GnR Chris 905 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Voodoochild said: I get that you didnt like it, but it has tons of dynamics and crescendo. And again, about the new intro: we don't know if that's really the very beginning. And I really think Slash's rhythm guitar there were not really all that good or even different from the demo (pay closer attention, it has several layers of guitar there and that sounded a lot like one of those). The snippet we heard had so much groove compared to the locker leak. I loved it and look forward to hearing a studio version. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Comstock 5,460 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GnR Chris 905 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said: I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version. I love the Chinese whispers as an album intro, but it should have been track 1 with track 2 being the actual self-titled song. On iTunes many moons ago, I set the song to start after all the whispering right on queue for the main riff. I wish Spotify had that feature also. Edited March 17, 2020 by GnR Chris 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voodoochild 947 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, GnR Chris said: The snippet we heard had so much groove compared to the locker leak. I loved it and look forward to hearing a studio version. I agree. Mainly because Duff's bass is pretty much driving it. The demo had a synth riff going on that kinda sounded like Pittman's paycheck. 1 hour ago, ludurigan said: yeah so i guess we agree to disagree then on the dynamics and crescendo issue maybe i should rephrase what i said previously to it has none of the dynamics and the crescendo of iconic guns n roses symphony'like intros such as the ones from songs like welcome to the jungle and you could be mine. to be more accurate, it doesn\t even get close to not'that'epic but still brilliant guns n roses intros like the ones from my michelle, out ta get me, mr brownstone, sweet child o mine and so many others Dynamics and crescendo: the song starts with just the synth and lead guitar with some drum kick. Then the rhythm guitars starts with two different riffs: one power chord, another with some pedal notes. This is where the drums keep building it with crashes, then a regular drum beat, then the drum fill. I don't think this is too far from classic GNR formula. It's actually closer than almost anything in CD. Look, I'm not saying it's good. I'm only pointing out that there are some elements there to make a build up the start of Axl's verses. 11 minutes ago, ludurigan said: i was able to listen to it now thanks to the good people of this forum funny thing is that I didnt recognize that part as the intro, it sounds more like a piece of the verse without vocals to me am i mistaken It does sound like the instrumental part after Robin's solo. Guess you're right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ludurigan 2,420 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: I'm only pointing out that there are some elements there to make a build up the start of Axl's verses. oh i can agree with that, there are definitely those elements, but to me it sounds like an amateur band trying to come up with an intro with dynamics and crescendo and failing miserably at it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,025 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 It’s difficult to ascertain exactly if that’s the full ‘new’ intro but it sounds kinda cool. That said, I still prefer the ‘original’ - maybe because I’m used to it or the fact I listen to bands who don’t shy away from big intros! 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Bond 5,150 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 hours ago, RussTCB said: What's so hard to understand about that? It's definitely a victory that Slash & Duff are playing songs from GNRs best album which was made without their help. Excuse me, Slash and Duff were most definitely involved with the band's best album: The Civil War EP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RussTCB 21,317 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, James Bond said: Excuse me, Slash and Duff were most definitely involved with the band's best album: The Civil War EP. To each their own 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2020_Intensions 372 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Creed said: TSI sounds more pro than CD. But CD is more creative than TSI of course. The only song on TSI, which is creative is SIDHY. The rest are 1:1 covers. Great sound quality, but just useless imo. They already made 1:1 covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Jumpin Jack Flash, which didnt make it on AFD and UYI...and then they made a full cover album...weird decision. A MTV unplugged would have been the best choice back then. I never considered any cover GnR did to be 1:1 ... Especially on SI those songs have a much different feel & sound compared to the originals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ludurigan 2,420 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Creed said: TSI sounds more pro than CD. But CD is more creative than TSI of course. The only song on TSI, which is creative is SIDHY. The rest are 1:1 covers. Great sound quality, but just useless imo. They already made 1:1 covers of Heartbreak Hotel and Jumpin Jack Flash, which didnt make it on AFD and UYI...and then they made a full cover album...weird decision. A MTV unplugged would have been the best choice back then. oh you should listen to the original recording of down on the farm for evidence that that is a 1:10 cover the original is almost unlistenable, it\s pure garbage, whoever found and chose that song has a unbelievable good ear for diamonds in the rough acoustic jjf has nothing to do with the original stones version and axl melody lines are absolutely sublime, very superior to anything jagger ever did on that song heartbreak hotel is not my favorite but GNR clearly made it much faster and heavier and a bit different arrangement than the original. i like the tom petty version with axl and izzy though, its brilliant, axl could no no wrong at those days 40 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: I never considered any cover GnR did to be 1:1 ... Especially on SI those songs have a much different feel & sound compared to the originals agree! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arnuld 232 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: I like the intro on the demo but it's too long. Chinese Democracy has the same issue, and luckily the NITL line-up cut it down to the 3.5 minute rocker that it's supposed to be. The new intro to Hardschool sounds a lot more 'classic Guns' IMO. I'm curious to hear how Frank sounds on the studio version. I think Chinese Democracy could have had Atlas on it if not for all the super long intros. The one on Riad is so dumb just like the song Riad. I still 12 years later cannot believe Riad and Scraped made the final album. They are both such garbage tracks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oldest Goat 8,379 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Cool they rehearsed it. Any videos? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oldest Goat 8,379 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Sounds pretty awesome imo and Axl's voice sounds quite good on it too I like it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,025 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Arnuld said: I think Chinese Democracy could have had Atlas on it if not for all the super long intros. The one on Riad is so dumb just like the song Riad. I still 12 years later cannot believe Riad and Scraped made the final album. They are both such garbage tracks. Of course the theory was that not all the ‘top tier’ songs were included as there were supposed to be follow ups. If the ‘CD2’ track list was legit then you would see Atlas etc on there (songs much better than Scraped). I personally really like Riad! 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F*ck Fear 1,070 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 'Riad' like a few others on the album, suffers from over production. The Village Locker versions is so much better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge 41 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 If there's a new intro as a possibility to be premiered... Would that not be proof slash has recorded new parts? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaanzer 53 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sledge said: If there's a new intro as a possibility to be premiered... Would that not be proof slash has recorded new parts? Or that they had 3 rehearsals in which Slash and Duff gave HS the 'Better' live treatment. 😁 Really hard to speculate on this one, I guess. I hope the rumors are true, however. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimisbatman 75 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said: 'Riad' like a few others on the album, suffers from over production. The Village Locker versions is so much better. Sooooo true, so much better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DownUnderScott 367 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 hours ago, axljungle said: I didn't hear the rehearsal but I like the Hardschool intro. For me had crescendo, the problem is that is a demo and it seems an unfinished track. Me too, I love the Hardschool intro as it does build up then busts into a very cool song. I hope they leave it as it is. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,025 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said: 'Riad' like a few others on the album, suffers from over production. The Village Locker versions is so much better. 11 minutes ago, jimisbatman said: Sooooo true, so much better. I like both TBH. Mental to think the added intro on the album version got them sued - it really wasn’t needed. Chin Dem is the one track that REALLY improves from the stripped back approach on the demos. And I like the original. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voodoochild 947 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Sledge said: If there's a new intro as a possibility to be premiered... Would that not be proof slash has recorded new parts? I think so, yes. 1 hour ago, Gaanzer said: Or that they had 3 rehearsals in which Slash and Duff gave HS the 'Better' live treatment. 😁 Really hard to speculate on this one, I guess. I hope the rumors are true, however. Better was already released. Hard School would certainly be another context for sure. The constant letdowns from the band and pessimistic views of the fans are kinda avoiding the logical outcome. I am 100% sure Slash (and Duff) recorded new parts. I don't know how this is that hard to believe, as Slash said many times he was working on GNR recordings and this is the only "new" song that we have evidence that it would be debuted live. Does this mean a new album will be released? No. Doesn't mean it won't too. We had a lot of proof that Axl does work in the studio, hence the Village leaks. To actually release it is another thing, sure. But it happens sometimes. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,025 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: I think so, yes. Better was already released. Hard School would certainly be another context for sure. The constant letdowns from the band and pessimistic views of the fans are kinda avoiding the logical outcome. I am 100% sure Slash (and Duff) recorded new parts. I don't know how this is that hard to believe, as Slash said many times he was working on GNR recordings and this is the only "new" song that we have evidence that it would be debuted live. Does this mean a new album will be released? No. Doesn't mean it won't too. We had a lot of proof that Axl does work in the studio, hence the Village leaks. To actually release it is another thing, sure. But it happens sometimes. 100% agree. And add in Slash’s comment recently regarding getting his AFD guitar out of storage for ‘studio work with Guns’ is also very clear. Its just the release part.....and fairly sure they wouldn’t be mucking about with stuff if there was no plan to release. Yeah there may be issues (contracts etc) but I really do think there is more positives than negatives here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yourcrazy 183 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I like the overall sound of Hard School, but I think the intro is a little long and kind of dull. Seems like everything he did during that time had these long drawn out intros. It works on Chinese Democracy but not as much on Hard School. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2020_Intensions 372 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: Sounds pretty awesome imo and Axl's voice sounds quite good on it too I like it Stockholm syndrome 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oldest Goat 8,379 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: Stockholm syndrome Honestly thought it sounded pretty good at least enough to want to hear it properly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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