23, 2019 by Len Cnut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 hours ago, soon said: 2 things come to mind about that 1) When Axl got his hair braided in the early aughts, the lead singer of Off Spring was already known for his signature braids. They were identical hair do's. When Offspring threatened to call their album "Chinese Democracy; you snooze you loose" The singer also said in the press that 'if you copy my haircut, I'll copy your album title.' 2) I swear I remember a different band starting SCOM and stopping, saying it sucks. Limp Bizkit is coming to mind. (I could be totally wrong about this) Limp Biszkit played th opening Riff of scom at Rock am Ring in the early 2000s, because gnr cancelled their Performance at the Festival... They were joking around... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lame ass security Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 hours ago, soon said: 2 things come to mind about that 1) When Axl got his hair braided in the early aughts, the lead singer of Off Spring was already known for his signature braids. They were identical hair do's. When Offspring threatened to call their album "Chinese Democracy; you snooze you loose" The singer also said in the press that 'if you copy my haircut, I'll copy your album title.' 2) I swear I remember a different band starting SCOM and stopping, saying it sucks. Limp Bizkit is coming to mind. (I could be totally wrong about this) If it was Limp Bizkit I'm sure that it really stung Axl coming from a rock icon like Fred Durst. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, lame ass security said: If it was Limp Bizkit I'm sure that it really stung Axl coming from a rock icon like Fred Durst. At least later Durst made it up to Axl when Durst reunited Guns N' Roses! (vid of Durst original claim about brokering the Guns regrouping seems to have vanished, but its referenced here!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdh Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ZODIAC said: Limp Biszkit played th opening Riff of scom at Rock am Ring in the early 2000s, because gnr cancelled their Performance at the Festival... They were joking around... It was the Foo Fighters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 8 hours ago, soon said: 2 things come to mind about that 1) When Axl got his hair braided in the early aughts, the lead singer of Off Spring was already known for his signature braids. They were identical hair do's. When Offspring threatened to call their album "Chinese Democracy; you snooze you loose" The singer also said in the press that 'if you copy my haircut, I'll copy your album title.' 2) I swear I remember a different band starting SCOM and stopping, saying it sucks. Limp Bizkit is coming to mind. (I could be totally wrong about this) You're thinking of Linkin' Park. They did a piece of it until it became obvious that the members didn't know the changes, the doofus DJ then exclaimed "alright, enough of that shit." I think the Offspring were just in a camp of people who were watching Axl try and make his comeback without any original members and were offended at the notion. This was right around 2001, so the exposure he was getting was beginning to dawn on people after VMAs. One newer rock band trying to stand on the head of an old one, is as deep as it seems, to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeridianHand Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Offspring were so cringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, MeridianHand said: Offspring were so cringe. SMASH had a few great tunes. But when they started churning out utter crap at the turn of the millennium like Pretty Fly, original prankster....game over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish nutter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, DTJ80 said: SMASH had a few great tunes. But when they started churning out utter crap at the turn of the millennium like Pretty Fly, original prankster....game over. Thats the only 2 of their songs i can listen to lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billly B Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 13 hours ago, soon said: 2 things come to mind about that 1) When Axl got his hair braided in the early aughts, the lead singer of Off Spring was already known for his signature braids. They were identical hair do's. When Offspring threatened to call their album "Chinese Democracy; you snooze you loose" The singer also said in the press that 'if you copy my haircut, I'll copy your album title.' 2) I swear I remember a different band starting SCOM and stopping, saying it sucks. Limp Bizkit is coming to mind. (I could be totally wrong about this) He cut his hair and spiked it then... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, appetite4illusions said: You're thinking of Linkin' Park. They did a piece of it until it became obvious that the members didn't know the changes, the doofus DJ then exclaimed "alright, enough of that shit." Yeah it's here - 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 18 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: No beef, Axl said he liked the message of one of their songs but outside of that didn’t think much of them. Axl said during the Eddie Trunk interview he liked their song from the movie Orange County, which was this song: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 It's fascinating that multiple bands have done this. I know the SCOM riff has been made fun of because of its simplicity, I did not know this was like "a thing." I have no idea if it's possible for me to find that clip, I do know I found it on limewire looking for GnR leaks and it came up. It was an audio clip, and not the greatest quality. This was before I had even found this site (possibly before it existed.) it's too bad, because I would have brought it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Ok now this is weird - Chester says something like "we play this out of love because they're here". Rock im Park/Rock am Ring 2001 lineup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_am_Ring_and_Rock_im_Park Quote June 1-3 2001 Blackmail, HIM, Anastacia, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Radiohead, Alanis Morissette, Kid Rock, Godsmack, OutKast, Reamonn, Hed PE, Mudvayne GNR were indeed supposed to play that festival on the 1st and 3rd (first shows of their cancelled 2001 European tour): http://www.gnrontour.com/setlistalm01.htm Quote 06.01.01 - Rock Im Park Festival, Frankenstadion, Nürnberg, Germany opening acts: Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Linkin Park, 3 Doors Down notes: This show was canceled due to an illness with guitarist Buckethead. Quote 06.03.01 - Rock Am Ring Festival, Eifel, Nürburgring, Germany opening acts: Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Linkin Park, 3 Doors Down notes: This show was canceled due to an illness with guitarist Buckethead. Did GNR cancel at the last minute, or was Chester just out of the loop and thought they were still headlining? First time I've ever considered that they were actually in Germany and ready to play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Obvious innit, bands that consider themselves coming from some sort of a punk sensibility often take a dim view to the likes of Guns n Roses and like to ridicule them a bit and it works in the other direction too, I remember Eddie Van Halen say once when talking about the highly politicized Clash 'what bands like The Clash don't understand and what a lot of these bands don't understand is that you can't take life so damn seriously honey!'. Its just a bit of light ribbing, not a lot more. Guns n Roses occupy the strange position of being sort of passe right from their inception, something to do with the juxtaposition of the safe mainstream and the cutting edge underground, they were never and have never really been the 'cool' band to be into. But thats OK, you can wear that right if you know how and Guns often did...and just as often did not. They were so of that passe ilk that even big mainstream bands of the time took the piss out of them a bit. Its nothing to be taken ever so seriously, what matters end of the day is the work. I don’t believe other bands took issue with GNR until UYI era because of the global success of the band. It was easy to take shits at GNR. How many bands have actually accomplished global success 4 years into their career? And Green Day likes and appreciate me GNR. I believe most musicians would say GNR were the last great rock band. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, DeadSlash said: It's fascinating that multiple bands have done this. I know the SCOM riff has been made fun of because of its simplicity, I did not know this was like "a thing." I have no idea if it's possible for me to find that clip, I do know I found it on limewire looking for GnR leaks and it came up. It was an audio clip, and not the greatest quality. This was before I had even found this site (possibly before it existed.) it's too bad, because I would have brought it up. It's only simplistic if you play it wrong, it's actually pretty difficult to nail precisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, lame ass security said: It's only simplistic if you play it wrong, it's actually pretty difficult to nail precisely. It is in no way intended as a personal knock on the one of the most iconic riff off all time, I've just heard various comments about the simplicity of it. I know Slash has even kind of dissed in the past. It's just something I've heard frequently, it's impossible black magics to me. Edited March 24, 2019 by DeadSlash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, DTJ80 said: SMASH had a few great tunes. But when they started churning out utter crap at the turn of the millennium like Pretty Fly, original prankster....game over. Im glad im not the only one who always thought that. Needless to say the lead singer has put on some weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Sydney Fan said: Im glad im not the only one who always thought that. Needless to say the lead singer has put on some weight. I've always thought that The Offspring had a few good songs, and re-released them multiple times. I don't know if anyone else has payed attention, but a shit ton of their songs sound like a direct rip off of another one of their songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 they just had fun doing this, that's all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said: I don’t believe other bands took issue with GNR until UYI era because of the global success of the band. It was easy to take shits at GNR. How many bands have actually accomplished global success 4 years into their career? And Green Day likes and appreciate me GNR. I believe most musicians would say GNR were the last great rock band. I don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Len Cnut said: I don’t. When did you become a musician? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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