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4 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I said it was "on the table" I didn't say it's happening. 

I also DO believe that there IS dissention between Kennedy and the others. I can choose to believe it, just like you can choose not to. See how that works? 

Before someone says "well I only believe official sources." Well official sources only report rumors after they come true. Not before, not "official" sources anyways. 

I can name a few films recently that had all sorts of "behind the scenes rumors" during production, yet were NEVER reported. But after it was all said and done... Come to find out most of the rumors were true.

Huh? Places like Variety have reported plenty of things before they were officially announced. The casting of most of the sequel trilogy actors (Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, etc.), the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie, the casting of Robert Pattinson as the new Batman... all of those things were reported by Variety, Deadline, etc. before they were officially announced. And those were all rumors that came from nowhere else, as a matter of fact. All straight from Variety’s mouth. Variety is a legit scoop source. Mike Zeroh isnt. The former has predicted almost everything right, whereas the latter has predicted nothing right.

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22 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Huh? Places like Variety have reported plenty of things before they were officially announced. The casting of most of the sequel trilogy actors (Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, etc.), the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie, the casting of Robert Pattinson as the new Batman... all of those things were reported by Variety, Deadline, etc. before they were officially announced. And those were all rumors that came from nowhere else, as a matter of fact. All straight from Variety’s mouth. Variety is a legit scoop source. Mike Zeroh isnt. The former has predicted almost everything right, whereas the latter has predicted nothing right.

I don't dispute that, it's pretty much truth if Variety is reporting it. But Variety doesn't report on all rumors, even ones that were true. Not until after the fact, that is. 

I could tell you all the 2016 Ghostbusters rumors that I heard, of which 90% or more were true. Variety didn't report most of them either, and the things they did report, were after the film had been released and "bombed." I know a few other things about some MCU related info and what not as well. But my overall point still stands. So while Variety is a reliable source, they choose not to report on certain rumors that do come true. Or they do report on them, after the fact. When they do report them though, the "rumors" basically become common knowledge. 

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52 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

No, but the proof is in the pudding. Jon, Dave and George Lucas have been the creative force behind the Star Wars revival. Yes Kennedy is still an executive producer, but that's a title that is given away ALL the time in films. Some producers are VERY hands on, some do nothing except write a check. It's a very broad term. 

During the ENTIRE sequel trilogy she was completely hands on, in EVERY aspect. Now she has had literally NOTHING to do with the success of The Mandalorian. Anyone with two eyes can see that there are two different Star Wars camps at the moment. You have Kennedy on one side (I believe she is doing the Knights of the high republic show), which again she is COMPLETELY hands on in this project. On the other side you have Dave, Jon and a quiet Lucas, and they are doing all the projects people are excited about (Mandalorian, book of Bobba Fett, Ashoka series). 

Look at the MCU, Kevin Feigie does it ALL. He has first and last say. He finds a crew to make a particular film, yes. But he is still the main creative force behind everything they do. Star Wars, on the other hand has this two different team approach going on. Its hard not to miss the two drasticly different styles here. 

So no, you have no source to back up what is nothing more than your own assumption. 

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Here is an example...

Does anyone here believe that Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield are NOT in the new Spiderman film. It has not been confirmed by ANYONE at this point, actually it's been stated by Tom Holland that they are NOT in the film. So obviously Variety has NOT yet reported that they are in the film. 

Yet we DO know that Alfred Molina and Jamie Foxx are in the film, both from the different "eras." We also know that the MCU is going into multiverse territory, etc. 

So who do you believe? The rumors or what's being reported?

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6 minutes ago, downzy said:

So no, you have no source to back up what is nothing more than your own assumption. 

By that logic, it's all hearsay unless you personally witnessed it. If you don't personally witness something how do you know it's true? Wouldn't stand up in the court of law.

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5 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Here is an example...

Does anyone here believe that Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield are NOT in the new Spiderman film. It has not been confirmed by ANYONE at this point, actually it's been stated by Tom Holland that they are NOT in the film. So obviously Variety has NOT yet reported that they are in the film. 

Yet we DO know that Alfred Molina and Jamie Foxx are in the film, both from the different "eras." We also know that the MCU is going into multiverse territory, etc. 

So who do you believe? The rumors or what's being reported?

JK Simmons was cast to play a new version of J Jonah Jamenson, so for all we know, Alfred Molina and Jamie Fox are just playing new versions of their characters too. That being said, I agree that there’s too much evidence out there at this point that the multiverse thing is probably happening, cause Feige himself confirmed that WandaVision, Spidey 3, and Doctor Strange 2 are all connected, and Doctor Strange 2 just so happens to be called “Multiverse of Madness.” But that’s still not the same thing as Mike Zeroh spewing his bullshit.

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1 minute ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

By that logic, it's all hearsay unless you personally witnessed it. If you don't personally witness something how do you know it's true? Wouldn't stand up in the court of law.

No. If what you said was true, there would be a statement by Disney or at least reports from reputable news outlets.

Since there’s nothing like that, I would side with fact versus conjecture. 

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Just now, rocknroll41 said:

JK Simmons was cast to play a new version of J Jonah Jamenson, so for all we know, Alfred Molina and Jamie Fox are just playing new versions of their characters too. That being said, I agree that there’s too much evidence out there at this point that the multiverse thing is probably happening, cause Feige himself confirmed that WandaVision, Spidey 3, and Doctor Strange 2 are all connected, and Doctor Strange 2 just so happens to be called “Multiverse of Madness.” But that’s still not the same thing as Mike Zeroh spewing his bullshit.

But there are plenty of MCU channels stating similar rumors, that's my point. Just because you don't like a rumor, doesn't mean it isn't at least being discussed (Star Wars specifically). That's all I'm saying.

Are the rumors true? Time will tell.

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1 minute ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

But there are plenty of MCU channels stating similar rumors, that's my point. Just because you don't like a rumor, doesn't mean it isn't at least being discussed (Star Wars specifically). That's all I'm saying.

Are the rumors true? Time will tell.

Have those mcu channels gotten things right in the past? Or do all their predictions turn out to be false like Mike Zeroh’s? That’s the difference...

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Just now, downzy said:

No. If what you said was true, there would be a statement by Disney or at least reports from reputable news outlets.

Since there’s nothing like that, I would side with fact versus conjecture. 

Well if Disney themselves states it, then it's not really rumors anymore is it? I'm just saying that it doesn't matter who tells you anything, if you didn't personally witness it, it called hearsay in court. Which means your thoughts don't matter, essentially. 

1 minute ago, rocknroll41 said:

Have those mcu channels gotten things right in the past? Or do all their predictions turn out to be false like Mike Zeroh’s? That’s the difference...

The one thing they all say is "this is a rumor and should be taken with a grain of salt." I believe I've heard Mike Zerho say that as well. 

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Ok guys, 

This topic has gone way OFF the rails. This is one of the reasons why I stopped watching Star Wars to begin with, everything has gotten to divisive. 

I have Wandavision to watch. That franchise (while not perfect), at least has a more united fan base. So the rumors, when being discussed, doesnt cause such... Anger. Good day, and I'm happy Star Wars is at least on the upswing. I just hope they can keep it up.

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I think a total retcon would be a disaster. The movies happened, they came out. They had the original cast (a few of which have passed since TFA was released), John Williams returned, and they made billions. Even if they didn't live up to the hype, I would rather have the original cast and get to see them in action then some weird retcon thing. 

I would definitely watch a "directors cut/extended" version of TRoS since I think they could improve the film with some extra  scenes 

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Just now, ZoSoRose said:

I think a total retcon would be a disaster. The movies happened, they came out. They had the original cast (a few of which have passed since TFA was released), John Williams returned, and they made billions. Even if they didn't live up to the hype, I would rather have the original cast and get to see them in action then some weird retcon thing. 

I would definitely watch a "directors cut/extended" version of TRoS since I think they could improve the film with some extra  scenes 

I doubt a total retcon would happen. I could see a different take though. Maybe Luke has been hiding Baby Grogu all along, even from Rey. Something like that. Giving Luke more of a purpose.

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17 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Well if Disney themselves states it, then it's not really rumors anymore is it? I'm just saying that it doesn't matter who tells you anything, if you didn't personally witness it, it called hearsay in court. Which means your thoughts don't matter, essentially. 

You stated that Kennedy was stripped of creative control as if it was a fact. But that’s not true. It’s just your opinion based on your own observations that are debatable at best and flat out wrong at worst. 

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It's fun to watch those speculation videos, but I don't expect them to be right. I look at them like "GN'R insiders".....every so often, they guess something right and they get to milk it for a really long time. Then when they're wrong (most of the time) they just ignore it or say "plans changed". 

I put zero stock into the Disney park characters changing over The Mandalorian. They'd be stupid not to do that seeing as that part of the SW universe is so hot right now. Not only does that not mean Kennedy is out, she's probably the one that gave the direction lol

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14 minutes ago, downzy said:

You stated that Kennedy was stripped of creative control as if it was a fact. But that’s not true. It’s just your opinion based on your own observations that are debatable at best and flat out wrong at worst. 

I never said it was a fact. But The Mandalorian IS the first Star Wars movie/show to be released that she didn't have any say in creativily. Add with the steady decline in interest that the sequels had (which she DID have creative control over, as well as the spinoff films). 

One of two things happened. One, she got smart and decided that another creative force was needed.

Or two, her boss told her that another creative force was needed. 

Pick the one that makes you happy.

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I personally don't see what changing the park's ambiance would do. To 99% of people there they see the Millennium Falcon, X Wings, A Wings, etc with the characters roaming around. They aren't going to think, "it's a T-70 X Wing instead of a T-65, rubbish"

 

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5 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I never said it was a fact. But The Mandalorian IS the first Star Wars movie/show to be released that she didn't have any say in creativily. Add with the steady decline in interest that the sequels had (which she DID have creative control over, as well as the spinoff films). 

One of two things happened. One, she got smart and decided that another creative force was needed.

Or two, her boss told her that another creative force was needed. 

Pick the one that makes you happy.

You never said it was fact? Huh? In case you forgot, buddy, this was you a few posts ago:

”Kathleen Kennedy WAS stripped of complete creative control by Disney's CEO, so you can't tell me she hasn't been in hotwater.”

also, as I’ve said before, all the behind the scenes docs show she was on set full time for both the sequels AND Mando and she is credited as just a producer on both. She doesn’t have writing or directing credits on anything.

TFA - Directed by JJ Abrams. Written by JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and Michael Ardnt.

TLJ - Written and directed by Rian Johnson.

TRoS - Directed by JJ Abrams. Written by JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio.

Mando - Written by Jon Faverau and (sometimes) Dave Filoni and directed by various people (all of whom are not Kennedy).

So how exactly did she have more creative input in the sequels than she did on Mando?

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I will also add that SW is back to being in "good standing" among people with Mando. I thought SW's time as a pop culture phenomenon among casuals and die hards alike was done, but the Mandalorian proved me wrong. 

Despite me liking the ST for the most part (despite a mess of a finale), I will not deny that Disney missed the mark and alienated people. Mandalorian has turned it around, and Disney knows that. They showed a ton of confidence with all of those SW show and movie announcements last month.

Retconing 3 films that grossed over a billion each and were seen by millions won't happen. The Mandalorian even sets up aspects of the Sequels. They can easily build up the in-between time and eventually have baby Yoda part with Luke to account for his absence and keep him alive. There's a 20+ year gap, so there's plenty of time in between to play with.

Also I get why people didn't agree with Luke's story in the sequels, but he got the focus in the climax in TLJ, saved the day, and had a peaceful and relatively happy sendoff in IX. No need for messy retcons imo. Now we got the fan service lightsaber moment on top of all that, what would even be the point?

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1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

I will also add that SW is back to being in "good standing" among people with Mando. I thought SW's time as a pop culture phenomenon among casuals and die hards alike was done, but the Mandalorian proved me wrong. 

Despite me liking the ST for the most part (despite a mess of a finale), I will not deny that Disney missed the mark and alienated people. Mandalorian has turned it around, and Disney knows that. They showed a ton of confidence with all of those SW show and movie announcements last month.

Retconing 3 films that grossed over a billion each and we're seen by millions won't happen. The Mandalorian even sets up aspects of the Sequels. They can easily build up the in-between time and eventually have baby Yoda part with Luke to account for his absence and keep him alive. There's a 20+ year gap, so there's plenty of time in between to play with.

Also I get why people didn't agree with Luke's story in the sequels, but he got the focus in the climax in TLJ, saved the day, and had a peaceful and relatively happy sendoff in IX. No need for messy retcons imo. Now we got the fan service lightsaber moment on top of all that, what would even be the point?

Mando has already started to alienate casual people with all the EU stuff it’s been throwing in there and the fact that Grogu has basically been written out of the show now, even tho he was the main attaction. I have a feeling people will start to turn on the show come season 3.

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8 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Mando has already started to alienate casual people with all the EU stuff it’s been throwing in there and the fact that Grogu has basically been written out of the show now, even tho he was the main attaction. I have a feeling people will start to turn on the show come season 3.

I've just heard people gush about the past season, seems like it was a big hit. And baby yoda will definitely return, and it'll probably be something that gets talked about when he does

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Just now, ZoSoRose said:

I've just heard people gush about the past season, seems like it was a big hit. And baby yoda will definitely return, and it'll probably be something that gets talked about when he does

I’ve heard the opposite among all the casuals I know. Then again, all my friends are cynics lol.

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