Ghostie Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Not sure how I stumbled into this rabbit hole, but there are some intriguing aspects, and red herrings aplenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: No, he wasn't. lol This. It did once fascinate me that it was actually a thing. I recommend checking out the series called Rotten Apple on YouTube. The guy even edited snippets of off the cuff McCartney tunes and made them into actual songs - half decent, even though his claims are bonkers. Edited March 25, 2019 by Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotsfired cro Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 somewhere, sometime...probably. which band do you ask about? sure as hell not in the Beatles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Competition Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) The Paul Death rumors are a fun hole to dive down, but it's basically just a fun fiction story. I had a whole book on it at one point and it was an incredibly fascinating read. Some things were really crazy and some were obviously grasping for straws. That said the past and current Macca is and has always been the one and only. Edited March 25, 2019 by Stiff Competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On a slight tangent, The Beatles were the coolest looking band in the world: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: That is the best look. 4 (well 5 actually as they had Stu) Gene Vincents. Epstein got them into off-the-peg suits and they looked like a bunch of bumboys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: That is the best look. 4 (well 5 actually as they had Stu) Gene Vincents. Epstein got them into off-the-peg suits and they looked like a bunch of bumboys. What is wrong with mod suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Competition Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Len Cnut said: On a slight tangent, The Beatles were the coolest looking band in the world: absolutely man. The had so many cool looks over the years... Edited March 25, 2019 by Stiff Competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I asked my mom about the whole Paul being dead with the White Album. She never believed it. Her favorite Beatle was John. She loved his peaceful nature and his sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said: I asked my mom about the whole Paul being dead with the White Album. She never believed it. Her favorite Beatle was John. She loved his peaceful nature and his sense of humor. You know he was a very aggressive, narky and often violent young man, don’t you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I don’t know. Was Cobain murdered? Or is he the frontman of Weezer now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Len Cnut said: What is wrong with mod suits? Five Gene Vincents, Four woofters, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Len Cnut said: You know he was a very aggressive, narky and often violent young man, don’t you? Battered his Mrs quite a lot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Five Gene Vincents, Four woofters, Whereas leather trousers, leather jackets, thats like, the height of heterosexuality is it? They were really astute to ditch that look, even in the early 60s it had become passe and old, they would've never became what they became if they'd've stayed dressed like four greasers. Quite apart from that only 3 of the 5 of em have actually got the leather look there, McCartneys jacket is basically what they were wearing when Epstein got hold of em except that the jacket was all black, still had the velvet collars and that. The reason they were at the forefront of fashion/culture/music etc was cuz they moved forward, why would you wanna look like Gene Vincent, there already is (or was) a Gene Vincent. You had to pick the Nehru collars didn't you, the worst suit look they wore They were quintessentially British and the greaser thing is a yankified look. They would've never been taken seriously dressed as greasers, I mean can you imagine them hanging out with the Michael Caines and Connerys of this world, all fuckin' kitted out in perfectly tailored Bond Street suits...and them looking like they just came off the shift at the local garage. They were already looked down upon somewhat for being scousers. Edited March 26, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Dean said: Battered his Mrs quite a lot too. I dunno about quite a lot but yeah, he was known to stick one on his missus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 22 hours ago, Len Cnut said: You know he was a very aggressive, narky and often violent young man, don’t you? Most young man are! But at least John did change his ways. Just sorry he didn't have a chance to continue to do better especially for his sons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 11:50 AM, Stiff Competition said: The Paul Death rumors are a fun hole to dive down, but it's basically just a fun fiction story. I had a whole book on it at one point and it was an incredibly fascinating read. Some things were really crazy and some were obviously grasping for straws. That said the past and current Macca is and has always been the one and only. I agree, fun stuff for sure. Have you ever seen the skit on SNL with Paul and Chris Farley? Farley brings up the death rumors by asking him "that was, like, a hoax, right?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Competition Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 59 minutes ago, lame ass security said: I agree, fun stuff for sure. Have you ever seen the skit on SNL with Paul and Chris Farley? Farley brings up the death rumors by asking him "that was, like, a hoax, right?" hahaha yes...that skit is so funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Hot take: The Beatles are one of, if not THE most overrated band of all-time. I mean, I like them well enough, but they're not the be-all, end-all, greatest band ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said: Hot take: The Beatles are one of, if not THE most overrated band of all-time. I mean, I like them well enough, but they're not the be-all, end-all, greatest band ever. Yes they are. Iits impossible to overrate their influence, the new ground they broke alone, in ways big and small, makes them the most important band that ever existed. Its difficult to argue against that point whatever you might feel personally about their music. Edited March 27, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Len Cnut said: Yes they are. You are wrong and I am right. Thank you for your time. My biggest problem with them is all of their early fluff material. It's aged horribly. Give me the Stones over the Beatles any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said: My biggest problem with them is all of their early fluff material. It's aged horribly. Give me the Stones over the Beatles any day of the week. I think a good tune is a good tune forever. Y'know there's some that argue that bands like The Stooges or The Ramones or The Sex Pistols have a more pronounced influence based on some of what you say, i.e. the early work that aged horribly. 40 years after The Beatles you weren't really getting bands influenced by The Beatles in the sense that you could hear it in their sound so much...The Stooges and The Ramones you can hear the influence of in even new bands today. I love their early stuff though, I think its joyous, I've never subscribed to this idea that the early stuff was fluff and the later stuff was high art, I think they were very consistent throughout, right at that top level. In fact I probably listen to their early stuff more because it sounds so fresh and vital and alive. They are one of few bands that really really really seemed to be enjoying their job, like they sang and played with a sort of joy that is very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: I think a good tune is a good tune forever. Y'know there's some that argue that bands like The Stooges or The Ramones or The Sex Pistols have a more pronounced influence based on some of what you say, i.e. the early work that aged horribly. 40 years after The Beatles you weren't really getting bands influenced by The Beatles in the sense that you could hear it in their sound so much...The Stooges and The Ramones you can hear the influence of in even new bands today. I love their early stuff though, I think its joyous, I've never subscribed to this idea that the early stuff was fluff and the later stuff was high art, I think they were very consistent throughout, right at that top level. In fact I probably listen to their early stuff more because it sounds so fresh and vital and alive. They are one of few bands that really really really seemed to be enjoying their job, like they sang and played with a sort of joy that is very rare. I say this as I put on "Past Masters" and listened to "I'm Down" - maybe my favorite Beatles song. One of them, at least. Keep in mind, I love 50's rock and rockabilly (Elvis, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, etc.) and I dig their takes on that material, so I get what you're saying about a good song being a good song forever. While the early stuff is definitely upbeat, "happy" sounding music, there's just a certain amount of sappiness to it that is hard for me to look past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said: I say this as I put on "Past Masters" and listened to "I'm Down" - maybe my favorite Beatles song. One of them, at least. Keep in mind, I love 50's rock and rockabilly (Elvis, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, etc.) and I dig their takes on that material, so I get what you're saying about a good song being a good song forever. While the early stuff is definitely upbeat, "happy" sounding music, there's just a certain amount of sappiness to it that is hard for me to look past. I love that shit, I wish more bands had the balls to write stuff like that, things become awfully one sided, it shows range if anything, you have like I Wanna Hold Your Hand and then like...Yer Blues and all in between. Also, early on, I love the thing they had, this thing that set them apart from most rock n roll bands where they were like...music afficianados, you could get songs like A Taste of Honey and like, almost like that Tin Pan Alley tunesmith thing where they were so prodigious and such expert craftsmen that you could give them 3 chords and a subject matter and 40 mins and they'll knock out a track thats high in melody and just a perfect catchy pop track. Harry Nilsson had a bit of that too but there was only one of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Competition Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) I would say people who think the Beatles are overrated are just completely oblivious to any musical history. I get them not being someone's favorite band but to say they are overrated is just silly. They are simply the greatest and most influential band there ever was or ever will be. You'd have almost none of the bands from the last 45 years without them including Sabbath, Soundgarden, KISS, Aerosmith, etc... They evolved more in 7 years than any other band has done in 30. Edited March 27, 2019 by Stiff Competition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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