Hard School FULL LEAK Discussion **NO LINKS**7 Day Suspension For Asking For Links**

[jamillos]

Been thinking about Hard School again. And while it’s difficult to say anything at this point – with everything suspended – I think the fate of this song could be something like Oh My God, i.e. a rather rare song, almost never to be played and probably not even released. It is cool musically, but it’s not a new song, wasn’t made by the current band, and as I’ve said here before, the line-up needs something else as the first "statement" other than this. 
I’d bet it will stay on the alternative playlist like OMG and others, barely ever to be performed. 
Again, I may be wrong, we need the tour resurrected to make any conclusions. It’s just a hunch for now. 

[ShadowOfTheWave]

8 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Been thinking about Hard School again. And while it’s difficult to say anything at this point – with everything suspended – I think the fate of this song could be something like Oh My God, i.e. a rather rare song, almost never to be played and probably not even released. It is cool musically, but it’s not a new song, wasn’t made by the current band, and as I’ve said here before, the line-up needs something else as the first "statement" other than this. 
I’d bet it will stay on the alternative playlist like OMG and others, barely ever to be performed. 
Again, I may be wrong, we need the tour resurrected to make any conclusions. It’s just a hunch for now. 

We still have no confirmation the current band have written any songs.

[ZODIAC]

The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

[jamillos]

2 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

We still have no confirmation the current band have written any songs.

Well no, and I don’t think we will until very shortly before some serious plans for release. Nevertheless, I’d consider it quite absurd to think that their reunion record should completely consist of reworked CD 2 only, there’s no way. 
All we can do now is speculate though. 

1 hour ago, ZODIAC said:

The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

You're probably right, but the fact that HS is 20+ years old and from a different line-up wouldn't escape the journalists, and the public's reactions would therefore ensue imo. 

[CAFC Nick]

10 minutes ago, jamillos said:

2 hours ago, ZODIAC said:

The press and the casual fans aren't interested in songwriting credits imo. IF a song will be released under the name Guns n' Roses, they will take it, as it is and will judge it by it's quality, catchiness, and whatever... 

You're probably right, but the fact that HS is 20+ years old and from a different line-up wouldn't escape the journalists, and the public's reactions would therefore ensue imo. 

Gotta admit I agree with both here. Think it will be highlighted initially but 99.9% of people won't care that it was written by people other than Slash/Duff if it is a great tune.

[Joraz]

If hardschool was released now whats everyone’s opinions like would it hit charts at all or just be a small release?

[jekylhyde]

On 11.4.2020 at 5:12 PM, Joraz said:

Do we think if all the leaked tunes we heard became part of CD2 we would actually still like them as much as we do now or do we only like them this much because they are rare leaks? I for one love Hardschool and Atlas but i wonder if these were released under normal circumstances the songs would be as ‘good’ in a sense.

From recent leaks, in my opinion, Perhaps and State of Grace are genuinely good songs, but Atlas Shrugged and Hard School are only interesting because we have no other new music.

If Guns N' Roses want to make a comeback as a recording band, they need to release something better than Hard School as a first single. They would need a Slither-type of song, in my opinion. Then follow that with an acoustic ballad with an Axl-led piano. Then a third single could be more experimental, but still within the Guns N' Roses sound.

This band has so much wasted potential. It's so frustrating.

Edited April 21, 2020 by jekylhyde

[Sydney Fan]

2 hours ago, jamillos said:

Been thinking about Hard School again. And while it’s difficult to say anything at this point – with everything suspended – I think the fate of this song could be something like Oh My God, i.e. a rather rare song, almost never to be played and probably not even released. It is cool musically, but it’s not a new song, wasn’t made by the current band, and as I’ve said here before, the line-up needs something else as the first "statement" other than this. 
I’d bet it will stay on the alternative playlist like OMG and others, barely ever to be performed. 
Again, I may be wrong, we need the tour resurrected to make any conclusions. It’s just a hunch for now. 

Will the band also do a video if HS is a single?. VR did videos with their singles, and wonder if the band see doing videos as a promotion for the single.

[jackparker123]

12 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Gotta admit I agree with both here. Think it will be highlighted initially but 99.9% of people won't care that it was written by people other than Slash/Duff if it is a great tune.

I think any potential new GNR album will be made up primarily of Chinese Democracy era material, as this will be

• A. the easy option, and
• B. will play to Axl's ego and the narrative of Axl being the true genius and talisman of GNR

[Sydney Fan]

2 minutes ago, Joraz said:

If hardschool was released now whats everyone’s opinions like would it hit charts at all or just be a small release?

In oz soyl got good radio airplay. If the single is advertised with fans knowing an album is due to be released and a good video with it, and billboards, print media, social media/youtube  etc i think it can make a dent in the charts.

[jackparker123]

1 minute ago, Sydney Fan said:

Will the band also do a video if HS is a single?. VR did videos with their singles, and wonder if the band see doing videos as a promotion for the single.

I definitely can't see Axl agreeing to do 'proper' music videos like in the 80s / 90s.

I'd love to be wrong though.

[Sydney Fan]

Just now, jackparker123 said:

I definitely can't see Axl agreeing to do 'proper' music videos like in the 80s / 90s.

I'd love to be wrong though.

I remember reading gnr where the last major band of their era to do expensive videos. November rain cost abit over a million dollars to do. I dont think they will do expensive and trilogy type vidros. 

The videos would most likely be computer animated like their stage shows with skeleton porn included.

[jamillos]

8 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Will the band also do a video if HS is a single?. VR did videos with their singles, and wonder if the band see doing videos as a promotion for the single.

I see no problems with that, other bands do it... but then, we’re talking about GN’R here, aren’t we. As for the content, what I would expect is a mash from the concert footage, kind of like what they’ve been presenting in their social media during NITL. Definitely not expecting some story-driven Axl video like Estranged as the first single, more like Dead Horse etc. 
Again, as cool as HS is, I’d prefer a brand-new thing as the first single, even though I would welcome it if a revamped version was on the actual album. 

[bumcheecksmcghee]

5 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I see no problems with that, other bands do it... but then, we’re talking about GN’R here, aren’t we. As for the content, what I would expect is a mash from the concert footage, kind of like what they’ve been presenting in their social media during NITL. Definitely not expecting some story-driven Axl video like Estranged as the first single, more like Dead Horse etc. 
Again, as cool as HS is, I’d prefer a brand-new thing as the first single, even though I would welcome it if a revamped version was on the actual album. 

The music video for better never officially released on CD album... So id be suprised if another video came out for Hard school or any new song/album...

Change my mind 😂

[jamillos]

6 minutes ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

The music video for better never officially released on CD album... So id be suprised if another video came out for Hard school or any new song/album...

Change my mind 😂

Gotcha, but then, that was a different era, different management, different contracts, Axl’s pain in the ass times in general. I’d expect quite a different approach now. I mean, at least I hope so! 

[jamillos]

28 minutes ago, jackparker123 said:

I think any potential new GNR album will be made up primarily of Chinese Democracy era material, as this will be

• A. the easy option, and
• B. will play to Axl's ego and the narrative of Axl being the true genius and talisman of GNR

Again, I don’t see it this way, primarily because: 

Ad A) Apart from the whole NITL/TB anabasis, since when have GNR taken the easy way, when you think about the past? 
Ad B) The "narrative of Axl being the true genius and talisman of GNR" is merely our own construct, let’s not forget that. 

[AxlSlashthebest]

28 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Are music videos still a thing?

for youtube.........not MTV !!!

[DownUnderScott]

1 hour ago, Sydney Fan said:

In oz soyl got good radio airplay. If the single is advertised with fans knowing an album is due to be released and a good video with it, and billboards, print media, social media/youtube  etc i think it can make a dent in the charts.

I agree, but we've always had a great appetite for Guns N' Roses here in Australia. (Pardon the pun)

I even heard 'Better' on the radio the other day. Triple M 'Hard and Heavy' played it. It was a pleasant surprise. 

[Joraz]

2 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

In oz soyl got good radio airplay. If the single is advertised with fans knowing an album is due to be released and a good video with it, and billboards, print media, social media/youtube  etc i think it can make a dent in the charts.

I live in Oz in Tasmania but i didnt hear SOYL once but if i did damn i woulda been happy lol but i dont think they’ll ever reach mainstream success ever again but id be welcome to be wrong lol.

 

also good to see a fellow Australian here lol

 

[DownUnderScott]

16 hours ago, Joraz said:

I live in Oz in Tasmania but i didnt hear SOYL once but if i did damn i woulda been happy lol but i dont think they’ll ever reach mainstream success ever again but id be welcome to be wrong lol.

 

also good to see a fellow Australian here lol

 

I’m from Brisbane mate, there’s a few of us Aussies on here. And Tasmania is beautiful, only been there once but I remember freaking out climbing Cradle Mountain and worrying about Tiger snakes biting me :-)

[DK6]

18 hours ago, Joraz said:

I live in Oz in Tasmania but i didnt hear SOYL once but if i did damn i woulda been happy lol but i dont think they’ll ever reach mainstream success ever again but id be welcome to be wrong lol.

 

also good to see a fellow Australian here lol

 

 

1 hour ago, DownUnderScott said:

I’m from Brisbane mate, there’s a few of us Aussies on here. And Tasmania is beautiful, only been there once but I remember freaking out climbing Cradle Mountain and worrying about Tiger snakes biting me :-)

I'm from Tassie as well! SCOM would be the only GnR song I've heard on the radio for a long time - not that I listen to the radio much. 

[DurhamGirl]

I am from the UK and listen to a radio station called Absolute which plays GnR most days, if GnR were to bring out new music  there would be much excitement

[Sydney Fan]

21 hours ago, Joraz said:

I live in Oz in Tasmania but i didnt hear SOYL once but if i did damn i woulda been happy lol but i dont think they’ll ever reach mainstream success ever again but id be welcome to be wrong lol.

 

also good to see a fellow Australian here lol

 

T assie is on my to do list once domestic travel can restart.

[Joraz]

16 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

T assie is on my to do list once domestic travel can restart.

Its a beautiful place mate very few people but such a beautiful place

[Live Like a Suicide]

On 4/21/2020 at 9:50 PM, Joraz said:

I live in Oz in Tasmania but i didnt hear SOYL once but if i did damn i woulda been happy lol but i dont think they’ll ever reach mainstream success ever again but id be welcome to be wrong lol.

 

also good to see a fellow Australian here lol

 

 

9 hours ago, DownUnderScott said:

I’m from Brisbane mate, there’s a few of us Aussies on here. And Tasmania is beautiful, only been there once but I remember freaking out climbing Cradle Mountain and worrying about Tiger snakes biting me :-)

 

8 hours ago, DK6 said:

 

I'm from Tassie as well! SCOM would be the only GnR song I've heard on the radio for a long time - not that I listen to the radio much. 

 

5 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

T assie is on my to do list once domestic travel can restart.

You guys should check out Midnight Oil's new song, 'Tarkine', about the forest in Tassie. Apparently they were going to release two albums this year - not sure on the plans now. Would link the song, but not sure about the rules on that one.