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Even though the content of the storage locker wasn't intended to be released by its creator, I'm glad I got to hear it. It's music. But private e-mails are another story. As much as curious I am

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54 minutes ago, tkarmy said:

So I just finally managed to track down a bunch of the leaks

Can someone confirm all the songs that have leaked that have vocals on them?

And has Seven leaked?

Unreleased songs with vocals that have leaked:

Hardschool

Atlas Shrugged

Perhaps

State of Grace

Eye on You

Quick Song (only guide vocals - no lyrics)

Nothing (same line repeated)

Silkworms

Going Down (Tommy Stinson vocals)

Tommy Demo #1 (Tommy Stinson vocals)

Knocking On Heaven's Door 

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Leaked rough mixes with vocals of songs that made CD:

Chinese Democracy

The Blues

Catcher In The Rye

Madagascar

TWAT

Prostitute

IRS

Rhiad 

If The World

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Seven hasn't leaked.

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5 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said:

Please stop believing shit didnt happen, that songs were written by the band at the time, Axl as we know was infuriated with Slash and everything about him and his asociates that im amazed that anyone would think he recorded a song writen by him in that years.

 

stop spreading false assumptions

Axl was in the middle of recording vocals for the new album when Slash quit in October 1996

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19 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Axl was in the middle of recording vocals for the new album when Slash quit in October 1996

Then slash used songs for that album in Snakepit so Axl was angry about that.

Axl wanted the new band to feel their own and have an unique voice, its been documented as hell. He said that Madagascar was the first song he wrote vocals and sang in studio since Sympathy at least, documented by himself and Pitman.

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6 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

People assume it's from the mid-90s because Axl referred to the song as "Jackie Chan" in 2008, and there were rumours that a GNR song was supposed to be included in a Jackie Chan movie/soundtrack around 1996. But it's never been confirmed.

I think people just really desperately want to hear anything 'new' from Axl and Slash (see the reactions to Shadow Of Your Love last year for another example) so they convince themselves the songs are older than they really are.

Just to clarify, the song for the Jackie Chan movie wasn't just a rumour. It was mentioned by Duff in a 1996 interview at the time when the band was reconvening in the studio for what was meant to be Slash's last sessions. This is why the association was made after Axl referred to the song (until then only known under the made up title "Checkmate") as Jackie Chan.

Of course it's possible that it's a coincidence or that Axl was joking about the Jackie Chan title. But I think it's legitimate to assume that it could be the same song Duff had mentioned.

Moreover: Iirc Tommy had said that the vault included songs that were written before the classic lineup broke up, which would see the light of the day someday. And Marc Canter said that Axl had told him in 2001 that he was thinking of using songs Slash had written on and he would have Slash play on them if he apologised. So there were songs from that time, although most likely they were not completed in 1996. 

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8 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said:

Then slash used songs for that album in Snakepit so Axl was angry about that.

Axl wanted the new band to feel their own and have an unique voice, its been documented as hell. He said that Madagascar was the first song he wrote vocals and sang in studio since Sympathy at least, documented by himself and Pitman.

No - Slash presented the Snakepit demos to Axl in 1994

Axl rejected them and Slash released them as his first album in early 1995

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8 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Just to clarify, the song for the Jackie Chan movie wasn't just a rumour. It was mentioned by Duff in a 1996 interview at the time when the band was reconvening in the studio for what was meant to be Slash's last sessions. This is why the association was made after Axl referred to the song (until then only known under the made up title "Checkmate") as Jackie Chan.

Of course it's possible that it's a coincidence or that Axl was joking about the Jackie Chan title. But I think it's legitimate to assume that it could be the same song Duff had mentioned.

Moreover: Iirc Tommy had said that the vault included songs that were written before the classic lineup broke up, which would see the light of the day someday. And Marc Canter said that Axl had told him in 2001 that he was thinking of using songs Slash had written on and he would have Slash play on them if he apologised. So there were songs from that time, although most likely they were not completed in 1996. 

There was a quote from Fortus where he said something to effect of, they were working on songs that Slash "planted the seed" for. So yea, it's definitely possible that parts of what became CD-era songs originated in the early-mid 90s, but I don't believe any full songs transferred over. At most, I'd think the odd riff or piece of a solo would be re-worked, aside from maybe Down By The Ocean since that was specifically mentioned by Axl in 2008.

I know Axl mentioned the possibility of having Slash play on 3 songs, but I don't know if Hardschool would've been one of them. The vocals and lyrics seem to be from after Slash left the band, so who knows how much (if any) of the song originated in those mid-90s sessions. But I would assume that even if parts of the "Jackie Chan" song ended up in Hardschool, overall they would be significantly different songs. Hardschool just doesn't really sound like something Slash would come up with, especially compared to what he was playing on the Snakepit albums.

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8 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

There was a quote from Fortus where he said something to effect of, they were working on songs that Slash "planted the seed" for. So yea, it's definitely possible that parts of what became CD-era songs originated in the early-mid 90s, but I don't believe any full songs transferred over. At most, I'd think the odd riff or piece of a solo would be re-worked, aside from maybe Down By The Ocean since that was specifically mentioned by Axl in 2008.

I know Axl mentioned the possibility of having Slash play on 3 songs, but I don't know if Hardschool would've been one of them. The vocals and lyrics seem to be from after Slash left the band, so who knows how much (if any) of the song originated in those mid-90s sessions. But I would assume that even if parts of the "Jackie Chan" song ended up in Hardschool, overall they would be significantly different songs. Hardschool just doesn't really sound like something Slash would come up with, especially compared to what he was playing on the Snakepit albums.

Actually we were discussing this a couple of pages back in this thread with @SoulMonster and some other posters.

A theory is that the main part of HS (the verse-chorus part) without lyrics yet was written by Axl (or co-written by Axl and Huge), then worked on by Duff and Matt and then maybe Slash added guitar on it, a solo etc. Then, after Slash left, it was reworked by Finck etc with new guitar parts and Axl wrote lyrics on it - or maybe it had different lyrics initially, when it was supposed to be for the Jackie Chan movie, and then Axl replaced them with the ones of Hardschool. And maybe the lyrics changed again after that and that's why Axl referred to it with its initial working title, "Jackie Chan" and not as Hardschool. 

But, of course, all this is just speculation.

I'm so curious about it that the main reason I wanted/want them to play HS live is that Axl would have to introduce it somehow, and hopefully he would say something about its origins. :lol: 

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Unreleased songs with vocals that have leaked:

Hardschool

Atlas Shrugged

Perhaps

State of Grace

Eye on You

Quick Song (only guide vocals - no lyrics)

Nothing (same line repeated)

Silkworms

Going Down (Tommy Stinson vocals)

Tommy Demo #1 (Tommy Stinson vocals)

Knocking On Heaven's Door 

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Leaked rough mixes with vocals of songs that made CD:

Chinese Democracy

The Blues

Catcher In The Rye

Madagascar

TWAT

Prostitute

IRS

Rhiad 

If The World

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Seven hasn't leaked.

 

Awesome thanks man!

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39 minutes ago, Creed said:

dont forget fall to pieces. the riff is from the 1996? sessions as well. and yeah, i know. it was actually used in one of the yesterdays demo as well.

Wow, I’m surprised that I never noticed that, but you’re right! The FTP intro is pretty similar to the intro from the Rumbo demo of Yesterdays. 

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The solo section of Mustache is cool as shit (Bucket?).

The middle section of Tonto is also cool (palmmuted possibly downtuned guitar?)

Fincks slow solo in Quick Song is very nice

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5 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Actually we were discussing this a couple of pages back in this thread with @SoulMonster and some other posters.

A theory is that the main part of HS (the verse-chorus part) without lyrics yet was written by Axl (or co-written by Axl and Huge), then worked on by Duff and Matt and then maybe Slash added guitar on it, a solo etc. Then, after Slash left, it was reworked by Finck etc with new guitar parts and Axl wrote lyrics on it - or maybe it had different lyrics initially, when it was supposed to be for the Jackie Chan movie, and then Axl replaced them with the ones of Hardschool. And maybe the lyrics changed again after that and that's why Axl referred to it with its initial working title, "Jackie Chan" and not as Hardschool. 

But, of course, all this is just speculation.

I'm so curious about it that the main reason I wanted/want them to play HS live is that Axl would have to introduce it somehow, and hopefully he would say something about its origins. :lol: 

Yeah, we know the band (Axl, Duff, Matt), in 1996, worked on a song intended for a Jackie Chan movie. Who actually came up with the riff is unknown (maybe Axl, maybe Slash in the sporadic sessions in 1994, maybe Paul). Obviously, the song never ended up in any Jackie Chan movies. The lyrics were likely either written, or re-written, after Slash's departure since they do seem to be about Axl's disappointment with Slash's decisions. In 2008 Axl referred to Hard School (then known in fan communities as Checkmate) as Jackie Chan, with some fans dismissing this as a joke. It is a weird type of joke to make and I find it much more likely he still remembered the song by its original working title Jackie Chan.

Btw, Axl was a big Jackie Chan fan.

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Rumble In The Bronx was released 2/23/1996 in the US, which would place it firmly in the "time when Axl hated Slash" period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_in_the_Bronx

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New Line Cinema edit
New Line Cinema acquired the film for international distribution and commissioned a new music score and English dub (with participation from Jackie Chan). A scene of Keung's airplane flying into John F. Kennedy International Airport was added to the opening credits. Three scenes were added exclusively for the international version: a shot of the syndicate's car pulling up to the diamond deal, Keung and Nancy escaping from the nightclub after the bikers spot them together, and White Tiger taking a golf shot before a subordinate approaches him with his phone. None of these scenes were in the original Hong Kong release. In comparison to the Hong Kong version, 17 minutes of cuts were made, and the new English dub changed some of the context of the characters' conversations. Keung being a cop and having a girlfriend in Hong Kong is never mentioned. Keung's father being shot by a robber years ago is also not mentioned. In the New Line Cinema edit, Elaine buys the grocery store upon her first meeting with Uncle Bill, but in the Hong Kong version, she decides to buy the market at Bill's wedding.

The new soundtrack replaced Chan's song over the closing credits with the song "Kung Fu" by the band Ash, the lyrics of which mention Jackie Chan, as well as other Asian figures and characters ubiquitous in the west.

 

I betcha that closing credit song was supposed to be "Hard School" at one point (or Axl submitted Hard School for consideration and the producers chose "Kung Fu" instead)

Here's the credits:

 

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11 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Rumble In The Bronx was released 2/23/1996 in the US, which would place it firmly in the "time when Axl hated Slash" period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_in_the_Bronx

This doesn't fit the timeline though, because the interview Duff mentioned it was on July 25, 1996 and he referred to it as something they were about to record.

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15 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

This doesn't fit the timeline though, because the interview Duff mentioned it was on July 25, 1996 and he referred to it as something they were about to record.

Had to be Mr. Nice Guy then - it was released 1/31/1997 worldwide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Nice_Guy_(1997_film)

So they probably recorded Hard School for it, but Axl pulled the song after Slash quit in October 1996

EDIT: I just pulled up Mr. Nice Guy on a bootleg site and the end credits are almost EXACTLY 4:12 long, which is the same length as Hard School!

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Im glad these didnt leak before the album... i would been very disipointed about the album... like the song chinese democracy.,. Much better raw ..and alot more tracks that should been on the album if you ask me....but im glad Now... 

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7 hours ago, wrolk said:

Im glad these didnt leak before the album... i would been very disipointed about the album... like the song chinese democracy.,. Much better raw ..and alot more tracks that should been on the album if you ask me....but im glad Now... 

I think Axl musically lost sight of the initial idea. It's especially noticeable when I listen to Catcher, but it's almost on every Chinese track there are some elements that detract from the core idea of the song. I like the official version, it's not all bad.

Some additions did elevate the songs, especially Bucket's contributions imo, but after listening to this year's leaks, it's clear a lot of the tunes had a certain feel to them which was lost. Tommy got fucked, and the album must have been a real nightmare to mix. Zutaut was right. Josh's drums were brilliant and it's a real shame about Tommy's work cause it's cool as hell on the leaks. Riad was 10 times more powerful.

Chinese Democracy the song was much more powerful as well and to the point. I like both versions equally. Bucket's solo after Robin is great like everything he is playing here, but the verses could have benefited from Tommy's bass just thumping away and then the guitars could come in for the chorus in full blast. Kinda like a Nirvana song with a quiet/loud dynamic.

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9 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

Had to be Mr. Nice Guy then - it was released 1/31/1997 worldwide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Nice_Guy_(1997_film)

So they probably recorded Hard School for it, but Axl pulled the song after Slash quit in October 1996

EDIT: I just pulled up Mr. Nice Guy on a bootleg site and the end credits are almost EXACTLY 4:12 long, which is the same length as Hard School!

Obsessed in seeing what isnt there, oh my

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17 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said:

Obsessed in seeing what isnt there, oh my

On 12/1/2019 at 12:19 PM, Bucketdude_666 said:

Hardschool and Oklahoma/Berlin are from 1998-1999 wheter you like it or not

Oklahoma City Bombing happened in April 1995, friend

So you're saying Axl waited 3-4 years to write an instrumental song about it?

Really?

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On 4/12/2019 at 12:40 AM, jackparker123 said:

When exactly did we last receive communication from The Chairman?

It's not looking great for further leaks now is it?

If we don't hear anything from him by the time the Christmas period is over and done with it's safe to assume he's done.

I miss the chairman

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