Latx Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) https://metalwani.com/2019/06/guns-n-roses-duff-mckagan-slams-izzy-stradlin-for-not-joining-the-reunion-tour-big-rock-band-is-not-for-everybody.html Above Is Recent. June 2019 So is IZZY back to drinking, an ALCOHOLIC??? What is he implying about Strandlin? Did he fall off the wagon after 29 years? 1990 to 2019 = 29 years- a lifetime really to be a recovering drug and alcoholic. That is a long time to be straight. Throw your so -called friend under the bus. Yep. Yes, you are so HIGH UP in the world and ABOVE it all and everyone. Sooo Duff , I guess, downplays his issues of decades ago. He wrote a book about himself and left nothing out about himself during those bad years, yeah, but it was a good money making deal. Yeah, he has been clean and sober for decades. Yeah, that was a lifetime ago. yes, people change for the better. Yea, it is a good story. An example for people in that life of addictions. Yes he should be proud of himself. VERY RPOUD. Now, he seems to want to have selective memory about his old life. WAIT!!! He should totally not focus on his old life decades ago. He is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict and has been clean and sober for decades and everything else about HIS LIFE. HE SHOULD NOT DEWELL on the past of decades ago. He should claim his present life which he made ( author, professional musician, perfect husband and father, brother, friend, community example, friends with people of stellar reputations, multimillionaire ) which is more than half of the time he has been alive and be happy about it. He simply just should not try to rewrite the 1980s of his life. They were not "good guys." They did stuff. people they did stuff with were not pure and innocents either. That means groupies, stripers, the then 15 year girl . Rather than have selective memory, just say that was then...they and he changed....many things he was not proud then or now of or was associated with .... No need to mention who, what, where , when. Change the subject to now. Just STFU. The hypocrisy is not a good thing. About some of you wanting to hear new music. I doubt they , the 3 members of GnR and the only 3 members, do this. Music does not sell like it used to. No radio play. Older artists in age and who have been around, yesteryear, do not get airplay. Rock radio is classic rock. To put time into that of making a cd to sell Spotify, iTunes... not wroth their time, I think to take times from their lives to do that. . The songs cannot be Rocket Queen or cd like AFD, UYIs which many, most of their know , knew them for and what they play in concert. They are getting a record breaking tour several times around the world grossing half a billion dollars by the time the tour ends. A new cd, why bother. It cannot be like Velvet Revolver either and that was a long time ago. These guys are old now. Different lifestyle. You, whoever you are, cannot do at mid to late 50's what you did in your early to mid 20's, LOL!! I get what Duff can mean in his downplaying of that time in their lives that LIFE CHANGES! I TOALLTY GET THAT!!!!!! Selective memory , no. Life changes , yes! Edited July 3, 2019 by Latx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Latx said: https://metalwani.com/2019/06/guns-n-roses-duff-mckagan-slams-izzy-stradlin-for-not-joining-the-reunion-tour-big-rock-band-is-not-for-everybody.html Above Is Recent. June 2019 So is IZZY back to drinking, an ALCOHOLIC??? What is he implying about Strandlin? Did he fall off the wagon after 29 years? 1990 to 2019 = 29 years- a lifetime really to be a recovering drug and alcoholic. That is a long time to be straight. Throw your so -called friend under the bus. Yep. Yes, you are so HIGH UP in the world and ABOVE it all and everyone. That's not at all what he says. He just says it didn't work out for whatever reason. Nowhere is he implying Izzy's back to drinking. I listened to (that part of) the interview. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The phrasing is odd, but I dont think he is suggesting Iz is drinking. It does almost seem that he's saying that a very sober approach is required to deal with Axl. Like the use of 'sober tools' is required. And that in his estimation, Izzy wasnt applying those tools. *"tools" as in things one learns at rehab and programs to avoid the wiring of their brain and behaviours that lead to and resulted from use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latx Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Lio said: That's not at all what he says. He just says it didn't work out for whatever reason. Nowhere is he implying Izzy's back to drinking. I listened to (that part of) the interview. 1 hour ago, soon said: The phrasing is odd, but I dont think he is suggesting Iz is drinking. It does almost seem that he's saying that a very sober approach is required to deal with Axl. Like the use of 'sober tools' is required. And that in his estimation, Izzy wasnt applying those tools. *"tools" as in things one learns at rehab and programs to avoid the wiring of their brain and behaviours that lead to and resulted from use. Ok then. I apologize. Thnks for posting back and correcting me and with a negative attack. :-) The phrasing is odd. He said something , printed there , inaudible it said. It could seem like he was implying something. I did not hear the interview. Hearing and seeing in print, like in posts on a mb or email to people, things come out differently that hearing the words. "Tools." I do not know Recovering Rehab Lingo. Ok, , tools make sense. Good to hear Strandlin is good. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Latx said: Ok then. I apologize. Thnks for posting back and correcting me and with a negative attack. :-) The phrasing is odd. He said something , printed there , inaudible it said. It could seem like he was implying something. I did not hear the interview. Hearing and seeing in print, like in posts on a mb or email to people, things come out differently that hearing the words. "Tools." I do not know Recovering Rehab Lingo. Ok, , tools make sense. Good to hear Strandlin is good. . It's here if you want to listen to it, around 33'30 in https://player.fm/series/rolling-stone-music-now-170040/duff-mckagan-the-rolling-stone-interview I think what he means is basically how Axl said it as well. Izzy's Izzy and one day he's there, the next he's gone. The interviewer seemed to suggest that a bit too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Draguns said: What do you mean by: "watch out what they are telling you in the previous post ^. Some major details are missing from that story." I was never involved with this woman in an intimate way if that's what you mean. We came close but things never progressed since I knew that she had mental health issues and wasn't taking care of it. Someone brought up the story of a teenager boy in Argentina who allegedly committed suicide after he was acussed of sexually abusing a teenager girl who was his friend. The way they have presented this story is inaccurate because some major details are missing. That's what I meant. I don't want to derail the thread. If you're interested I can PM you to explain what happened. 7 hours ago, Draguns said: If you think that you can't get away with false rape accusations or false accusations then you are sadly mistaken. It has occurred. History has proven this in the U.S. In this situation, she got away with this and some other things that she did due to her father. How would you know that she actually got away with it? How can you assure that she was not abused for real? Are you either one of the parts? Yeah, legal systems are flawed but if you're innocent you fight for it. You get the best lawyer you can afford and you fight for your truth. False rape accusations and false DV acussations can be proven. People who have an expertise in the field can somewhat easily figure out a false accusation. The alleged victim would have to pass some psychological tests and from there, it can be determined if they are lying or not, if they have a tendency to make up stories, if they are indeed subject of DV. There's tons of tools, really. 8 hours ago, Draguns said: Additionally, if I was ever falsely accused then I would just want to clear my name and not pursue it any further. A false accusation that has been proven to be false can still hurt you. Why would you want to stop there? In my country, the law penalizes people who make false accusations. If I was ever falsely accused of anything, I'd work my ass off to have that person punished and pursue a compensation for damages. 8 hours ago, Draguns said: I wish that the women who are sexually assaulted or raped get justice in the court system. I hope more women come out when it happens. Ditto with men that get sexually assaulted. I also hope that women who are sexually harassed get justice. With that that being said, you can't just say a few cases of false accusations. By doing that, you are undermining the issue. I say it because I do not think that there are as many false accusations as you say there are. And with this I'm not denying the importance of it, when it happens, it is really bad for the victim. But they are two different issues and if you're going to link it to the real sexual abuse, then you are undermining the fact that the percentage of women and children who are actually abused surpasses the percentage of men (or people in general) being subject of a false accusation. Like I said, false accusations can be proven and they can be proven quicker than real abuse. If someone gets away with it, then we are talking about flaws in the system, corruption, or ineffective judicial officers. Nonetheless, real victims of sexual abuse oftenly stumble upon the same flaws in the system, which can make an abuser get away with their abuse. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latx Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Thanks @Lio The other subject ... #MeToo# was bullshyte. In season, in style, in Hollyweird. Even Moncia Lewisnsky jumped in said she was Me Tooooooo....Don't forget me tooooo. Me Too was started by a Black Amer. woman for different reason ad it was highjacked by Hollyweird as the lastest in fashion , cause du jour. Selam Hyack, who husband is a billionaire, said Weinstein sexually harassed her swhen she met with him for funding for her Frida movie. Rose McGowan highjacked this #MeToo , made it her own pr fight, her work, and wrote a book and was silent when her dear buddy, a woman, Aisa something was accused of sexually harassment by a young man. Entertainers are usually hypocritical about things unless it is awareness about an illness. Me #too was just something to soud good , woke about. Meanwhile, the whole industry knew about R.Kelly for over 20 years to 25 years and no one said a thing. LadyGaga Stephanie was all me#too and worked with R.Kelly ...ok LOL. those lil Black girls R.Kelly abused, held captive, etc. and so , no one in the mighty industry gave a shyt. Duff and his wife in their PETA wear Ink and not Mink campaign. AS if her closet is not filled with hundreds of thousands of dollars of leather, etc. materials. Duff must be wearing that pleather , huh LOL. Khole Trashdasian , Pamela Anderson did and no fur ad. All their plastic surgery was not tested on animals, ok, LOL!!! I AM NOT against women and real victims of sexually harassment, sexual abuse, and rape. It is an awful, life changing thing. Scars never heal. It is hard to prove in court. The personal effects alone of a case tried, I can imagine is very mentally, emotionally horrible. The case of the 15 yr. old, who knows who she was or how many groupies, and I do not mean that in derogatory way, were 15. I know the woman who put on her fb page she was that girl, but we really don't know if it was her. I thought My Michelle was written about some friend of theirs. FACT is a 15 yr. girl was put out without having her clothes. That was awful, nasty to do to someone. FACT-there was a court case against Axl. He was cleared of statutory rape 30 something years ago. The other stuff the guys did, no biggie. Sexing groupies who were willing, drugs, damaging their bodies, selling drugs to drug adult, addicts( Izzy to Aerosmith), etc. Duff should lay off they were not ever really bad guys or would write or say those things. WTF songs are they playing in their shows? Edited and changed versions of RQueen, My Michelle, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueJean Baby Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 No, Michelle Young, My Michelle is a totally different person, is a friend of theirs and had absolutely nothing to do with nor is she the girl in this story. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I don't want put name one person what refered about me, but this story about a girl that accused a guy, i read it in google news with my own eyes. I now triyng find this new , but can't find now. I just want clear i don't like lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Michelle Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Hi there! Just wanted to make my presence known. I would like to clarify some things. I am the Survivor of this crime. I met Axl at the very beginning when Guns N Roses was just forming. I knew Steven and Slash when Hollywood Rose broke up. We were friends. When I met Axl it was love at first sight and we started seeing each as soon as I moved back to Hollywood a few weeks later. He was still living in an apt off Franklin. I never hung out with them without being invited first. I was with them most of the time. Slash would get off work at Centerfold magazine/ newspaper stand and come grab me from the Chinese Food place across from Fairfax High were I attended. I was not only with Axl but the band became family. I stayed at West Arkeens with Axl a lot and it was like a second home for me. The day that I went to the Gardner Studios ( closet space from Hell) I went to talk to him about losing our baby. I had hid it from everyone accept one girlfriend that went to the clinic with me. I had been told I was past twelve weeks along, no abortion for me even if I had wanted one. I was in shock and just hid it from everyone. Axl went to Indiana for a few weeks to visit family. I went out one night and ran into the rest of the band at the Troubadour and when Slash saw me he scooped me up and twirled me around, which was how he always greeted me. He asked me if I was getting fat or what? I put his hand on my stomach and said " Or What! " He asked what we were going to do? I told him that I was going to move and have my baby. I told him not to tell Axl, that I would. I had a miscarriage and lost the baby that night at The Troubadour. I was completely in shock and one of my best friends helped me. When Axl finally came home, I went over to talk to him. He came up to me and said " We need to talk. " You're pregnant. I said "I was" Then he lost his fucking mind! He started screaming at me for killing his baby! Then he started sobbing once I told him what happened. We were both crying. He told me that he had to go somewhere and he wanted me to wait. "Please don't leave, I'll be right back" I waited and when I walked out of Johnny and The Jaguars side I found Axl fucking a girl over a car in the parking lot. I couldn't believe it! He was not at all himself and I walked right up to him. "This is what you had me wait for? !? I went to get my purse and leave, by this time they were in the outhouse and the girl was puking. He saw me trying to leave and as she stumbled out of the outhouse, he yelled something at me, I walked up to the outhouse and he grabbed me and yanked me inside where he picked me up and pulled my clothes off. I started screaming and JoJo grabbed my clothes, then I really started screaming at Axl to go get my clothes! He picked me up while I screamed and hit and kicked, all the way through the parking lot. He threw me in the studio. He held me down, with his hands on my knees his knees in my arms, he shackled my ankles and called people over to me to touch me . He had never even raised his voice to me before. He egged people on and I screamed and screamed, while he screamed " Shut the Fuck Up or I'll Shit in your face!! " I just kept screaming " It's me you are doing this too!! When my screams had pissed him off enough he pulled the cuffs off of my ankles and told me I didn't deserve my clothes! He tossed me out like garbage! Johnny X was right outside the door. He looked like he was about to come in. He grabbed me a beach towel from the other studio and wrapped it around me Dizzy Reed had called my mom's boyfriend and Vince who had run The Shamrock Studios back in the day, showed up to rescue me. I swore him to secrecy for two weeks, I was afraid if he told my mom she would kill Axl with her bare hands. When the two weeks was up, he told her and I came home to an hysterical mother who had just called the cops to press charges. The band ( my family at the time) started calling to find out what was going on. When I told them what he had done to me, they freaked out. Slash was in tears, so was Steven . Duff came to the house at some point to beg my mom to drop the charges. I ended up refusing to talk to the detective again and refused to testify in court. I honestly didn't want my friends to be punished for what Axl had done. Meanwhile I'm heartbroken and stained for life. I gave them the freedom to be something. I am finally breaking my silence, because they all lied about me in books, painting me as some crazy groupie, I was never that. The other books lie about me too. Raz Cue is the only Author that did more research into what really happened. Several people told him that it was me. He has done the right thing by fixing the mistake and coming out and calling Duff out. Last September was the straw that broke the Camels Back! He says it's for a fictional 15 yr old and that he never knew anyone that could touch a young girl without her consent. He stood right in front of me and even went into this bullshit speech about kicking any guys ass that would hurt or touch a girl without consent! That is just too much! I never wanted to hurt anyone, I wanted my friends to succeed and they did. They also fucked me over and continue to do so by feeding their fans lies. It is my time to just tell my truth. You've all read about me in every book that's out there. I am not After anything but the Truth. Raz Cue did the right thing and I'm grateful for it. Grateful that some of you care. https://www.razcue.com/single-post/2019/07/02/I-was-wrong 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alfierose Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 Welcome to the forum @Little Michelle Thank you for joining and posting. Can I ask that anyone responding to Michelle and her story of events remains courteous even if they disagree with anything said. Thanks 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latx Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) To the Michelle who posted, if it is indeed , I feel bad for you. Get therapy. Posting on a mb is not a good thing reading from anonymous strangers. Lead a good life. Find faith. A faith. Heal . We have a national crisis in this country and the law does nothing really about sex trafficking . Minimal. Seek out being a counselor with non-profits, churches, etc. that help with sex trafficked girls to get them back whole, healthy. Too many young children are sexually abused. Same thing. Put time and energy helping at a Covenants House or orphanage. IIt was indeed statutory rape in your case....relations with a minor with a person over 18 with a person under 18. Move on for the rest of your life for your health and peace. A friend of mine, she never had any sexually abuse to herself, but she rallied family and friends to help support a girls home with presents of kindness of nice things like combs, soap, feminine products, etc. to girls who were literally just thrown out, born to no one. I do sympathize with those people who have nothing, no one,. Voiceless. They age out at 18 and go where? Strip? Prostitute? What? Some find themselves by the grace of luck doing ok in life. Not everyone has a Little House on the Prairie life and family. Some adults in your life did you wrong wrong back then by not looking out for you. There by the Grace of GOD, not I , as the saying goes. I make no fun of you whatever happened or to others. Just being there , conseual sex, was no place for someone under 18. I wont post again. The years for GnR , for them and others by choice and over 18, was rough, ugly back then. . Edited July 3, 2019 by Latx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minche Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I'm not going to pretend to be the judge or some such thing, but I do have a question: Why post that story here, on a Gn'r forum ? Nobody here can help you with whatever allegedly happened. Quite contrary, you may run into reactions and/or opinions that could potentially infuriate or hurt you. This is meant to be a fan site, afterall. I'm sorry, but I truly don't see the point. Hope you don't take it personal, but I, for one, do not know you so it's only normal that I'm questioning everyone involved in this story, both the band and.. well, yourself. Again, I just can't see what the ultimate goal is regarding this post or, what is it you could possibly gain from this, and from a fan based forum ? I do apologize, in advance, if my wording comes off as being harmful. That was not my intention. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Michelle Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Thank you. Healing is the goal with taking this stand. I am just trying to heal from the past and what is currently happening. After all these years, this isn't easy, it's necessary. I don't want to be lied about anymore. Duff pretending to be a Champion for this movement is so hypocritical that I honestly couldn't sit around and do nothing! Now I am starting my own protest and letting folks know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) So no other member of the band were there at the studio when this allegedly happened? ("The band ( my family at the time) started calling to find out what was going on. When I told them what he had done to me, they freaked out. Slash was in tears, so was Steven . Duff came to the house at some point to beg my mom to drop the charges") Who were the others that were allegedly there then? ("he called people over to me to touch me . He had never even raised his voice to me before. He egged people on and I screamed and screamed".) Nb. These are pretty serious allegations, and I'm fairly certain we need to say 'allegedly' here, if the post is going to remain up. Edited July 3, 2019 by allwaystired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Minche said: Nobody here can help you with whatever allegedly happened. 10 minutes ago, Minche said: Again, I just can't see what the ultimate goal is regarding this post or, what is it you could possibly gain from this, and from a fan based forum ? She's not looking for help from us. She just wants to tell her story because it is people like us, GN'R fans, who are talking about it and she's involved, so at the least, she should be given the chance to tell her side. Havent we already heard A LOT from the men involved? She clearly stated in her post that she wants to make the facts straight because she considers the story that's been published in the media and GNR books inaccurate. I don't see what's the problem with allowing her present her version. Unless you just want to listen to GN'R account of the events 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Michelle Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I just wanted to shed light on this. I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's conversation. Just wanted to explain what happened because so many folks have questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Little Michelle said: I just wanted to shed light on this. I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's conversation. Just wanted to explain what happened because so many folks have questions. Who were the other people there? What you allege is obviously very serious, and they would be witnesses to this, something which is obviously going to be very important if you plan on making this alleged incident widely known. Edited July 3, 2019 by allwaystired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minche Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, killuridols said: She's not looking for help from us. She just wants to tell her story because it is people like us, GN'R fans, who are talking about it and she's involved, so at the least, she should be given the chance to tell her side. Havent we already heard A LOT from the men involved? She clearly stated in her post that she wants to make the facts straight because she considers the story that's been published in the media and GNR books inaccurate. I don't see what's the problem with allowing her present her version. Unless you just want to listen to GN'R account of the events I've never said I had a problem with her presenting her version of the events. I merely ask why here(too), because I seriously don't see how she could gain anything from this. Pretty sure we have already read her version of the events via her twitter/facebook posts, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Michelle Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Izzy was the only member that was there that night. He past out in the loft early, he was really fucked up and sleeping. The other people in the studio were a friend of Duff's from Seattle and a couple other people, I hadn't seen. JoJo and his girlfriend were there, but I know Mary was fucked up and past out too. The screaming was loud and they were just out, out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Nb. These are pretty serious allegations, and I'm fairly certain we need to say 'allegedly' here, if the post is going to remain up. Why should someone have to add the word "alleged" to their own account of a situation? It's like me demanding that you add "but thats just my opinion" to the end of your posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, allwaystired said: So no other member of the band were there at the studio when this allegedly happened? ("The band ( my family at the time) started calling to find out what was going on. When I told them what he had done to me, they freaked out. Slash was in tears, so was Steven . Duff came to the house at some point to beg my mom to drop the charges") Who were the others that were allegedly there then? ("he called people over to me to touch me . He had never even raised his voice to me before. He egged people on and I screamed and screamed".) Nb. These are pretty serious allegations, and I'm fairly certain we need to say 'allegedly' here, if the post is going to remain up. I think it's fair enough to say allegedly and mygnrforum isn't taking a particular position on anything. However as we've been discussing it for 9 pages I think it's also okay for Michelle to put across what she has to say and people can make up their own minds as long as they don't make personal attacks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, soon said: Why should someone have to add the word "alleged" to their own account of a situation? It's like me demanding that you add "but thats just my opinion" to the end of your posts. Because legally this could be a fucking minefield. https://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/blogger-defamation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minche Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, soon said: Why should someone have to add the word "alleged" to their own account of a situation? It's like me demanding that you add "but thats just my opinion" to the end of your posts. I don't think he was referring to Michelle, but the rest of us. And he would be right, as we don't know what happened, we were not there and, at this point, you can't take any side for granted, I don't think. Not without real, tangible evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Because legally this could be a fucking minefield. https://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/blogger-defamation/ So, your legal council to a victim of a crime would be to state "that person allegedly committed a crime against me." ??? Fucking genius. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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