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34 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'll always stick by my feelings about The Blues. For the record, I think that's the only song on CD that's directly about Slash. 

 

lol. Wut? It's la song about a chick and a broken relationship. This is the first time anyone has ever suggested it's about Slash. :rofl-lol:

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All the leaks seem to be a weekend thing always on a Saturday. I'm not sure if anyone noticed but last weekend House of Blues 2001 was back on YT for a bit, weekend before was Saskatoon. I know we've had those, but it just seems odd that there being posted around the same time every weekend.

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8 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

lol. Wut? It's la song about a chick and a broken relationship. This is the first time anyone has ever suggested it's about Slash. :rofl-lol:

Wow, really? I've talked about it for years. Seems obvious to me that it's very much about Slash but you and everyone else disagrees. 

3 minutes ago, djones1225 said:

All the leaks seem to be a weekend thing always on a Saturday. I'm not sure if anyone noticed but last weekend House of Blues 2001 was back on YT for a bit, weekend before was Saskatoon. I know we've had those, but it just seems odd that there being posted around the same time every weekend.

I think people are just trying to see if they can get those videos to stick on YouTube eventually. I sure hope it works. 

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29 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Wow, really? I've talked about it for years. Seems obvious to me that it's very much about Slash but you and everyone else disagrees.

I just don't see it Russ. Any of the rock songs like Hard School or other songs on CD I can see that. But not a slow sappy song like The Blues? I don't see Axl saying "What I thought was beautiful inside of you" to Slash and the next day "Slash is a Cancer, the least we hear from him and his supporters the better" It just doesn't sound right. Ya' know?

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15 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

I just don't see it Russ. Any of the rock songs like Hard School or other songs on CD I can see that. But not a slow sappy song like The Blues? I don't see Axl saying "What I thought was beautiful inside of you" to Slash and the next day "Slash is a Cancer, the least we hear from him and his supporters the better" It just doesn't sound right. Ya' know?

It sounds absolutely right, at least to me. If you thought a person had something beautiful inside that died, you could certainly see them as a cancer. 

Anyways, I've derailed the thread enough already lol. Like I said, im very aware that I'm in the vast minority in my thinking about the song. 

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Here are my suggestions for how the band can clean up Hardschool:

-Get rid of the four seconds of silence at the beginning.

-Replace the minute-long slow-paced intro with a simple AM-filtered measure of the verse chords (like in all the fake leaks).

-Have Slash re-do all the leads with a consistent tone/feel (and maybe add an extra lick or two throughout the song).

-Have Axl add extra lyrics during the keyboard-heavy bridge section (right after the solo and right before he sings the next chorus). That way, the overall song won’t sound as repetitive.

-Lastly, have Axl add just a few more new lyrics on top of the drum roll “build up” part at the end (right before the last vocal line).

that should do the trick!

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8 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

It sounds absolutely right, at least to me. If you thought a person had something beautiful inside that died, you could certainly see them as a cancer. 

Anyways, I've derailed the thread enough already lol. Like I said, im very aware that I'm in the vast minority in my thinking about the song. 

No matter who was the inspiration for whatever song I've never personally cared that much, if I like how it sounds and can relate anyway to the message in the song it is all that matters to me.

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53 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Well that would make the song incredibly creepy :lol:

It could very well be, a lot of artists have written about him.... even Cher!

Tearjerker by The Red Hot Chili Peppers sounds like it's about some girl, but it's about Cobain too.

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1 minute ago, EvanG said:

It could very well be, a lot of artists have written about him.... even Cher!

Tearjerker by The Red Hot Chili Peppers sounds like it's about some girl, but it's about Cobain too.

Isn’t the Slash’s Snakepit song Lower also about Cobain?

hell, even I wrote a song about him that’s on my latest album that I dropped two month ago (end of shameless plug).

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Just heard it 

nothing special just like CD 

copy and paste type single from pro tools 

has no riff at all - Axl uses way 2 many effects on his voice 

Outro solo has some chromatic scaling going on 

pretty cool there - No feel and no emotion 

sounds like a band breaking up 

Filler at best on a album 

 

very disappointing 

 

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3 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Isn’t the Slash’s Snakepit song Lower also about Cobain?

According to Slash, it wasn't specifically about Cobain or dedicated to him, but included him, too. He said the idea came when he heard that Savannah (the porn-star who he had been involved with for a time) had killed herself (that was about three months after Cobain), so it was kind about both and the state of someone ending up killing themselves.

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I think everyones forgetting that this a pretty rough mix that we weren't even supposed to hear in the first place... I think its pretty rad personally and glad to even be able to listen to it after all these years!

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My opinion on this song is just that, but for what it's worth😄

Verse and chorus are great, the rest is a bit forgettable. The intro does not do the rest of the song justice, and bridge/solo section is very strange. It's a weird mix of old school hard rocker, mixed with this current (at the time industrial). 

Cut the fat. keep the verse, chorus. Redo the vocal on the verse too. Let Slash get a hold of it and reshape it make a new intro etc, definitely a new solo too. The outro solo under Axls vocal is cool though!

 

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My take on the track is that in general it's pretty good. Although I do like the intro it does feel a bit out of place just starting the song like that, the first part of the solo is really place holder sounding but the rest I quite like. It does sound early to me when compared to everything else that has leaked. 

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2 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

My take on the track is that in general it's pretty good. Although I do like the intro it does feel a bit out of place just starting the song like that, the first part of the solo is really place holder sounding but the rest I quite like. It does sound early to me when compared to everything else that has leaked. 

I feel like the intro would have been a better fit on a song called "Tonto"

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The chorus is the best part of 'Hard School' and totally kicks ass, which is interesting because one of the bigger criticisms of ChiDem is that many of the songs have lots of cool parts but weak(ish) choruses. Which makes it even more confusing as to why it wasn't included on the album, being a rocker with a killer chorus. 

Agree with most that it definitely has that "work-in-progress" feel to it. I'm not crazy about the intro but they were onto something with the outro, I think with some work it could be an awesome outro, and who knows what they've done with it in the DECADES since it was recorded :)

Overall, really dig it. And ALWAYS enjoy hearing new songs from Axl. If only GNR were a band that actually released new music, I'll bet there's lots of cool stuff still locked in the vault.

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And I am also one of those who hates the fact that people inevitably say that EVERY. SINGLE. NEW. SONG. is about Slash. Prostitute is about GNR, and maybe Sorry and The Blues referred to Slash. But I will agree that these lyrics for Hard School do seem to be about him. 

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