Popular Post Sosso Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 Hello Duff, Raz Cue here. How’s it going, buddy? Long time! First let me say, your fans have been very kind and supportive of my book. For that, I am forever thankful. It was fun while it lasted. Never the less, I feel compelled to ask you a few questions. Remember, not too long ago, when you said this? “I’m sure stuff was going on, Harvey Weinstein stuff and all that, but we hated that! If we saw that stuff going on around us, we didn’t allow it to happen around us. We were still good dudes,” he says. “None of our friends said, ‘Grab her by the p****.’ You know what I mean? Who would say something like that? And I don’t mean to be political against the dude who said that; it’s just an idiotic, stupid thing to say, for any man. And that’s the way I’ve always thought. So ’80s, or now — I could’ve written ‘Last September’ in the ’80s.” C’mon man, seriously? You can’t utter such absurdities and expect to go unchallenged. The hypocrisy coming from someone that is a member in good standing of your cesspool of an industry means I am compelled to call “radishes” on this one. You had a heroin dealer in your band. Still consider that the profession of a “good dude?” Remember that song your band did, about killing one’s girlfriend to shut her up? According to the lyrics, we were told to “take it for what it is.” A joke. Is it okay to make light of domestic abuse, but not to poke fun at a certain type of women who has so little self-respect that she’ll let a famous rich dude do whatever he wants? You ever meet any women who fit that description? More than one? A thousand? What about all the credible allegations of abuse - mental, physical and sexual - leveled against your singer, by several women in his life? Are you familiar with the #littlemichellelives thing going around? We all knew Michelle was fifteen. Hell, she barely looked her age. Forcible or statutory, you still got a rape. We can all agree that there are different, conflicting, versions of what transpired in December 1985. But every version has a fifteen-year-old girl getting tossed naked from your band’s rehearsal studio into a filthy alley, where she was left shaking, sobbing and wailing from the utter brutality inflicted by your singer, Axl Rose. Does a “good dude” treat another human being like this? Do the other “good dudes” help hide the perpetrator of crimes against a child, then aid in a coverup so that everyone’s dreams of becoming rock stars won’t get smashed like windshields in a riot? How would your life have changed if your world class singer was thrown in to the pokey, before GNR signed a recording contract? Do you wish the victim would just shut up and go away, so as to not interrupt your virtue signaling? Does it annoy you that she was scarred for life? Do you feel pestered by her seeking some sort of acknowledgment, apology, or even gratitude for “taking one for the team” so that you guys could live your dreams? I know, what a little bitch. Right? Personally, I am sick and tired of being preached to about acceptable morals and virtue from the narcissistic, privileged and dimwitted members of the entertainment industry who have celebrated, amplified and cheered our country’s moral, ethical and spiritual decay. I miss being able to freely and openly joke around about anything my twisted brain finds amusing. Sadly, our culture has been hijacked by arbiters of outrage. The perpetually offended paragons of virtue incessantly shaming whoever does not conform to "politically correct" do’s and don’ts is not a healthy construct. If laughter is the best medicine, then why are we cutting off the supply? Donald Trump cracks me up almost every day. He is without a doubt the most punk rock, anti-establishment president in our great nation’s history? We “The Deplorables” knowingly and eagerly elected an outsider and disrupter to deliver a magnitude 8.0 shakeup to the corrupt, inefficient and power mad “Swamp.” Where we go one, we go all. MAGA! Right on, take care, and tell Axl I said “Hey.” https://www.razcue.com/single-post/2019/06/29/An-open-letter-to-Duff-McKagan 8 2 1 8 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Wow, hot take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicDwolfwood Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Ouch. Now this is how you call someone out on their BS 31 minutes ago, Sosso said: Are you familiar with the #littlemichellelives thing going around? We all knew Michelle was fifteen. Hell, she barely looked her age. Forcible or statutory, you still got a rape. We can all agree that there are different, conflicting, versions of what transpired in December 1985. But every version has a fifteen-year-old girl getting tossed naked from your band’s rehearsal studio into a filthy alley, where she was left shaking, sobbing and wailing from the utter brutality inflicted by your singer, Axl Rose. Does a “good dude” treat another human being like this? Do the other “good dudes” help hide the perpetrator of crimes against a child, then aid in a coverup so that everyone’s dreams of becoming rock stars won’t get smashed like windshields in a riot? How would your life have changed if your world class singer was thrown in to the pokey, before GNR signed a recording contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post donny Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 so is he gonna leak the full version of Jackie Chan or not ? 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I was actually reading an article about Axl's domestic abuse stuff earlier today and it got me thinking. I wasn't familiar with this story about Michelle until now and I am very interested in hearing more details about it. These situations sound horrific and paint Axl as a real monster. I know Raz isn't relevant in the slightest, and this letter is so clearly politically motivated, but if this letter hits the mainstream then this could be really bad for Axl. This stuff would be career-ending for most other artists. I only hope that Axl really has changed and is no longer like this to people. We know him as a very intelligent and sensitive man, but it is certain that his childhood environment did severe damage to him. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, History2010 said: I was actually reading an article about Axl's domestic abuse stuff earlier today and it got me thinking. I wasn't familiar with this story about Michelle until now and I am very interested in hearing more details about it. These situations sound horrific and paint Axl as a real monster. I know Raz isn't relevant in the slightest, and this letter is so clearly politically motivated, but if this letter hits the mainstream then this could be really bad for Axl. This stuff would be career-ending for most other artists. I only hope that Axl really has changed and is no longer like this to people. We know him as a very intelligent and sensitive man, but it is certain that his childhood environment did severe damage to him. Sigh. It's common knowledge Axl was accused of rape. Duff and Slash both mentioned it in theor books too. I'm sure many things happened that were not okay, with GNR and with all the other bands at the time. It was a different time though, and I don't think there are many rockstars out there who have nothing to fear, so to speak. If this turns out bad for Axl, we can just as well burn every other rockstar. They all have stories like that and worse. Like Steven Tyler becoming the legal guardian of his girlfriend. It's common knowledge and no one really seems to care. Having sex with an underage girl seemed to have been normal in the 70s and 80s. I'm sure most of them have cleaned up their act long since then though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sydney Fan Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Duff really is a self righteous moron to have down played the AFD lyrics and alot of the history of the band in this current climate with interviews he has been doing. It was only going to be a matter of time until a member of the old gang, and maybe someone with an axe to grind has let out a can of worms. Edited July 1, 2019 by Sydney Fan 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flake Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 What an idiot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Lio said: It's common knowledge Axl was accused of rape. Duff and Slash both mentioned it in theor books too. I'm sure many things happened that were not okay, with GNR and with all the other bands at the time. It was a different time though, and I don't think there are many rockstars out there who have nothing to fear, so to speak. If this turns out bad for Axl, we can just as well burn every other rockstar. They all have stories like that and worse. Like Steven Tyler becoming the legal guardian of his girlfriend. It's common knowledge and no one really seems to care. Having sex with an underage girl seemed to have been normal in the 70s and 80s. I'm sure most of them have cleaned up their act long since then though. You can also add jimmy page and lori the 14 year old fan he was "dating" in the 70s. The domestic and emotional abuse between ike and tina turner, chuck berry and his sexual predatory. The music and movie industry has alot of dark history in order for a deal to get done and to keep the palms greased with money. Edited July 1, 2019 by Sydney Fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lio said: It's common knowledge Axl was accused of rape. Duff and Slash both mentioned it in theor books too. I'm sure many things happened that were not okay, with GNR and with all the other bands at the time. It was a different time though, and I don't think there are many rockstars out there who have nothing to fear, so to speak. If this turns out bad for Axl, we can just as well burn every other rockstar. They all have stories like that and worse. Like Steven Tyler becoming the legal guardian of his girlfriend. It's common knowledge and no one really seems to care. Having sex with an underage girl seemed to have been normal in the 70s and 80s. I'm sure most of them have cleaned up their act long since then though. It may be common knowledge to us, but I guarantee that 95% of the general public has no idea about it or the domestic abuse stuff and would be horrified to hear about it. The underage stuff may have been more common back then but it certainly isn't looked at as normal. We are seeing people like Roman Polanski's career still suffer (with good reason) because raping an underage girl back in the late 70s, so it isn't like people will just say 'it was a different time' and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 It's interesting that Raz Cue says this now about the 1985 incident. I've read his book (which was released not long ago), and he gives a different version of that there: About a week after the Roxy gig, at a more intimate gathering, some psycho chick who had stalked Axl for more than a year showed up. She usually sported knee-high suede moccasins, the type chicks with hairy pits love, so was often referred to as “That crazy bitch wearing the Dio boots.” Soon after Dio Boots wandered down the alley in search of Axl – who hadn’t been there all day – she was told to get lost. Eventually, someone led her by an elbow out to the street. But twenty minutes later, she returned with cops, claiming Axl had raped her. The cops made everyone come out of the studio, where Dio Boots pointed at Dizzy Reed from The Wild and said, “That’s Axl. He raped me.” As Dizzy got hauled off, people yelled at the cops, “That’s not Axl!” and, “That chick’s crazy!” [...] After three months at Gardner Studio, the place was getting hotter than a super model singing torch songs in a kiln. With rent due, a growing number of the humped-dumped begging for more, plus a few too many psycho stalkers, the time felt right to get the fuck out of studio B. The guys scattered about Hollywood, or, as a last resort, hid away at Vicky’s apartment. [Raz Cue, The Days of Guns N' Raz's, 2017] 14 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Blackstar said: It's interesting that Raz Cue says this now about the 1985 incident. I've read his book (which was released not long ago), and he gives a different version of that there: About a week after the Roxy gig, at a more intimate gathering, some psycho chick who had stalked Axl for more than a year showed up. She usually sported knee-high suede moccasins, the type chicks with hairy pits love, so was often referred to as “That crazy bitch wearing the Dio boots.” Soon after Dio Boots wandered down the alley in search of Axl – who hadn’t been there all day – she was told to get lost. Eventually, someone led her by an elbow out to the street. But twenty minutes later, she returned with cops, claiming Axl had raped her. The cops made everyone come out of the studio, where Dio Boots pointed at Dizzy Reed from The Wild and said, “That’s Axl. He raped me.” As Dizzy got hauled off, people yelled at the cops, “That’s not Axl!” and, “That chick’s crazy!” [...] After three months at Gardner Studio, the place was getting hotter than a super model singing torch songs in a kiln. With rent due, a growing number of the humped-dumped begging for more, plus a few too many psycho stalkers, the time felt right to get the fuck out of studio B. The guys scattered about Hollywood, or, as a last resort, hid away at Vicky’s apartment. [Raz Cue, The Days of Guns N' Raz's, 2017] That's funny. Someone should confront him with that wherever he has posted that open letter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 This is what was said back in the day (there was a charge against Slash, too): Axl: Being bad is a rush. One time this hippie chick wandered into our studio and she was fucking with our equipment, trying to break stuff. We wouldn’t call the cops – they’d turn the situation around and hassle us for picking on this poor girl. So eventually she wound up running down Sunset naked, all dingy, doesn’t even know her name. The firemen and the cops all came down on us, and I’m sitting in there hiding behind an amplifier. They got six or seven people lined up in there, and she identifies someone else as me. (He went to court and got off, by the way.) While the cops are there harassing everybody, asking questions, I’m with this girl behind the amp, going at it, and that was a rush! I got away with it! It was really exciting! [L.A. Weekly, June 27, 1986]. Axl: Everyone was trying to hide it from the record company. 'Rape charge? What rape charge?' The charges were dropped eventually, but for a while we had to go into hiding. We had undercover cops and the vice squad looking for us. They were talking a mandatory five years. It kind of settled my hormones for a while [Los Angeles Times, 1986.06.07]. Slash: That was no big deal. What happened is Axl and me were with these two girls, and they got in a sexual situation and they decided to file rape charges. Me and Axl had to borrow suits one day to go down to the police station and turn ourselves in over this crap – and when it came down to the wire, they dropped the charges because it was all bogus. We didn’t fucking do anything to them [Spin, May 1988]. Izzy: It turned out that our drummer had fucked one of their mothers, so it was a complicated story [Spin, May 1988]. Vicky Hamilton: There was a girl over there [at the Gardner place] one night, and she wouldn't leave Axl alone and he got pissed, so he ripped off her clothes, threw her out and locked the door. So she went to the cops and said he raped her [Musician, December 1988]. [In her book she says that was what Slash had told her] Slash: Well, there were these girls who wanted to get laid, that were very severely frustrated because they weren't getting any. We gave one of them to a bunch of friends of ours, the other I took up to the bungalow to meet Axl one night, but I said, 'I'm drunk, I'll let Axl fuck you and I'll watch; then her boyfriend walked in, and they claimed it was rape. Me and Axl had to hide out from the cops for weeks and shit, and then we had to go to all these lawyers and go 'what the fuck do we do?' But it was a big mistake, because in reality it wasn't true, so when it came down to the wire and were down at the police station' getting questioned and I was getting my arms fucking checked for tracks and getting completely humiliated by the cops, when it came down to the end of it, when they had to testify and make something up, they didn't have the balls for it [Metal Hammer, February 1990] http://www.a-4-d.com/t3967-the-history-of-guns-n-roses-in-their-own-words#14823 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 You beat me to it, @Blackstar Best case scenario: Consensual sex, Axl didn't know she was underage (or she wasn't underage). She provoked Axl (and others) to throw her out without her clothes. Worst case scenario: Rape. Underage. Beaten and thrown out without her clothes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acor Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: You beat me to it, @Blackstar Best case scenario: Consensual sex, Axl didn't know she was underage (or she wasn't underage). She provoked Axl (and others) to throw her out without her clothes. Worst case scenario: Rape. Underage. Beaten and thrown out without her clothes. Wasn't she 15 back then??? 15 is legal in many places. Im pretty sure there wasn't any rape involved... They may not be brightest beings, but no way they would be that stupid. Edited July 1, 2019 by acor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, acor said: Wasn't she 15 back then??? 15 is legal in many places. Im pretty sure there wasn't any rape involved... They may not be brightest beings, but no way they would be that stupid. I'm no legal expert but I highly doubt 15 was "legal" in California in the 80s. And surely someone's gonna google it and try to prove me wrong, but even if there was some legal technicality left over from the 1800s, surely adult men fucking 15 year old girls was at least "frowned upon." And people use the word "rape" automatically with statuatory, even if the girl consents it's still considered rape, since a child can't "legally" consent to sex. Also, I wouldn't be so damn sure about sticking up for these guys. You really think the GNR of 1985 wouldn't be that stupid? How many times was Axl arrested back then? Hell, even in Slash's book there's an incident with a groupie that wasn't rape but would probably be considered sexual assault. Definitely "raaaaapppee!!!" by today's standards. Edited July 1, 2019 by estrangedtwat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Lio said: It's common knowledge Axl was accused of rape. Duff and Slash both mentioned it in theor books too. I'm sure many things happened that were not okay, with GNR and with all the other bands at the time. It was a different time though, and I don't think there are many rockstars out there who have nothing to fear, so to speak. If this turns out bad for Axl, we can just as well burn every other rockstar. They all have stories like that and worse. Like Steven Tyler becoming the legal guardian of his girlfriend. It's common knowledge and no one really seems to care. Having sex with an underage girl seemed to have been normal in the 70s and 80s. I'm sure most of them have cleaned up their act long since then though. So it's OK when it's Axl, cause you like him....but it's not OK for other celebrities like Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey. Got it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soon Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 Its completely unacceptable that stories of raping a 15 year old are nothing more then cannon fodder for some guys political grandstanding. Duff crying about being ambushed by the CNN interviewer didnt do himself any favours, though. His talking point comes off as "Then this b!tch challenged me on my misogynist lyrics, can you believe she wasnt pleasant and subservient?" The fact that those attitudes and unchecked perspectives are at home in American liberalism is indeed - as this screed speaks too - one of the factors that these MAGA assholes exploit. More to the point: fuck this MAGA nitwit. To be fair though, this is the closet a MAGA has come to making a good point in the history of the world. I hope that any girls and women who were harmed in that era have found healing. *********** Could it be that the real reason that Dizzy was hired was as a thank you for being hauled in and (from what I can tell) not giving up Axl? Dizzy saved the band, therefore he gets in on it? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, estrangedtwat said: So it's OK when it's Axl, cause you like him....but it's not OK for other celebrities like Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey. Got it. No, it's not okay if he raped her. I never said it was. As I said, I'm sure pretty much all of the rock scene in those days did things that weren't okay. I was merely saying that it doesn't really seem the end of Steven Tyler's career, or Iggy Pop's, or David Bowie's, as the poster I reacted to was saying it might be the end of Axl's career. Nowhere am I saying it is okay for anyone to rape a girl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 who is raz cue? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Italian girl said: who is raz cue? The first manager of L.A. Guns and Guns N' Roses. Either way, this is old news, and if the above-posted interviews are anything to go by, Axl and Slash were already investigated and got off back then (even if they did bear some culpability). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Italian girl said: who is raz cue? Manager of early LA Guns and sort-of manager of GN'R in the band's very early days. Cue: "[...]but in reality, all I did was let them use my place for band meetings. Or, if they were short, I'd chip in a few bucks - like five - for rehearsal. I'd share my reheated leftover Naugles' French fries, or let them borrow my van, amps, cabinets, wireless microphone, or whatever they needed. Joe, Guns N' Roses' stage manager, would cart all the gear to the show, and when my van came home, so did my gear. No charge. With a vast fecal sea of inferior bands drowning Hollywood, it was my pleasure to help out an obviously above-average group. Didn't cost me nothing, and that gear would just have sat in storage with my van stuck in the driveway. Plus, I got to see G N' R well over a hundred times and you didn't" [Raz Cue, "The Days of Guns, & Raz's", 2015, p. 204]. But Cue grew frustrated with the band and their circle of friends stealing his equipment to score drugs, and kicked Axl out of his apartment [Raz Cue, "The Days of Guns, & Raz's", 2015, p. 217-218]. With that his semi-official management of Guns N' Roses ended. Then Black Randy, Vicky Hamilton, Brigitte Wright and Arnold Stiefel took over pseudo-managerial duties until finally Alan Niven was brought in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 My impression is that Raz Cue doesn't really give a shit about the abused girl (to throw someone on the street naked -which seems to be the true part of the story-is abuse) who was "scarred for life," the same girl who he calls a "psycho chick" and a "bitch" in his book. He only cares about supporting Trump. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 to me, GNR all look like a bunch of cunts these days (with the exception of Steven, who pays hard cash for his honesty and loyality to the essence of the band). trying to score cheap woke points and being cold as steel when a former friend is in hospital I don't care what anyone says: these people are as real as cardboard these days 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Blackstar said: My impression is that Raz Cue doesn't really give a shit about the abused girl (to throw someone on the street naked -which seems to be the true part of the story-is abuse) who was "scarred for life," the same girl who he calls a "psycho chick" and a "bitch" in his book. He only cares about supporting Trump. Who said it was the same girl? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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