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The dream is dead. We’ll never hear these songs. Just call it a day guys, may as well shut down this thread while we’re at it. No point in talking about what will never be. I hate this band.

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You know how GNR could stop leaks?  Go ahead and release music that your fans will happily pay for. 

Girlfriend thinks I'm spending to much time on my phone and wants to know "who is she"  

I live in England and would leak them straight away. Rose isn't going to reach me here, northern England, close to Scotland. If he or his minions turn up at my door I'll knock them out.

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Just now, AxlRoseCDII said:

The dream is dead. We’ll never hear these songs. Just call it a day guys, may as well shut down this thread while we’re at it. No point in talking about what will never be. I hate this band.

How does it feel being names after an album that will never exist?

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Let's see here,

Scenario 1- Insane fan has stolen tracks and documents regarding Axl including damming emails and an alleged copy of a potential book. Blackmails band with a set of demands saying if they don't announce a tour in x amount of time, he will leak them

TB's Response- Let's put him on payroll!

Scenario 2- Clearly unstable and infamous individuals with a well-documented history of abuse and over obsession with Axl Rose begin doxxing people, taking down almost every video they can on YouTube, and literally try to harm people's personal lives over nothing. They are also in frequent contact with the person in scenario 1, often working together. The issue is brought up to Fernando...

TB's Response- Let's let them do what they want! They are allies to us!

Scenario 3- 20 year old demos that mostly sound completely incomplete might leak. This artist has released ONE album in almost 30 YEARS. The fans are starved for artistic output and would pay for any new album. The general public is sure to not to give a shit or even know about said leak.

TB's Response- Use intimidation tactics, cruelty, and individuals in above two scenarios to ensure this stuff doesn't get out to spite the fans. Continue to not release shit.

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All TB should ever do with these leaks is say “While we don’t condone these leaks and would have preferred that they be heard in their intended completed form, we appreciate that our fans have a thirst for new material, and we are working hard to provide that for them.” and then not sue the shit out of everyone.

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26 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

That’s a rough assessment man. Slash seems to like them and I don’t believe for a second it’s because of cash. 

Slash and Duff like getting paid. Do you think the band are all chums right now? The band Duff and Slash helped build are now run by hacks and is completely in control of the crazy person that caused immense problems with Slash and Duff back in the day. They don't want to stir the pot, why bother passing up on an easy pay day? The casual fans are happy to see the same show for $300 year after year. They can release their lame solo records to scratch their artistic itch. They want to make music, its ONE person that holds it up.

There's a reason they shut up and play whatever Chinese song Axl wants

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40 minutes ago, Grayfox said:

Well if the rumors are true and things have been silenced and nipped because of Team Brazil and other parties.. there is still technically options that could see the material leaked..

I've read this rumour on another forum. If that's where it comes from, the source is totally unreliable.

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21 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I understand the reunion was more than likely due to Axl not being able to maintain his lifestyle, while also I’m sure he was burnt out on the theaters and residencies. Axl wanted his GNR to a global force again and he has that now. But, I don’t believe TB are evil or incompetent. There probably wouldn’t be a GNR without TB.

I was actually thinking more of Slash in that post due to his then impending divorce, though Axl was definitely looking for a payday. 

I believe Axl even mentioned it was the Coachella invite that got the whole thing rolling, and it was likely because they got offered like $7 mil for each show. 

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4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

I basically think most non-USA countries would laugh their heads off if a millionaire American rockstar tried to prod them into activity about some missing demos for an album nobody cared about at the time, and few care about today. In my area I don't see a policeman if there has been a murder or a rape so I doubt they'll get their act together if some spotty nerd starts leaking ''Silk Worm #12'' on his computer. The whole thing would probably be lost in an international maze of red tape and nonsense before the person was identified, and certainly before it reached legal proceedings.

So true, finally some common-sense perspective.  LEAK LEAK LEAK LEAK 

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6 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

 

There's a reason they shut up and play whatever Chinese song Axl wants

It’s hard to forget the masterclass in shade where Slash was asked what he thought about CD and he essentially said “Yes, it is nice to hear Axl sing, sounds like music he enjoys making,” which is a great way to say nothing while saying everything.

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1 minute ago, Crazyman said:

I was actually thinking more of Slash in that post due to his then impending divorce, though Axl was definitely looking for a payday. 

I believe Axl even mentioned it was the Coachella invite that got the whole thing rolling, and it was likely because they got offered like $7 mil for each show. 

It was all of them. Slash was about to be taken to the cleaners by Perla and Axl was playing places like the "Bethlaham Sands Event Center"

Of course they reunited, both were diminishing brands. Get one more original member for authenticity (Duff is the easy choice, he loves money), screw over the other 2 and voila! Instant arena status and a year of stadium status 

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4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

I basically think most non-USA countries would laugh their heads off if a millionaire American rockstar tried to prod them into activity about some missing demos for an album nobody cared about at the time, and few care about today. In my area I don't see a policeman if there has been a murder or a rape so I doubt they'll get their act together if some spotty nerd starts leaking ''Silk Worm #12'' on his computer. The whole thing would probably be lost in an international maze of red tape and nonsense before the person was identified, and certainly before it reached legal proceedings.

Spinal Tap, circa 2019

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

It was all of them. Slash was about to be taken to the cleaners by Perla and Axl was playing places like the "Bethlaham Sands Event Center"

Of course they reunited, both were diminishing brands. Get one more original member for authenticity (Duff is the easy choice, he loves money), screw over the other 2 and voila! Instant arena status and a year of stadium status 

Exactly. They either didn't care about Steven (or figured he wouldn't be able to play the full tour/setlist) and Izzy already confirmed they didn't want to pay him a fair share. 

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Just now, TeeJay410 said:

It’s hard to forget the masterclass in shade where Slash was asked what he thought about CD and he essentially “Yes, it is nice to hear Axl sing, sounds like music he enjoys making,” which is a great way to say nothing while saying everything.

And then he goes out and butcher errr plays Sorry...........

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Just now, TeeJay410 said:

It’s hard to forget the masterclass in shade where Slash was asked what he thought about CD and he essentially “Yes, it is nice to hear Axl sing, sounds like music he enjoys making,” which is a great way to say nothing while saying everything.

Yup. I didn't care they played CD songs in 2016. I even looked forward to them in the set cause it was kind of cool. It was nice of the guys to appease Axl I thought. Then they added more.... then they added more... Its easy to see what their prominence in the set meant. I guess it was nice of Axl to throw them a bone with Slither, even though its awful with him on vocals

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6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I've read this rumour on another forum. If that's where it comes from, the source is totally unreliable.

I’ve been reading it several places. That’s why I mostly said it in a partial believing manner. It’s good to believe and doubt at the same time

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The Chinese songs got progressively worse on NITL, too. Slash doesn't give a fuck

1. Chinese Democracy- Fuck yeah! That sounds mean as hell!

2. Better- Alright! Slash actually made some cool changes! He took the time to actually write a new solo and when Axl is acceptable on it, its cool!

3. TiL- So hit and miss. A lot of these were great at the start of 2016, then Slash stopped giving a shit and just aimlessly played as fast as he could the following 2 years. Axl also tanked, but I guess we are talking about Slash here.

4. Sorry- Song itself is okay but I haven't heard a single Slash solo where he sounds like he gives a fuck. So fast with awful phrasing

5. Catcher- Same. Shred shred shred

6. TWAT- Keeps it like the album version, but sloppier

7. Prostitute- Same, whatever

8. Madagascar- Does pretty much nothing on it

Holy shit they have done 8 Chinese songs on the REUNION Tour?! I'm sure that was up to Slash and Duff!

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34 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Let's see here,

Scenario 1- Insane fan has stolen tracks and documents regarding Axl including damming emails and an alleged copy of a potential book. Blackmails band with a set of demands saying if they don't announce a tour in x amount of time, he will leak them

TB's Response- Let's put him on payroll!

Scenario 2- Clearly unstable and infamous individuals with a well-documented history of abuse and over obsession with Axl Rose begin doxxing people, taking down almost every video they can on YouTube, and literally try to harm people's personal lives over nothing. They are also in frequent contact with the person in scenario 1, often working together. The issue is brought up to Fernando...

TB's Response- Let's let them do what they want! They are allies to us!

Scenario 3- 20 year old demos that mostly sound completely incomplete might leak. This artist has released ONE album in almost 30 YEARS. The fans are starved for artistic output and would pay for any new album. The general public is sure to not to give a shit or even know about said leak.

TB's Response- Use intimidation tactics, cruelty, and individuals in above two scenarios to ensure this stuff doesn't get out to spite the fans. Continue to not release shit.

Ok. You make ALOT of good points here. I almost agree with everything you said. But seriously.... MSL isn't actually on payroll, is he??? That's absurd. And the "other one", Walker, Walter, whatever the fuck his name is..... That douchbag, harassing multiple people is ANOTHER associated now with Team Brazil?

Ok. I stand corrected. They literally hire these unstable, self-serving leeches and now, leaks are the "Enemy"??? 

No, it's untrustworthy, unimportant, insignificant bastards who are compensated for making threats, monitoring copyrighted material (let's be honest, a fucking MONKEY can do that) and treated as kings when they are merely peasants? Okkkk.... SERIOUSLY.... Fuck them.

As the great poet once sang, "We live and learn and then sometimes it's best to walk away". Well....  Not in this case....

If they want a job they clearly don't deserve, let's give them one. As in, try containing The Holy Grail now, you imbeciles. Whomever can keep 2 morons employed for the next 10 years, let's make them really earn it. 

Open the floodgates....safely, securely and discreetly. Material we aren't entitled to is NOTHING compared to the harassment and threats I've heard about. That's a serious, terrorist-type of threat there. 

Say goodnight, TB. And say hello to Team_C_2_Democeacy-Starts_Now!!

And no, I have absolutely nothing in my possession. Just the knowledge that when you threaten a person's family, and as a result, you GET A FUCKING JOB because of it, all bets are off. 

 

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Someone fill me in. I skimmed over everything. Did a new version of Going Down leak or is it still the same one that leaked in 2013. Or did something else leak Or are we all simply just discussing demo tapes and shit

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so why has Tom been storing Axls boxes of bits and bobs and and paying storage fees on them for near on 20 years ?

if Axl has made no effort to collect them in the past two decades then thats his problem. finders keepers.

 

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2 minutes ago, Grayfox said:

I’ve been reading it several places. That’s why I mostly said it in a partial believing manner. It’s good to believe and doubt at the same time

Yeah, in situations like this, where you don't know what's happening exactly and people get emotional, there are a lot of rumours and it's easier to believe them than normally. Usually a rumour starts from one place, then is reproduced elsewhere and people think that there are multiple different sources for it.

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