Sweersa Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, Finck2006 said: Cd Maddy and The Blues were so much better on lockers leak than the final product. Only TWAT got some improvement ( the leak from 2006 w/Bucket) the best version ever I agree, I also liked the locker If The World (minus the weird high pitched sounds) and Riad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I used to be baffled as to why they never kept the guitar intro to The Blues, but having heard the studio takes, it doesn't capture the same energy that it did live and thus I feel that the album version is better. I'd say the same for Madagascar, Prostitute and most definitely There Was A Time among others. I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, Dean said: I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!! I'm thankful we got a nice quality version of the '99 (or 2000) Catcher. It sounds exactly like the old leak, but with the added guitar in the intro that was also on the album version, and of course in way, way better quality. The old IRS also sounds better than the previous '99 leak, though I never really cared for that song much in general. Like many of us have said many times, a 1999 or 2000 release of CD with the follow-up in 2002-2004 with Buckethead and Brain would have been amazing, with another album following with Ashba and Bumble (or whomever), then an additional album with the reunion lineup in or around 2016. All of that would have happened, in a perfect world. We need a dimensional traveler to get us those alt timeline albums. Haha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Dean said: I used to be baffled as to why they never kept the guitar intro to The Blues, but having heard the studio takes, it doesn't capture the same energy that it did live and thus I feel that the album version is better. I'd say the same for Madagascar, Prostitute and most definitely There Was A Time among others. I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!! I really like the final version but totally agree with this - this version is a proper punch in the face....no OTT effects and proper bass heavy too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Matinator Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Matinator said: Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though. The mix with the old Josh drums is my favorite. The keyboard synth or whatever it is in the background seems to be louder in that mix, you can hear it in the early live versions too. They are either removed, or buried too far in the mix of the album version for me to notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Finck2006 said: Cd Maddy and The Blues were so much better on lockers leak than the final product. Only TWAT got some improvement ( the leak from 2006 w/Bucket) the best version ever Prostitute was better on final album....probably about 1/4 of the album was improved actually with the rest being better back in 2000(ish)....IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, The Matinator said: Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though. My only issue with the final mix, beyond removing the badass guitar lick that made the song feel like an Illusions era tune, is that when you listen to the Village Session versions and come back to the final album version, the drums on the final version sound so tame and quiet in the mix overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 9 hours ago, DTJ80 said: Prostitute was better on final album....probably about 1/4 of the album was improved actually with the rest being better back in 2000(ish)....IMO The Bucket stuff vastly improved the album. All the other tinkering did not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimisbatman Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I was previously a fierce advocate for the village versions of the album songs, however, over time I am gradually moving to the anti/MSL leaks for my 'go to' versions. With saying that, when I have a spare hour, and intently listen with high quality headphones, and want to drift off into 'fantasy and dream of what could have been', nothing beats the Josh/pre RTB versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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betterman Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. Any opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, betterman said: There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. Any opinions? Interesting rumor. If I had to guess, I would say they are different songs. I'm not convinced State Of Grace advanced much, if at all beyond the demo we heard. I hope I'm wrong, as I think that it is a great song in need of finishing and then released officially. It would make a great album closer, with such intense vocals in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchel2 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 hours ago, betterman said: There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. Any opinions? I don't think so. the General was written by Brain and State of Grace is from Beavan sesions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 5 hours ago, betterman said: There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. Any opinions? Bill Brasky is a troll and a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Yeh I don’t think that’s true. Totally different tunes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said: State of Grace is my fav of the leaks would be gutted if we never hear a final version ... But this is GNR Aye, I agree, it's definitely my fave too. Really like that track to be honest. Most of the other songs/ideas are fairly underwhelming to me. Though I think we are now legally obliged to say that Atlas Shrugged is possibly the greatest piece of music never released! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 17 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: Bill Brasky is a troll and a liar. Everything is an early version of The General ffs. I thought Millionaire was last time I was on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumcheecksmcghee Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 21 hours ago, lukepowell1988 said: Heard this rumour a while back it makes sense to me if you compare the vocal pattern to the cell phone recording it is similar. Been saying that for years too... Def can hear the same patterns from that audio phone call. Especially the "oh my love what can it be blinded by grace with me", part. Would love to hear a final mix one day too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I can hear a similarity with Billionaire but not SOG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 What's the general view on Nothing??! I've heard it sounds like elevator music! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, 19AT5 said: What's the general view on Nothing??! I've heard it sounds like elevator music! Before it leaked, someone described it as "GNR meets Pink Floyd." Man it was disappointing to finally hear it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jettesnel Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, 19AT5 said: What's the general view on Nothing??! I've heard it sounds like elevator music! Sounds like one of those songs that was already downloaded on a phone when you bought it back in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said: Before it leaked, someone described it as "GNR meets Pink Floyd." Man it was disappointing to finally hear it... And it made it to CD2 according to that proposed 2008 track list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: And it made it to CD2 according to that proposed 2008 track list. I assume it was overhauled by 2008, like Shackler's was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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