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His story is probably fake. He says stuff like 'the famous The General'. Famous to who? Only nerds like us know the stuff. The fact that he mentioned so many correct titles after all the years sounds fishy, too.

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Let's just make this clear. We will not allow any discussion relating to any correspondence that was intended to be private.  This is none of our business and just as we would want others to resp

Even though the content of the storage locker wasn't intended to be released by its creator, I'm glad I got to hear it. It's music. But private e-mails are another story. As much as curious I am

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39 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Hmm... The guy says that by the end of 2006 there were 23/24 songs with full vocals, and says that Silkworms didn't have full vocals. However, in the list he posted earlier ("Songs stated in two parts for final mastering in 26 feb 2006") there are 26 different titles including Silkworms. If Silkworms was stated for final mastering, doesn't it mean it had full vocals? Something doesn't add up here. Then he listed 4 titles which he says didn't have vocals at the time (Feb. 26), and among them are TIL and Lies They Tell that made the album (so, if this information is taken in face value, the vocals on those two were recorded after that time). Shackler's Revenge (which he says in the other post that was added later) is not included in the "final mastering" list. 

So, based on his somewhat confusing posts, the songs that remain are not 8-9. If there were 26 songs with vocals in early 2006, according to his list, plus three that had vocals recorded later, there were 29 songs with vocals in 2008 (supposing Axl didn't record anything else) - of which 14 made the album and one was Oh My God. So there were 14 more completed songs.

 

 

14 minus

Atlas, hardschool, perhaps, state of grace 

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7 minutes ago, ZODIAC said:

14 minus

Atlas, hardschool, perhaps, state of grace 

His post was not about songs that haven't leaked, it was about how many songs Axl had besides what made CD, and he claims they couldn't fill even a second full album, only an EP. But the list he posted contradicts this claim.

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7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Hmm... The guy says that by the end of 2006 there were 23/24 songs with full vocals, and says that Silkworms didn't have full vocals. However, in the list he posted earlier ("Songs stated in two parts for final mastering in 26 feb 2006") there are 26 different titles including Silkworms. If Silkworms was stated for final mastering, doesn't it mean it had full vocals? Something doesn't add up here. Then he listed 4 titles which he says didn't have vocals at the time (Feb. 26), and among them are TIL and Lies They Tell that made the album (so, if this information is taken in face value, the vocals on those two were recorded after that time). Shackler's Revenge (which he says in the other post that was added later) is not included in the "final mastering" list. 

So, based on his somewhat confusing posts, the songs that remain are not 8-9. If there were 26 songs with vocals in early 2006, according to his list, plus three that had vocals recorded later, there were 29 songs with vocals in 2008 (supposing Axl didn't record anything else) - of which 14 made the album and one was Oh My God. So there were 14 more completed songs.

 

 

He could very well be describing either version of silkworms that leaked, neither of them have  lot of vocals compared to the live versions. I also think he might have been saying there were 8-9 songs that he deemed quality for release, bug who knows.

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From what he heard in the leaks, it seems to me that there were a lot more stuff going on, but not everybody was working with everything they had.

If what this guys says is true, he was just working on the CD version that had no Bumble and/or Frank, which was their plan at least in early 2006. This is exactly the Andy Wallace mixes leaked on Antiquet were from that batch and didn't include Shacklers, Scraped and This I Love, nor any overdubs by Frank or Bumble. Also, for some reason I think Axl didn't really considered Catcher until Bumble came in and reworked it in late 2006 or early 2007. 

The other songs seems like a mix of some of the demos from the Village and one or two newer stuff, like The General. Still, it all dates from 2000 to 2003 at best. I believe Bucket's departure was a huge deal in the creativity process for the band, but there's no way the other guys would just sit on their previous ideas and rework them without bringing absolutely not a single new track post-Bucket era. 

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18 hours ago, ZODIAC said:

If i remember correctly, cuban skies was first mentioned in that weird carebear video from MSL, a few years ago.....

This is the first time i remember hearing the title.

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1 hour ago, Voodoochild said:

From what he heard in the leaks, it seems to me that there were a lot more stuff going on, but not everybody was working with everything they had.

If what this guys says is true, he was just working on the CD version that had no Bumble and/or Frank, which was their plan at least in early 2006. This is exactly the Andy Wallace mixes leaked on Antiquet were from that batch and didn't include Shacklers, Scraped and This I Love, nor any overdubs by Frank or Bumble. Also, for some reason I think Axl didn't really considered Catcher until Bumble came in and reworked it in late 2006 or early 2007. 

The other songs seems like a mix of some of the demos from the Village and one or two newer stuff, like The General. Still, it all dates from 2000 to 2003 at best. I believe Bucket's departure was a huge deal in the creativity process for the band, but there's no way the other guys would just sit on their previous ideas and rework them without bringing absolutely not a single new track post-Bucket era. 

Oh Axl... :facepalm::lol: I know I've been pretty outspoken about how I think Ron's CITR solo is horribly misplaced in this tune, but my god how he can go from a Brian May one to that is beyond me.

In addition, would love to understand what alternative solos are essentially in the vault, e.g. Was there ever a Bucket or Robin Catcher solo? (in the years between Brian May and BBF) Was there ever a Richard Fortus SOD solo recorded? (he did outro solo live one Bucket had left). Interesting stuff!

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31 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Oh Axl... :facepalm::lol: I know I've been pretty outspoken about how I think Ron's CITR solo is horribly misplaced in this tune, but my god how he can go from a Brian May one to that is beyond me.

In addition, would love to understand what alternative solos are essentially in the vault, e.g. Was there ever a Bucket or Robin Catcher solo? (in the years between Brian May and BBF) Was there ever a Richard Fortus SOD solo recorded? (he did outro solo live one Bucket had left). Interesting stuff!

Good questions. I would give a lot to have a Shackler's close to the album version with the Bucket solo. (The one you can barely hear from the multitrack under Axl's vocals)

The village Shackler's is quite a bit different all around, but has a different Bucket solo as well but I do not think it's the same as the above.

I have heard whispers about a Catcher with a Bucket solo, I recall hearing it was similar, or based on May's solo, but with Bucket's feel of course. Apparently it was closer to May's solo than the one by Ron. I remember asking a hoarder about it, he claimed to have most stuff from RTB sessions, he said something like: "Who hasn't recorded a solo for Catcher?" when asked about alt Catcher solos, so he implied there were many different solos. Could have been BS, it was that "card" guy. 

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Just now, Sweersa said:

Good questions. I would give a lot to have a Shackler's close to the album version with the Bucket solo. (The one you can barely hear from the multitrack under Axl's vocals)

The village Shackler's is quite a bit different all around, but has a different Bucket solo as well but I do not think it's the same as the above.

I have heard whispers about a Catcher with a Bucket solo, I recall hearing it was similar, or based on May's solo, but with Bucket's feel of course. Apparently it was closer to May's solo than the one by Ron.

Absolutely, the Shackler's one I imagine to be quite different to the Shankler solo and as you said the one that is inaudible sounds a lot different to quite a simple solo on Shankler's.

Going back to CITR, I checked the liner notes again and it actually lists a Robin solo which I'm quite surprised about - I imagine this is the quiet, under-the-vocals solo approx 3:40-3:55 @Voodoochild what do you think? Would absolutely love to hear all of the different solos by the different guitarists through the ages, would make a really intriguing listen!

7. CATCHER IN THE RYE
(Rose, Tobias)

Drums: Brain
Bass: Tommy Stinson
Guitars: Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal, Robin Finck, Paul Tobias
Keyboards: Chris Pitman, Dizzy Reed
Piano: Axl Rose
Guitar Solos: Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal, Robin Finck, Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal
Background Vocals: Axl Rose
Vocals: Axl Rose

 

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49 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Was there ever a Bucket or Robin Catcher solo? (in the years between Brian May and BBF) Was there ever a Richard Fortus SOD solo recorded? (he did outro solo live one Bucket had left). Interesting stuff!

I'm pretty sure there was a Robin Catcher solo, as Brian May joined because Axl was too attached to Robin's works. 

About SOD: I believe the snippet we hear in the Boston 2002 promo (not the TV version, but the radio spot) has Richard's version of the outro solo.

13 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Absolutely, the Shackler's one I imagine to be quite different to the Shankler solo and as you said the one that is inaudible sounds a lot different to quite a simple solo on Shankler's.

Going back to CITR, I checked the liner notes again and it actually lists a Robin solo which I'm quite surprised about - I imagine this is the quiet, under-the-vocals solo approx 3:40-3:55 @Voodoochild what do you think? Would absolutely love to hear all of the different solos by the different guitarists through the ages, would make a really intriguing listen!

You're right about Robin - it's the lead following Axl's vocals. But it also complements Bumblefoot solo - Robin enters at 2:47 in the album version. You can hear it too in the Brian May demo. 

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4 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

I believe Bucket's departure was a huge deal in the creativity process for the band. 

100%. He is a true "artist", a creative genius.

And while the creativity in the band at least appears to have dried up, Bucket released 300+ albums.

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13 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

100%. He is a true "artist", a creative genius.

And while the creativity in the band at least appears to have dried up, Bucket released 300+ albums.

I'm still hopeful a lot of his contributions through GN'R see the light of day, officially or otherwise. 

ETA: Robin's too.

As many others have said, it is a shame the pre-reunion lineup only managed to get one album out. 

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22 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I'm still hopeful a lot of his contributions through GN'R see the light of day, officially or otherwise. 

ETA: Robin's too.

As many others have said, it is a shame the pre-reunion lineup only managed to get one album out. 

Fingers and toes crossed! Would love to hear more. Release a Buckethead "In Search Of The" style boxset if needed.

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I'm not sure exactly how this would work, if at all, and it would probably depend on several factors... but I am wondering would a band like GN'R keep several mixes of the same song, so they could properly master a "discarded" mix for official release?

In other words, if the band wanted to release a 1999, 2002, 2006, etc. version of a song, the entire album, or a collection of songs for whatever reason, could they? Obviously they probably have piles of CDs full of rough mixes (as we know) and computers full of the same with MP3, but out of whatever system or software they use for the source materials for mastering, could they or as a practice are older versions maintained for possible future releases, or do they update the existing "pro tools" session or whatever it is without archival backups, or the like.

Just curious! I'm sure someone with insight in the industry would know. 

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4 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

I'm pretty sure there was a Robin Catcher solo, as Brian May joined because Axl was too attached to Robin's works. 

About SOD: I believe the snippet we hear in the Boston 2002 promo (not the TV version, but the radio spot) has Richard's version of the outro solo.

You're right about Robin - it's the lead following Axl's vocals. But it also complements Bumblefoot solo - Robin enters at 2:47 in the album version. You can hear it too in the Brian May demo. 

The SOD snippet sounds great, and it definitely  has Richard solo on it. I hope we get that version someday

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3 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I'm not sure exactly how this would work, if at all, and it would probably depend on several factors... but I am wondering would a band like GN'R keep several mixes of the same song, so they could properly master a "discarded" mix for official release?

In other words, if the band wanted to release a 1999, 2002, 2006, etc. version of a song, the entire album, or a collection of songs for whatever reason, could they? Obviously they probably have piles of CDs full of rough mixes (as we know) and computers full of the same with MP3, but out of whatever system or software they use for the source materials for mastering, could they or as a practice are older versions maintained for possible future releases, or do they update the existing "pro tools" session or whatever it is without archival backups, or the like.

Just curious! I'm sure someone with insight in the industry would know. 

I’d imagine most bands would keep each version where possible for deluxe editions etc - even more likely if it’s digital files.

All depends on who is curating/looking after this stuff for a band. GNR may be a bit ‘hit n miss’ as evidenced by the fact reels of demos from the 90’s were found in a lock-up!

That said - I think it’s pretty nailed on that CD-era stuff is there in mass amounts. If we believe that Tom Zutaut really does have hundreds of discs.....you’d imagine Axl will have copies of these too.

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On 29/06/2020 at 12:09 AM, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Again, why is anyone believing this? What is the original source? Unless someone has proof Rick said this himself it seems like absolute BS.

The person who posted this is 99% Towel Waver, a troll who's been spamming other forums lately under multiple accounts, pretending to leak things, spreading nonsense as info and posting dumb lists/threads to his discord channels.

Not sure why it's even being taken seriously or why this thread was bumped @downzy.

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10 hours ago, CAFC Nick said:

Oh Axl... :facepalm::lol: I know I've been pretty outspoken about how I think Ron's CITR solo is horribly misplaced in this tune, but my god how he can go from a Brian May one to that is beyond me.

In addition, would love to understand what alternative solos are essentially in the vault, e.g. Was there ever a Bucket or Robin Catcher solo? (in the years between Brian May and BBF) Was there ever a Richard Fortus SOD solo recorded? (he did outro solo live one Bucket had left). Interesting stuff!

One would assume at least Robin laid down a solo at some point, I don’t have the CD booklet handy but I seem to remember that he played a the non-solo leads/guitar hooks/ whatever you call them.

A little off topic but you’d SOD comments made me wish the current band would do it with Slash doing the first solo & 4tus on the second.

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The truth is Axl needs to adapt GNR to the modernity
BMTH are gonna release 4 new albuns next year (and they already released one last year)

He needs to be more flexible, release more than just one album every decade, release more singles, etc....
But probably nothing will be released, that's a shame

Axl is a great example of a great artist who had so much potential but never reached it fully

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4 hours ago, mattromero said:

The truth is Axl needs to adapt GNR to the modernity
BMTH are gonna release 4 new albuns next year (and they already released one last year)

He needs to be more flexible, release more than just one album every decade, release more singles, etc....
But probably nothing will be released, that's a shame

Axl is a great example of a great artist who had so much potential but never reached it fully

He realized his potential and then some. Fuck he was a global force. This wasn’t some guy who if he tried harder would have accomplished more as an artist. People act as if he had something more to prove.

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