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Let's just make this clear. We will not allow any discussion relating to any correspondence that was intended to be private.  This is none of our business and just as we would want others to resp

Even though the content of the storage locker wasn't intended to be released by its creator, I'm glad I got to hear it. It's music. But private e-mails are another story. As much as curious I am

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3 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

Bumblefoot only recorded overdubs in January 2007 to my knowledge

So I'm guessing it was reworked circa-2002 and sat around until Axl started putting vocals on things in December 2006

I've been wondering, are the vocals on the final 2008 CD the very same as the ones in The Village Sessions leaks, or were all the vocals re recorded in 2006? To my ears they both sound the same but I'm no expert.

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5 minutes ago, Strongback said:

I've been wondering, are the vocals on the final 2008 CD the very same as the ones in The Village Sessions leaks, or were all the vocals re recorded in 2006? To my ears they both sound the same but I'm no expert.

Most are the same as the Village Sessions leaks, but there were a few additional vocals added in 2006-07 (CD, TWAT, This I Love, Shackler's Revenge)

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36 minutes ago, Strongback said:

I've been wondering, are the vocals on the final 2008 CD the very same as the ones in The Village Sessions leaks, or were all the vocals re recorded in 2006? To my ears they both sound the same but I'm no expert.

https://sleazeroxx.com/recording-chinese-democracy-axl-rose-at-the-palms-studio/

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RECORDING ‘CHINESE DEMOCRACY’: AXL ROSE AT THE PALMS STUDIO:

November 26, 2008

Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. “I went from ‘no way,’ ” he recalls, “to changing my plane ticket right away.” All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary Guns N’ Roses disc “Chinese Democracy.”

Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are “Chinese Democracy,” “Madagascar” and “Prostitute.” Despite the years and controversies that accompanied over a decade-long (The Palms was years from being built when Rose started work on the album) process of creating “Chinese Democracy,” Gray found Rose focused in their sessions at the end of 2006. Gray recalls:

“He had a firm handshake and looked you straight in the eye. It was all vocal overdubs or vocal leads. He would move from song to song, working on different parts. He was jumping about, but he knew exactly what he wanted. The producers set everything so the workflow is catered to the artist for anyone, and that is how it went down here. From what I saw, it was first takes or at most two or three takes. Rose would say, ‘I can get the part better’ or ‘I can tighten it up.’ “

And even if it took two more years for the results to be released, Gray was sure the album would eventually come out based on what he heard during those weeks working with Rose. While Gray was happy to play his tiny part in the disc, of course, he is happier now that “Chinese Democracy” is available to all, with Gray’s engineering work from 2006 integrated into the finished disc. Gray notes of the sessions:

“This is Guns N’ Roses. I had the butterflies in the stomach the night before each night. It was absolutely special. When you hear his voice, it was a highlight of my career. He just went in and sang. He was living with the record a long time by then, and he really knew what he wanted to do. He proved a good guy to be around. We would start about 5 or 6 in the evening, hitting tape by 7. We worked five or six hours. These were great sessions. It was a great moment in the studio for me, and it was technically flawless.”

 

It sounds like Axl just went over everything that was on the final album, but Axl said that he recorded vocals for "Soul Monster" on a Christmas Eve. That was either 12/24/2006 before Mark Gray joined in on the sessions, or sometime between 12/24/2002 and 12/24/2005 (Axl still hadn't recorded vocals for Soul Monster as of Summer 2002).

So let's narrow this down:

-I assume Axl wasn't recording Christmas 2002 after the North American tour fell apart

-Christmas 2003 was right before the label booted the band from The Village for inactivity

-Christmas 2004 the band was at Woodland Ranch Studios

-Christmas 2005 the band had no studio booked

So I'm going to say Axl recorded the Soul Monster vocals either on 12/24/2004 or 12/24/2006 (leaning towards 2004).

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12 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

https://sleazeroxx.com/recording-chinese-democracy-axl-rose-at-the-palms-studio/

It sounds like Axl just went over everything that was on the final album, but Axl said that he recorded vocals for "Soul Monster" on a Christmas Eve. That was either 12/24/2006 before Mark Gray joined in on the sessions, or sometime between 12/24/2002 and 12/24/2005 (Axl still hadn't recorded vocals for Soul Monster as of Summer 2002).

So let's narrow this down:

-I assume Axl wasn't recording Christmas 2002 after the North American tour fell apart

-Christmas 2003 was right before the label booted the band from The Village for inactivity

-Christmas 2004 the band was at Woodland Ranch Studios

-Christmas 2005 the band had no studio booked

So I'm going to say Axl recorded the Soul Monster vocals either on 12/24/2004 or 12/24/2006 (leaning towards 2004).

Wow never read that before, crazy to think all the vocals were ready by the end of 2006 but the album took almost 2 more years to be released.

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4 hours ago, Strongback said:

Wow never read that before, crazy to think all the vocals were ready by the end of 2006 but the album took almost 2 more years to be released.

I remember reading that article, or a similar one, just after CD was released and it was some guy stating that Axl came in and nailed his vocals in just one or two takes. It may have even been a different guy referring to a different recording session but I clearly recall how impressed the audio engineer was that Axl came in and in just a few takes for each song he delivered high quality vocals that were possibly the end product!

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9 hours ago, lantern said:

Does anyone think we'll get some christmas leaks?

We had Saskatoon in 2018 and the Chinese stuff this year. 

I think we have a lot. 

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Thinkin well... we have had too much for a gnr fan this 2 last years.

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1 hour ago, DownUnderScott said:

I remember reading that article, or a similar one, just after CD was released and it was some guy stating that Axl came in and nailed his vocals in just one or two takes. It may have even been a different guy referring to a different recording session but I clearly recall how impressed the audio engineer was that Axl came in and in just a few takes for each song he delivered high quality vocals that were possibly the end product!

I think you’re talking about Angel Down

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The raspy TIL from later years renders Axl's Village sessions vocals a bunch of shit. I'll never understand why they decided not to use this one. 

Also, yes the CD must have been finished by 2006 - Axl published that letter about Merck, remember? And promised a tentative date of March 2007. He wouldn't have said so if they hadn't been done. 

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4 hours ago, jamillos said:

Also, yes the CD must have been finished by 2006 - Axl published that letter about Merck, remember? And promised a tentative date of March 2007. He wouldn't have said so if they hadn't been done. 

:lol:

My guess is that they didn't have one.

Throughout the years it was always stuff like: "It's definitely this year", "Soon is the word", "There are x tuesdays left this year"

And of course Sorry being described as Doom Metal by Bach, what a let down that was <_<

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42 minutes ago, UcudBmine said:

:lol:

My guess is that they didn't have one.

Throughout the years it was always stuff like: "It's definitely this year", "Soon is the word", "There are x tuesdays left this year"

And of course Sorry being described as Doom Metal by Bach, what a let down that was <_<

We now know the music was mostly finished around 2001; the rest was more or less just fiddling about with the sound etc. God knows why it had to take another two years since 2006. 

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15 minutes ago, jamillos said:

We now know the music was mostly finished around 2001; the rest was more or less just fiddling about with the sound etc. God knows why it had to take another two years since 2006. 

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8490842/guns-n-roses-chinese-democracy-album-legacy

This is a decent read about it, if you haven't read it yet. It's also in the newswire section on this forum.

But of course, many questions remain and will be left unanswered.

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11 minutes ago, UcudBmine said:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8490842/guns-n-roses-chinese-democracy-album-legacy

This is a decent read about it, if you haven't read it yet. It's also in the newswire section on this forum.

But of course, many questions remain and will be left unanswered.

Oh I know, I was more like complaining again, even after those years. The time aspect was just ridiculous. 

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47 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Then the leaks happened and it proved that Axl has a bunch of other tracks ready to go at any time. Even all of the instrumentals show that a very small amount of work would be needed to turn those into finished tracks.

You're implying that getting Axl to sit down and write lyrics for an entire song is an easy task

Between 2001 and 2007 he presumably only wrote lyrics for Better, Scraped, Shackler's Revenge, Soul Monster, Sorry and The General (and possibly Berlin)

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57 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The time aspect is always the biggest pain in the ass with GNR. 

I cannot believe it's been another eleven years in between albums and we still haven't had even 1 more song officially released.

Until the latest round of leaks, I started to think "OK, well maybe the Chinese album was truly all Axl had that was good enough to release" 

Then the leaks happened and it proved that Axl has a bunch of other tracks ready to go at any time. Even all of the instrumentals show that a very small amount of work would be needed to turn those into finished tracks.

Instead of productivity and new material, all we got was Axl's "woe is me" attitude from 2008 until 2014. Then we got 2 more years of silence while the money making machine was being prepped. Since 2016 it's been about the almighty dollar, which is sad. 

yeah the worst part is 11 years with a bunch of material that is good enough to be released. That's where Axl is really different compared to other musicians. He waited until every condition was just right so almost nothing got released. Do you believe Duff's confirmation of Axl having "a zillion tunes" is true? I think it's likely there is a lot of unreleased material.

What a waste. I wonder if Slash and Duff could influence him to actually release another Guns album, even if they are going to complete it.

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11 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

You're implying that getting Axl to sit down and write lyrics for an entire song is an easy task

Between 2001 and 2007 he presumably only wrote lyrics for Better, Scraped, Shackler's Revenge, Soul Monster, Sorry and The General (and possibly Berlin)

I cwrtainly hope he's written more than that, but probably not :/

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

yeah the worst part is 11 years with a bunch of material that is good enough to be released. That's where Axl is really different compared to other musicians. He waited until every condition was just right so almost nothing got released. Do you believe Duff's confirmation of Axl having "a zillion tunes" is true? I think it's likely there is a lot of unreleased material.

What a waste. I wonder if Slash and Duff could influence him to actually release another Guns album, even if they are going to complete it.

I believe that there's a ton of material sitting around, but like TheSeeker said above, who knows if Axl has lifted a finger to complete the lyrics. 

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Ok let me try and do this

Chinese Democracy-era tracks and when they first originated (sorted by lineup)

Axl/Slash/Gilby/Duff/Matt/Dizzy (1991-1994)

This I Love

Axl/Slash/Paul/Duff/Matt/Dizzy (1994-1996)

Berlin

Down By the Ocean

Hard School

Axl/Robin/Paul/Duff/Matt/Dizzy (1997)

Oh My God

Axl/Robin//Paul/Tommy/Josh/Dizzy/Pitman (1998-1999)

As It Began

Atlas Shrugged

Billionaire

Catcher in the Rye

Chinese Democracy

Circus Maximus

Curly Shuffle

D Tune

Devious Bastard

Dub Suplex

Dummy

Eye on You

I.R.S.

If the World

Madagascar

Mustache

Nothing

P.R.L.

Perhaps

Prostitute

Quick Song

Riad N' the Bedouins

Silkworms

Soul Monster

State of Grace

Street of Dreams

There Was a Time

Thyme

Tonto

Zodiac 13

Axl/Buckethead/Paul/Tommy/Josh/Dizzy/Pitman (1999-2000)

RealDoll.com

Shackler's Revenge

Sorry

Axl/Buckethead/Robin/Paul/Tommy/Brain/Dizzy/Pitman (2000-2002)

Better

Going Down

Ides of March

Inside Out

Prom Violence

The Rebel

Untitled Tommy Stinson Demo #1

Axl/Buckethead/Robin/Richard/Tommy/Brain/Dizzy/Pitman (2002-2004)

Scraped

Seven

The General

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Just now, CAFC Nick said:

May have missed this but when did we get confirmation that Hardschool is from the OG Slash/Duff era?

 

People assume it's from the mid-90s because Axl referred to the song as "Jackie Chan" in 2008, and there were rumours that a GNR song was supposed to be included in a Jackie Chan movie/soundtrack around 1996. But it's never been confirmed.

I think people just really desperately want to hear anything 'new' from Axl and Slash (see the reactions to Shadow Of Your Love last year for another example) so they convince themselves the songs are older than they really are.

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5 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said:

We did not

 

1 minute ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

People assume it's from the mid-90s because Axl referred to the song as "Jackie Chan" in 2008, and there were rumours that a GNR song was supposed to be included in a Jackie Chan movie/soundtrack around 1996. But it's never been confirmed.

I think people just really desperately want to hear anything 'new' from Axl and Slash (see the reactions to Shadow Of Your Love last year for another example) so they convince themselves the songs are older than they really are.

Cheers for that chaps - struck me as strange as the nothing about the structure of this song makes me think it has any Slash involvement.

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Tonto has grown on me immensely, I now think its one of the best songs of the bunch. The guitar tones are spot on, Bucket's solo is great, and I love the outro

Its almost a bad thing I love all of these songs so much. Its like I am THIS close to getting CD2. I really think it would be my favorite GNR album after AFD based on the songs

Hardschool
Quicksong
Atlas Shrugged
Perhaps
Circus Maximus
Dub Suplex
Zodiac 13
Soul Monster
Oklahoma
State of Grace
D Tune
Tonto
Mustache
Devious Bastard
The General

Having all of those tracks and ideas finished and reworked with vocals... it'd have been an absolutely killer hard rock album

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