Azifwekare Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, CernakA said: Did not Brian told Axl about Bucket ? hmm I cant remember now IIRC Freese recommended Bucket, then Brain came in through Bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 minute ago, alfierose said: That's a standard opinion for this forum. We always think they're about Slash. I think this is really, clearly about Slash though - very straightforward 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl S Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: This is the biggest takeaway. Its a good skeleton of a song 100% Definitely some unfinished/not final parts on this (the intro glaringly). But he sat on a potential gem, that even in this state smokes a few songs that made the final record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I think that this isn’t too crazy vocally where Axl could do this song live, to be honest. I would love to hear them add this to the set! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finck2006 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 You think Atlas is next? Would be perfect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I think that beyond the vocals, it's really not a sophisticated song, I can see why it was left off of CD. It's certainly not dynamic, in that there is a contrast between soft parts and hard parts. The riff to it is very linear, etc... It's great that a decade later, we got to hear this thing finally, but it's a fairly average song. I don't know that anybody expected it to be so vanilla, since they thought it was Jackie Chan, The General, some other epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanJen Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said: I think that this isn’t too crazy vocally where Axl could do this song live, to be honest. I would love to hear them add this to the set! We all know better than that. Then again if they can play Slither I suppose anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gnrfan2001 said: (Verse 1) All cautions made Every chance was given No effort spared To save what we had All in good faith I would not hesitate To extend myself And lend you a hand (Chorus) But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away Too hard school And you thought you were here to stay If that were true, it wouldn't matter anyway (Verse 2) As tempers fade And lies forgiven No God's embrace Could break what we had And in it's place A storm had lifted I would've thought you could've been more of a man (Chorus) (Solo) (Bridge) (Chorus) (Outro) Too hard school And you thought you were here to stay If that were true, it wouldn't matter anyway I made a few changes but I think this is pretty close? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Axl S said: 100% Definitely some unfinished/not final parts on this (the intro glaringly). But he sat on a potential gem, that even in this state smokes a few songs that made the final record. I think it tells you he was serious about releasing multiple records and saving songs for future releases or that they just decided to release whatever originally leaked This song obviously needs a good mix but it’s in there somewhere. Edited August 24, 2019 by guitarpatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Sounds good! Happy it finally leaked in full... but, with that being said, it does sound “incomplete” in some ways, doesn’t it? I can see why Axl kept it in the vault. slash should punch this one up tho. Has the potential to be a great lead single with a little “filling in.” Edited August 24, 2019 by rocknroll41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 This is way better than any of the rockers that actually made CD, aside from maybe Better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Korean Democracy Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 HOLY CRAP THIS SONG IS GREAT better than some songs on CD, Axl now we believe even more. Was it leaked by the guy who allegedly bought the leaks last month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Just now, Gordon Comstock said: This is way better than any of the rockers that actually made CD, aside from maybe Better. I agree. Although I wouldn't say its hit song, as is, it's a pretty solid album track. IMO it's easily better than Scraped, Riad, If the World, IRS, and Shacklers. It needs Slash's touch to improve it imo. Even with that, I dont hear a hit song, but a really solid album track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Just now, Iron MikeyJ said: I agree. Although I wouldn't say its hit song, as is, it's a pretty solid album track. IMO it's easily better than Scraped, Riad, If the World, IRS, and Shacklers. It needs Slash's touch to improve it imo. Even with that, I dont hear a hit song, but a really solid album track. I don't think it needs anything other than a proper mix. But if this is the kind of stuff that's sitting in the vault, I don't know how any GNR fan would be opposed to Slash and Duff adding their parts to 'CD leftovers'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyReed63 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Damn - this is the kind of song fans like me have been wanting to hear. Raspy, appetite-like voice. Aggressive guitars and drums. Solos that play off each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicjam Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Wooooo!!!! Wow!! So amazing to hear this song and piece of 2000 GNR!! I think it's so unreal to think about the history and where Axl was in his life when this song was recorded. Thanks to whomever released this! 😊😁 I echo the thoughts of it being incomplete, but saying that, it's a great track and Axl does an epic job!! Would have potential to be an absolutely amazing song with slash and duff! Here's hoping for Atlas soon! Edited August 24, 2019 by Sonicjam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Axl S said: 100% Definitely some unfinished/not final parts on this (the intro glaringly). But he sat on a potential gem, that even in this state smokes a few songs that made the final record. The instrumental portion between the solos and final chorus really sounds like a bridge that hasn't had lyrics written yet. 11 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: I made a few changes but I think this is pretty close? That's what I've got, too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Finck2006 Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, North Korean Democracy said: HOLY CRAP THIS SONG IS GREAT better than some songs on CD, Axl now we believe even more. Was it leaked by the guy who allegedly bought the leaks last month? Dont try to know the source just enjoy 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: I don't think it needs anything other than a proper mix. But if this is the kind of stuff that's sitting in the vault, I don't know how any GNR fan would be opposed to Slash and Duff adding their parts to 'CD leftovers'. I agree. If you put Slash and Duff on this song, it sounds like an Illusion track for sure. I hear the potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DieselDaisy Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 I cannot believe Rose just lets this stuff rot in the vault. This song has been locked in a box for about twenty years!! What does he think is going to achieve keeping stuff like this locked away? Release a boxset of it for crying out loud. You also pull the rug out from under the leakers. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: I don't think it needs anything other than a proper mix. But if this is the kind of stuff that's sitting in the vault, I don't know how any GNR fan would be opposed to Slash and Duff adding their parts to 'CD leftovers'. GN’R are renowned for how iconic the openings and climaxes of their songs are. I don’t hear a proper intro or a really interesting climax, to this one. Nor is there a good proper breakdown, which might be the strongest suit for Guns. Guns had amazing bridge sections. Basically, as people refer to it as a skeleton, what I hear is a riff and a melody over the riff. That’s the skeleton. There isn’t very much beyond that. There isn’t any timing changes or chord changes - it’s a steady, straight ahead song. Probably what it was meant to be. But...as far as the other rockers on CD go, you can find far more dynamics in songs like Better, Rhiad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) I totally get why it was left off the album, it sounds really simple compared to the average CD track. If it did take place of Riad as a hard and fast rocker, then it would have had the kitchen sink thrown at it eventually, you can even hear it starting to happen already in the outro. Edited August 24, 2019 by Azifwekare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cqleonardo Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Intro and outro are perfect, the rest is very good too. I do feel weird that after all those years listening to that less than a minute of Checkmate I can finally listen to the whole thing 1 minute ago, Azifwekare said: I totally get why it was left off the album, it sounds really simple compared to the average CD track. If it did take place of Riad as a hard and fast rocker, then it would have had the kitchen sink thrown at it eventually, you can even hear it starting to happen already in the outro. As far as we know is a demo, not the finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBrownstoner Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Great song. Do you think this leak is going to push the band to take out new material, or on the contrary, harm their intentions to take out new material (if they exist)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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