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I would have thought this went without saying, but PM'ing an admin to ask for links will also get you a 7 day suspension.... 

Out of curiosity, I searched into a body of newspapers for examples of use of "hard-school" in context other than the literal one (i.e. about school) or the obvious figurative one as in "learning in t

33 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Pretty funny coincidence, the new rehearsal clip of Axl singing on Hard School is just as long as the leaked clip in 2006, same amount of lyrics and all.

A coincidence or something more sinister.....🧐

😂

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12 hours ago, Draguns said:

It could be a possibility, but I doubt it. If you look at how Hard School is structured, it has a similar structure to classic era GNR. CD songs sound much different than this. 

I disagree. There are some instrumental songs in the Village Sessions that are too more classic GNR than the CD songs, like Quicksong and Oklahoma. 

It seems to me that Axl wanted to push for a different approach (epic ballads, mid-tempo rockers with weird riffs and synths), but the band itself also tried a more straightforward hard rock songs.

It really is kinda weird to me how those other songs were not picked to be released first, as Axl said on record early on that he would first release a more guitar driven songs and then push for more "agressive electronica" in the second album. Those instrumentals also sound different from the few other "confirmed" CD 2 songs we heard: Silkworms, Going Down, OMG reworked and The General (from what I could tell in that shitty recording). Maybe he changed his mind after Buckethead joined and just ditched those more classic GNR sounding tracks, which would still be his plan until Slash and Duff came back.

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6 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

That’s actually a very obvious but good idea - he most likely would give a straight answer!

Yeah, although,  supposing it dates from that time, it most likely didn't have lyrics yet. So Matt should be sent the leak and/or the rehearsal clip, too, and asked about the "Jackie Chan" song.

But I think at this point even Slash or Duff could be asked by an informed interviewer, as HS has become kind of semi-official now, since it's been rehearsed and it's not just a leak anymore - like, "I heard you rehearsed a new song in Mexico, what is it all about?" :lol:

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9 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, although,  supposing it dates from that time, it most likely didn't have lyrics yet. So Matt should be sent the leak and/or the rehearsal clip, too, and asked about the "Jackie Chan" song.

But I think at this point even Slash or Duff could be asked by an informed interviewer, as HS has become kind of semi-official now, since it's been rehearsed and it's not just a leak anymore - like, "I heard you rehearsed a new song in Mexico, what is it all about?" :lol:

Very true. Although same could be said of the other ‘classic’ sounding ones like Quick Song I guess! Let’s just fire him all 15ish discs and get him to pick out which ones he knows! 😂

Seriously though - would love to know what tracks were ‘done’ he alluded to before he was sacked. Don’t see why he wouldn’t be open about answering?

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After years of leaks, it has hit the fan. If something gets released officially, it is ruined because people keep on saying it sounds different or likes a different take and bad audio. It wouldn't be spoiled if it was never released.

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On 4/9/2020 at 10:00 AM, Kranich said:

Has anyone got the tabs for hardschool ?

 

Its easy to learn by ear for the simplified version of it

To my ear,m: There are basic rhythm guitars that play the verse riff only using single notes (not power chords), theres a guitar thats panned to the center that plays a power chord variation of the riff, and then theres also a pair of guitars that are playing a very odd octave-chord melody, that are buried deep in the mix.

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This songs grown on me but it needs the slash/Izzy treatment and a decent solo. Axl needs to work on the verses, the chorus is FIRE!
hopefully this is what’s taking so long, The band re-recording the music.

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17 minutes ago, Alabaster said:

Some rumbo studios reel tapes:

https://ibb.co/4tffQLH

These are mostly Duff's material, were forgotten in a storage space, the owner notified the band and Duff has collected them.

The only reel tape that is related to GnR is the one containing Machine Gun and Tooth Puller, which is from the Duff-Izzy demos in 1995 (the same sessions Down By The Ocean came from). Has nothing to do with the Village leaks and Zutaut's locker.

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6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

These are mostly Duff's material, were forgotten in a storage space, the owner notified the band and Duff has collected them.

The only reel tape that is related to GnR is the one containing Machine Gun and Tooth Puller, which is from the Duff-Izzy demos in 1995 (the same sessions Down By The Ocean came from). Has nothing to do with the Village leaks and Zutaut's locker.

The one labeled as "GNR" could include some Slash... since the rest are labeled as Duff+Izzy. It's from 1995 so it could contain the riffs that Fortus talked about. Who knows!

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25 minutes ago, Alabaster said:

The one labeled as "GNR" could include some Slash... since the rest are labeled as Duff+Izzy. It's from 1995 so it could contain the riffs that Fortus talked about. Who knows!

From all the interviews and the information we have, those demos were just Duff and Izzy. Slash was touring with Snakepit and didn't work at all with GnR in 1995 (except in the beginning of the year with Zakk Wylde). 

Also I don't think all these are from Rumbo studios. 

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Do we think if all the leaked tunes we heard became part of CD2 we would actually still like them as much as we do now or do we only like them this much because they are rare leaks? I for one love Hardschool and Atlas but i wonder if these were released under normal circumstances the songs would be as ‘good’ in a sense.

 

On another note im hoping they play Hardschool at their next concert. I watched every show of the final leg of NITL thinkinf they’d play it and now its actually been rehearsed its the time to release some new stuff.

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7 hours ago, Mendez said:

Its easy to learn by ear for the simplified version of it

To my ear,m: There are basic rhythm guitars that play the verse riff only using single notes (not power chords), theres a guitar thats panned to the center that plays a power chord variation of the riff, and then theres also a pair of guitars that are playing a very odd octave-chord melody, that are buried deep in the mix.

I don't know, to me it sounds like regular power chords. I tried to send you a DM with the video I made playing the song, but the point is that it was possible the octave-chord melody was played together with the main verse riff. 

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Been thinking about Hard School again. And while it’s difficult to say anything at this point – with everything suspended – I think the fate of this song could be something like Oh My God, i.e. a rather rare song, almost never to be played and probably not even released. It is cool musically, but it’s not a new song, wasn’t made by the current band, and as I’ve said here before, the line-up needs something else as the first "statement" other than this. 
I’d bet it will stay on the alternative playlist like OMG and others, barely ever to be performed. 
Again, I may be wrong, we need the tour resurrected to make any conclusions. It’s just a hunch for now. 

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8 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Been thinking about Hard School again. And while it’s difficult to say anything at this point – with everything suspended – I think the fate of this song could be something like Oh My God, i.e. a rather rare song, almost never to be played and probably not even released. It is cool musically, but it’s not a new song, wasn’t made by the current band, and as I’ve said here before, the line-up needs something else as the first "statement" other than this. 
I’d bet it will stay on the alternative playlist like OMG and others, barely ever to be performed. 
Again, I may be wrong, we need the tour resurrected to make any conclusions. It’s just a hunch for now. 

We still have no confirmation the current band have written any songs.

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The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

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2 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

We still have no confirmation the current band have written any songs.

Well no, and I don’t think we will until very shortly before some serious plans for release. Nevertheless, I’d consider it quite absurd to think that their reunion record should completely consist of reworked CD 2 only, there’s no way. 
All we can do now is speculate though. 

1 hour ago, ZODIAC said:

The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

You're probably right, but the fact that HS is 20+ years old and from a different line-up wouldn't escape the journalists, and the public's reactions would therefore ensue imo. 

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10 minutes ago, jamillos said:
2 hours ago, ZODIAC said:

The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

You're probably right, but the fact that HS is 20+ years old and from a different line-up wouldn't escape the journalists, and the public's reactions would therefore ensue imo. 

Gotta admit I agree with both here. Think it will be highlighted initially but 99.9% of people won't care that it was written by people other than Slash/Duff if it is a great tune.

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