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1 hour ago, Voodoochild said:

I get that you didnt like it, but it has tons of dynamics and crescendo. 

And again, about the new intro: we don't know if that's really the very beginning. And I really think Slash's rhythm guitar there were not really all that good or even different from the demo (pay closer attention, it has several layers of guitar there and that sounded a lot like one of those).

The snippet we heard had so much groove compared to the locker leak. I loved it and look forward to hearing a studio version.

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I would have thought this went without saying, but PM'ing an admin to ask for links will also get you a 7 day suspension.... 

Out of curiosity, I searched into a body of newspapers for examples of use of "hard-school" in context other than the literal one (i.e. about school) or the obvious figurative one as in "learning in t

I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version.

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1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version.

I love the Chinese whispers as an album intro, but it should have been track 1 with track 2 being the actual self-titled song. On iTunes many moons ago, I set the song to start after all the whispering right on queue for the main riff. I wish Spotify had that feature also.

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2 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

The snippet we heard had so much groove compared to the locker leak. I loved it and look forward to hearing a studio version.

I agree. Mainly because Duff's bass is pretty much driving it. The demo had a synth riff going on that kinda sounded like Pittman's paycheck.

1 hour ago, ludurigan said:

yeah so i guess we agree to disagree then on the dynamics and crescendo issue

maybe i should rephrase what i said previously to it has none of the dynamics and the crescendo of iconic guns n roses symphony'like intros such as the ones from songs like welcome to the jungle and you could be mine. to be more accurate, it doesn\t even get close to not'that'epic but still brilliant guns n roses intros like the ones from my michelle, out ta get me, mr brownstone, sweet child o mine and so many others

Dynamics and crescendo: the song starts with just the synth and lead guitar with some drum kick. Then the rhythm guitars starts with two different riffs: one power chord, another with some pedal notes. This is where the drums keep building it with crashes, then a regular drum beat, then the drum fill. 

I don't think this is too far from classic GNR formula. It's actually closer than almost anything in CD.

Look, I'm not saying it's good. I'm only pointing out that there are some elements there to make a build up the start of Axl's verses.

11 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

i was able to listen to it now thanks to the good people of this forum

funny thing is that I didnt recognize that part as the intro, it sounds more like a piece of the verse without vocals to me

am i mistaken

 

It does sound like the instrumental part after Robin's solo. Guess you're right.

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14 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I'm only pointing out that there are some elements there to make a build up the start of Axl's verses.

oh i can agree with that, there are definitely those elements, but to me it sounds like an amateur band trying to come up with an intro with dynamics and crescendo and failing miserably at it

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It’s difficult to ascertain exactly if that’s the full ‘new’ intro but it sounds kinda cool. That said, I still prefer the ‘original’ - maybe because I’m used to it or the fact I listen to bands who don’t shy away from big intros! 😂

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8 hours ago, RussTCB said:

What's so hard to understand about that? It's definitely a victory that Slash & Duff are playing songs from GNRs best album which was made without their help.

Excuse me, Slash and Duff were most definitely involved with the band's best album:

The Civil War EP.

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Just now, James Bond said:

Excuse me, Slash and Duff were most definitely involved with the band's best album:

The Civil War EP.

To each their own :)

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14 minutes ago, Creed said:

TSI sounds more pro than CD. But CD is more creative than TSI of course. The only song on TSI, which is creative is SIDHY. The rest are 1:1 covers. Great sound quality, but just useless imo. They already made 1:1 covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Jumpin Jack Flash, which didnt make it on AFD and UYI...and then they made a full cover album...weird decision. A MTV unplugged would have been the best choice back then.

I never considered any cover GnR did to be 1:1 ... Especially on SI those songs have a much different feel & sound compared to the originals 

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47 minutes ago, Creed said:

TSI sounds more pro than CD. But CD is more creative than TSI of course. The only song on TSI, which is creative is SIDHY. The rest are 1:1 covers. Great sound quality, but just useless imo. They already made 1:1 covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Jumpin Jack Flash, which didnt make it on AFD and UYI...and then they made a full cover album...weird decision. A MTV unplugged would have been the best choice back then.

oh you should listen to the original recording of down on the farm for evidence that that is a 1:10 cover

the original is almost unlistenable, it\s pure garbage, whoever found and chose that song has a unbelievable good ear for diamonds in the rough

acoustic jjf has nothing to do with the original stones version and axl melody lines are absolutely sublime, very superior to anything jagger ever did on that song

heartbreak hotel is not my favorite but GNR clearly made it much faster and heavier and a bit different arrangement than the original. i like the tom petty version with axl and izzy though, its brilliant, axl could no no wrong at those days

40 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I never considered any cover GnR did to be 1:1 ... Especially on SI those songs have a much different feel & sound compared to the originals 

agree!

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4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version.

I think Chinese Democracy could have had Atlas on it if not for all the super long intros. The one on Riad is so dumb just like the song Riad. I still 12 years later cannot believe Riad and Scraped made the final album. They are both such garbage tracks. 

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3 hours ago, Arnuld said:

I think Chinese Democracy could have had Atlas on it if not for all the super long intros. The one on Riad is so dumb just like the song Riad. I still 12 years later cannot believe Riad and Scraped made the final album. They are both such garbage tracks. 

Of course the theory was that not all the ‘top tier’ songs were included as there were supposed to be follow ups. If the ‘CD2’ track list was legit then you would see Atlas etc on there (songs much better than Scraped).

I personally really like Riad! 😂

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23 minutes ago, Sledge said:

If there's a new intro as a possibility to be premiered... Would that not be proof slash has recorded new parts?

Or that they had 3 rehearsals in which Slash and Duff gave HS the 'Better' live treatment. 😁 Really hard to speculate on this one, I guess. I hope the rumors are true, however. 

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17 hours ago, axljungle said:

I didn't hear the rehearsal but I like the Hardschool intro. For me had crescendo, the problem is that is a demo and it seems an unfinished track.

Me too, I love the Hardschool intro as it does build up then busts into a very cool song. I hope they leave it as it is. 

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1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said:

'Riad' like a few others on the album, suffers from over production.

The Village Locker versions is so much better.

 

11 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

Sooooo true, so much better.

I like both TBH. Mental to think the added intro on the album version got them sued - it really wasn’t needed. Chin Dem is the one track that REALLY improves from the stripped back approach on the demos. And I like the original.

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1 hour ago, Sledge said:

If there's a new intro as a possibility to be premiered... Would that not be proof slash has recorded new parts?

I think so, yes. 

1 hour ago, Gaanzer said:

Or that they had 3 rehearsals in which Slash and Duff gave HS the 'Better' live treatment. 😁 Really hard to speculate on this one, I guess. I hope the rumors are true, however. 

Better was already released. Hard School would certainly be another context for sure. 

The constant letdowns from the band and pessimistic views of the fans are kinda avoiding the logical outcome. I am 100% sure Slash (and Duff) recorded new parts. I don't know how this is that hard to believe, as Slash said many times he was working on GNR recordings and this is the only "new" song that we have evidence that it would be debuted live. 

Does this mean a new album will be released? No. Doesn't mean it won't too. We had a lot of proof that Axl does work in the studio, hence the Village leaks. To actually release it is another thing, sure. But it happens sometimes. :)

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40 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I think so, yes. 

Better was already released. Hard School would certainly be another context for sure. 

The constant letdowns from the band and pessimistic views of the fans are kinda avoiding the logical outcome. I am 100% sure Slash (and Duff) recorded new parts. I don't know how this is that hard to believe, as Slash said many times he was working on GNR recordings and this is the only "new" song that we have evidence that it would be debuted live. 

Does this mean a new album will be released? No. Doesn't mean it won't too. We had a lot of proof that Axl does work in the studio, hence the Village leaks. To actually release it is another thing, sure. But it happens sometimes. :)

100% agree. And add in Slash’s comment recently regarding getting his AFD guitar out of storage for ‘studio work with Guns’ is also very clear.

Its just the release part.....and fairly sure they wouldn’t be mucking about with stuff if there was no plan to release. Yeah there may be issues (contracts etc) but I really do think there is more positives than negatives here.

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I like the overall sound of Hard School, but I think the intro is a little long and kind of dull.  Seems like everything he did during that time had these long drawn out intros.  It works on Chinese Democracy but not as much on Hard School.  

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