Sweersa Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jw224 said: The lists are fake guys. 200% 0% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sweersa said: 0% You believe, that it's real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZODIAC said: You believe, that it's real? The one I talked about is real. It was from 2008, so at this point I'm sure an eventual release will look different, but no doubt some of the songs will be on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 3 hours ago, HOOSIER GUNZ said: good to see some healthy speculation floating around...some of the stories bubbling up are pretty cool to if true What stories are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 13 hours ago, Sweersa said: It is what CAFC Nick posted. That list is from January 24, 2008. I've had it for almost ten years. I always believed it was real, but the locker leaks confirmed it with a number of song titles matching that were previously unheard of. (Like Perhaps and Nothin) I actually didn't even think Perhaps was a track, I thought it was in reference to an adjacent song in the list as being considered as an alt over another in the literal sense of the word "perhaps" Yeah, I don't think there has been any other reference to Perhaps or Nothing before the locker leaks so it would be a pretty big coincidence that they got two track titles right by chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Voodoochild said: Richard Fortus as a producer? Hahahahaha He does produce music! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, gavgnr said: He does produce music! Yes, but in his own work. Do you really think after a minimal input on CD, he would suddenly become a producer with Axl and Caram? And leave Slash out of it? And being so out of loop in those interviews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: Yes, but in his own work. Do you really think after a minimal input on CD, he would suddenly become a producer with Axl and Caram? And leave Slash out of it? And being so out of loop in those interviews? I wouldn’t put it past him to have some involvement in production, but all of this is moot if the list is BS which it most likely is. Jeez we need something positive from Guns right now 🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Jw224 said: The lists are fake guys. 200% We're not far off the stage where someone scrawling some 'tracklist' in crayon on a piece of toilet paper will be analysed and discussed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Cautions Made Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 why are some fans obsessed with making fake lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 13 hours ago, All Cautions Made said: why are some fans obsessed with making fake lists? Because the GNR online fanbase has no shortage of mentally ill or bored people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finck2006 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Voodoochild said: Yes, but in his own work. Do you really think after a minimal input on CD, he would suddenly become a producer with Axl and Caram? And leave Slash out of it? And being so out of loop in those interviews? He produced psychedelic furs, love spit love Edited April 28, 2020 by Finck2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Finck2006 said: He produced psychedelic furs, love spit love He was a band member, not an employee. It's a totally different scenario with a huge band with a lot more money involved. I'm not saying he's not capable, he has the chops. This guy is truly a talented professional, and I really like his guitar playing. I'm just saying that it seems very odd that Axl would want him to produce this record with Slash and Duff back in the band. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Have listened to the Chinese Democracy takes from the Leaks again and I know this has been discussed previously but one thing that I thought about again and it really amazes me. Chinese Democracy (RM1) vs. Chinese Democracy (2007 first leak) - the way they nerfed the bass on this is and replaced it with weak synths is truly staggering to me. Assuming this was done as part of the infamous story of RTB making them re-record the whole thing so I can really see why Tommy hated him. Quite staggering the idea of Axl being in the studio, listening to the 2007 first leak version and thinking "Yes, that's better!". Wow. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumcheecksmcghee Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said: Have listened to the Chinese Democracy takes from the Leaks again and I know this has been discussed previously but one thing that I thought about again and it really amazes me. Chinese Democracy (RM1) vs. Chinese Democracy (2007 first leak) - the way they nerfed the bass on this is and replaced it with weak synths is truly staggering to me. Assuming this was done as part of the infamous story of RTB making them re-record the whole thing so I can really see why Tommy hated him. Quite staggering the idea of Axl being in the studio, listening to the 2007 first leak version and thinking "Yes, that's better!". Wow. Thought the same thing... The bass in chi dem demo is badass... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, CAFC Nick said: Have listened to the Chinese Democracy takes from the Leaks again and I know this has been discussed previously but one thing that I thought about again and it really amazes me. Chinese Democracy (RM1) vs. Chinese Democracy (2007 first leak) - the way they nerfed the bass on this is and replaced it with weak synths is truly staggering to me. Assuming this was done as part of the infamous story of RTB making them re-record the whole thing so I can really see why Tommy hated him. Quite staggering the idea of Axl being in the studio, listening to the 2007 first leak version and thinking "Yes, that's better!". Wow. I don't think Axl even remembered how the CD from 2001 sounded. He was just adding shit up and making it sound bloated within time. But how accurate is this re-record thing RTB asked for? A lot of guitars (including leads) in the demos sounded the exact same to me in the album version, just heavily muffled in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: I don't think Axl even remembered how the CD from 2001 sounded. He was just adding shit up and making it sound bloated within time. But how accurate is this re-record thing RTB asked for? A lot of guitars (including leads) in the demos sounded the exact same to me in the album version, just heavily muffled in the mix. It's a good point regarding guitars (solos especially - The Blues, CD, ITW, IRS) but there are definitely changes, at least to my ears anyway, between some of the rhythms. E.g. - Chinese Democracy -- opening guitars are almost certainly re-recorded, much more industrial sound to the riff, plus its the original short intro. Also that bass - I haven't listened to the MOGGs so it could just be that the volume was majorly reduced. - Rhiad -- As above, more industrial sounding rhythm. Album version had the rhythms re-recorded, i think by Ron(?), a bit more loose and "sleazy" - IRS -- Barely listen to the version from RM1 but some of rhythm removed and replaced, very noticable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 10 hours ago, CAFC Nick said: It's a good point regarding guitars (solos especially - The Blues, CD, ITW, IRS) but there are definitely changes, at least to my ears anyway, between some of the rhythms. E.g. - Chinese Democracy -- opening guitars are almost certainly re-recorded, much more industrial sound to the riff, plus its the original short intro. Also that bass - I haven't listened to the MOGGs so it could just be that the volume was majorly reduced. - Rhiad -- As above, more industrial sounding rhythm. Album version had the rhythms re-recorded, i think by Ron(?), a bit more loose and "sleazy" - IRS -- Barely listen to the version from RM1 but some of rhythm removed and replaced, very noticable. You're right in those three. But in Riad the guitars are still there, just mixed together in the left channel to give room for the new Bumblefoot layer. IRS seems like it actually had a lot of the rhythm guitars re-recorded. But the lead (Robin's licks) in the slow part are the there. Both of his solos sound the same to me too, but the slow one was re-amped to have more gain. It's funny how the Josh Freese version have this totally different arrangement, though. Maybe when Brain re-recorded someone thought it would sound better with a different guitar approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 29/04/2020 at 1:47 PM, Voodoochild said: I don't think Axl even remembered how the CD from 2001 sounded. He was just adding shit up and making it sound bloated within time. But how accurate is this re-record thing RTB asked for? A lot of guitars (including leads) in the demos sounded the exact same to me in the album version, just heavily muffled in the mix. A lot of guitar parts were re-amped. Same part just re-recorded after being re-amped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, rumandraisin said: A lot of guitar parts were re-amped. Same part just re-recorded after being re-amped Yeah, I even gave an example (Robin's IRS lead) in the post before yours. I believe it's also the case with Chinese rhythm guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) On 4/29/2020 at 5:27 AM, bumcheecksmcghee said: Thought the same thing... The bass in chi dem demo is badass... That bass is amazing. I'd rather have that than the keyboards or whatever was in the first leak from 2007, and over Bumble's leads on the album version too, though all are cool in their own way IMO, but I'd vote for the bass over it all. I do like the later and final intro though. Edited April 30, 2020 by Sweersa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finck2006 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sweersa said: That bass is amazing. I'd rather have that than the keyboards or whatever was in the first leak from 2007, and over Bumble's leads on the album version too, though all are cool in their own way IMO, but I'd vote for the bass over it all. I do like the later and final intro though. Caram buried Tommys bass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Wasn't just the title track that had great bass that got buried in the mix. TWAT and Riad had some really good bass parts, the latter especially is almost bass-driven in the demos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Amir said: Wasn't just the title track that had great bass that got buried in the mix. TWAT and Riad had some really good bass parts, the latter especially is almost bass-driven in the demos. I wonder if the CD2 tracks (in their final form with Duff) will have the bass mixed better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GNRfanMILO Posted April 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sweersa said: I wonder if the CD2 tracks (in their final form with Duff) will have the bass mixed better. Considering current Gn'R is a 3-man-band (that's how they portrait it on every single social media post, advertisement, etc) , I expect lots of Slash and Duff on the mix. I'm so looking forward to the new record. Stripped-down Chinese II with Slash's input could be amazing if done right (no generic crap, I'm sure Slash has some cool riffs and ideas saved for the ocasion). And some new tunes of course. I hope they keep old Axl vocals on the CD songs and new Axl on the others (maybe new vocals on the 95/96 sessions too). That's basically a Gn'R album that represents the last 25 years of the band, a hybrid of the 3 eras. EDIT: I'd love to read your opinion @Gibsonfender2323! Edited April 30, 2020 by GNRfanMILO 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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