CD Leaks Discussion Thread **NO LINKS, NO ASKING / HINTING FOR LEAKS**

[Azifwekare 1,697]

5 hours ago, Amir said:

Can we please have a giant blood red letter overlay on MyGNR that says:

- The General is not Jackie Chan/Checkmate/Hard School

- There is only a shitty cell phone recording of The General + the (impressive) evader Remix, there are no other leaks

Don't forget:

- If you have found a "new leak", it is definitely Stephen Chesney/Chad Atkins

[rebeldhipi 114]

Yeah. The leaks are from 2000 so its what the album would have sounded in 2000. Not 1999.

See the difference on the old Catcher and TWAT leaks (from 1999 leaked in 2006)

 

Old IRS leak and the new one from last week seems to be the same.

[rocknroll41 2,463]

10 minutes ago, rebeldhipi said:

Yeah. The leaks are from 2000 so its what the album would have sounded in 2000. Not 1999.

See the difference on the old Catcher and TWAT leaks (from 1999 leaked in 2006)

 

Old IRS leak and the new one from last week seems to be the same.

Guess they didn’t feel the need to add anything to that song over the course of that year (1999-2000, I mean).

[Amir 3,736]

Are the sirens quieter in this IRS demo than the one we had before with sirens or is it just me?

[rocknroll41 2,463]

7 minutes ago, Amir said:

Are the sirens quieter in this IRS demo than the one we had before with sirens or is it just me?

Oh u may be right, actually!

[RussTCB 21,723]

45 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

Don't forget:

- If you have found a "new leak", it is definitely Stephen Chesney/Chad Atkins

My favorite is when someone posts it, I remove the post and send them a PM explaining why they're post was removed, they read it, then post the same thing again. 

That's the highlight of each and every day for me lol

27 minutes ago, Amir said:

Are the sirens quieter in this IRS demo than the one we had before with sirens or is it just me?

I actually need to dig further into the latest IRS leak. I heard it a few times but haven't really dug in to notice all the biggest differences between the album version and the latest leak. 

[Voodoochild 962]

1 hour ago, Amir said:

I think Madagascar came about in '98 since Youth is credited with "initial arrangement suggestions" and he came on board that year. Also sounds like Prostitute came about around that time and Axl finally started laying down vocals before firing Youth: http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3397

You're right, I was actually reading the 1997 stuff and somehow mistook Moby and Youth's work.

About IRS "sirenes", that's just a guitar feedback. The recording itself seems identical to the 2006 leak to me. 

[vloors 1,500]

4 hours ago, SeBaZ said:

...and gave some details of about the new album: He has 36 songs practically finished (one dedicated to John Lennon, another about child abuse), and there is a possibility that the album be double  (like UYI). One would be called Chinese Democracy and the other PRL

Really want to hear that PRL song now. Especially if its good enough for a album title track.

[Gimpy Hewitt 308]

Just heard a “Chinese Democracy ‘99 demo” on a certain video streaming platform and I can’t for sure tell if it’s real or not or something that’s already been in circulation. Someone please give their opinion on it

[Amir 3,736]

4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I still think Sorry, at least instrumentally, dates back to 1999. When Brain talks about re-recording Josh's parts he's mentioned "7-minute songs with drum solos at the end", Sorry is over 6 mins so not hard to believe he's talking about Sorry IMO.

I doubt it, since Brain and Scaturro have writing credits on it as with Shackler's. Also, looking at this again:

"B. Head cd" seems to be a reference to Buckethead CDs that I guess he handed in to be mixed. REAL DOLL.com, Shackler's Revenge, and I'm Sorry are all from these CDs, so I'm guessing I'm Sorry became Sorry, especially since the track length is only 14 seconds different from the final album version (and the intro on that is about 12 seconds long...). Who knows what REAL DOLL.com ended up being, though 

[jimisbatman 76]

On 30/08/2019 at 2:32 AM, rocknroll41 said:

Atlas (w/ May), Perhaps (w/ May), Silkworms (old chorus version), and (technically) the old single-version of OMG.

Is there a better sounding OMG out there? Why does the soundtrack version sound so low quality? 

[Flayer 166]

32 minutes ago, vloors said:

Really want to hear that PRL song now. Especially if its good enough for a album title track.

Well Chinese Democracy the song was certainly one of the weaker tracks on its own album, but we can still hope.

[Gackt 1,937]

10 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

Is there a better sounding OMG out there? Why does the soundtrack version sound so low quality? 

The version of OMG on End of Days is supposedly just a demo, and the final product would have shown up on the album.
Would have loved hearing the NITL line-up actually perform it after seeing it on their list of alternates.

[DeadSlash 726]

24 minutes ago, Gackt said:

The version of OMG on End of Days is supposedly just a demo, and the final product would have shown up on the album.
Would have loved hearing the NITL line-up actually perform it after seeing it on their list of alternates.

I can't see it with the tone Axl used for pretty much all of the NITL tour.  I don't think that would have sounded that great.

[rocknroll41 2,463]

38 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

Is there a better sounding OMG out there? Why does the soundtrack version sound so low quality? 

The soundtrack version is just a demo that the label forced out as a means of showing everyone “hey people, GnR still exists!”

there is a higher-quality version with some extra effects, a new lead guitar track from bumble, and a “stripped down” bridge where axl’s vocals are just over a drum machine loop and nothing else. It leaked last year.

49 minutes ago, Amir said:

I doubt it, since Brain and Scaturro have writing credits on it as with Shackler's. Also, looking at this again:

"B. Head cd" seems to be a reference to Buckethead CDs that I guess he handed in to be mixed. REAL DOLL.com, Shackler's Revenge, and I'm Sorry are all from these CDs, so I'm guessing I'm Sorry became Sorry, especially since the track length is only 14 seconds different from the final album version (and the intro on that is about 12 seconds long...). Who knows what REAL DOLL.com ended up being, though 

I bet the title Real Doll Dot Com is inspired by the porn bucket demanded he’d be able to watch while recording in his chicken coop studio.

[Amir 3,736]

If the World is an interesting one since it's in the overlap between Beavan and Brain.

The "initial production" credits from the album are a good insight into what was recorded when (also interesting to see Street of Dreams was called Stardust at one point, and Sorry was Sorry for You):

So the initial vocal tracks for the following were all recorded by Beavan between '98-'00:

1. Chinese Democracy

4. Street of dreams

5. If the World

6. There Was A Time

9. Riad N' The Bedouins

11. I.R.S.

12. Madagascar

14. Prostitute

I guess the changed verse/backing vocals for ChiDem, added outro lyrics to SoD, and backing vocals for TWAT were likely recorded by Caram. Madagascar and Prostitute look like the oldest tracks due to Youth's involvement. Sorry and Shackler's came with Bucket + Brain + Scaturro, and Scraped came about with Caram.

[Amir 3,736]

It's also interesting to see that Paul Tobias doesn't have any credits for 

2. Shackler's Revenge

8. Scraped

10. Sorry

13. This I Love

He was still in the band in '01 when the early versions of Shackler's and Sorry were born, but I guess they were mostly just Bucket n' Brain at that point.

[Amir 3,736]

Axl didn't lay vocals down for Shackler's until 2007, I'm guessing Sorry, Scraped and TIL didn't get vocals until around '06/'07 either. Crazy to think how they went back and forth between thirty-odd songs.

[NOVEMBER COMA 127]

23 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah I don’t see Silkworms, Going Down, or OMG ever making it onto a record at this point, which is fine imo. Make room for other songs!

Then why all the talk about Hardschool & Atlas? These are songs from decades ago. If the new album has guitar parts from anyone but Slash, Richard or Duff I will be pissed. 

[Amir 3,736]

Looking at the same page in the Grenade booklet, Stardust and Sorry for You are correctly named as Street of Dreams and Sorry... but somehow Shackler's got misspelled ("Shakler's")

[Lethalis 117]

11 hours ago, Jordan Rose said:

18 fucking years ago Axl was talking about The General being on CD1 and CD 2 being called PRL. 

And now he's nearly 60 and doesn't stand much chance of doing justice to any of this shit live. 

It's depressing isn't it?

It actually makes me wonder why I still care at all.

And everytime I actually hear a leak or a song that's new for me, I'm not exactly blown away by the material. It's mostly just "okay".

All this talk about the "big guns" still being unreleased 10 years ago... I'm starting to think the songs on Chinese Democracy were actually his best songs. When you think about it, why wouldn't he release his best material? He had something to prove...

Even though I'm still here, for some reason I'm starting to believe this is it. Nothing groundbreaking will happen. We might get to hear Thyme or Atlas at some point, but it will be a song from a forgotten era...

Meh.

[zigzagbigbag 508]

1 hour ago, Lethalis said:

It's depressing isn't it?

It actually makes me wonder why I still care at all.

And everytime I actually hear a leak or a song that's new for me, I'm not exactly blown away by the material. It's mostly just "okay".

All this talk about the "big guns" still being unreleased 10 years ago... I'm starting to think the songs on Chinese Democracy were actually his best songs. When you think about it, why wouldn't he release his best material? He had something to prove...

Even though I'm still here, for some reason I'm starting to believe this is it. Nothing groundbreaking will happen. We might get to hear Thyme or Atlas at some point, but it will be a song from a forgotten era...

Meh.

Agree. 

I do get that some of you love the CD era and therefore are excited for new leaks. But why on earth all this excitement for this specific song, the General?! Is it just because you know the name of it? 

Why do you expect it to be a killer song? Because of some snippet you heard? Wouldn’t it be released on CD if it’s that good?

By the way, Something similar happened in terms of Noel Gallagher/Oasis. There was this short soundcheck recording of Noel messing around with some tune which seemed to be called Stop the clocks. This was when the myth about this song as this one lost masterpiece started and lasted for years. Oasis even fueld it up by calling their first compilation Stop the clocks. Finally the song saw the light of the day as the last track of Noel‘s first solo record and you know what ... it was boring as hell. It was dropped from the setlist soon and nobody talked about it anymore. I wish you more luck with the General. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by zigzagbigbag

[Lio 4,542]

5 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Agree. 

I do get that some of you love the CD era and therefore are excited for new leaks. But why on earth all this excitement for this specific song, the General?! Is it just because you know the name of it? 

Why do you expect it to be a killer song? Because of some snippet you heard? Wouldn’t it be released on CD if it’s that good?

By the way, Something similar happened in terms of Noel Gallagher/Oasis. There was this short soundcheck recording of Noel messing around with some tune which seemed to be called Stop the clocks. This was when the myth about this song as this one lost masterpiece started and lasted for years. Oasis even fueld it up by calling their first compilation Stop the clocks. Finally the song saw the light of the day as the last track of Noel‘s first solo record and you know what ... it was boring as hell. It was dropped from the setlist soon and nobody talked about it anymore. I wish you more luck with the General. 

It's because of stuff that's been said about The General. Axl said it's the sequel to Estranged, which is a fan favourite epic, so obviously people expect a lot from that. And Sebastian Bach and MSL said it was heavy and with mean vocals or something similar.

And it's been said time and time again that Axl wanted to release a trilogy. So it makes sense not to waste all your big guns on one of the three. They withheld Don't Cry to, for example. So The General not being on CD doesn't say anything about its quality. They withheld Hardschool too, and most on here like or love the demo that's leaked.

But of course only the people who have heard it know for sure if it's as great as many expect it to be, and some will like it and others won't.

[guitarpatch 554]

6 hours ago, Amir said:

Axl didn't lay vocals down for Shackler's until 2007, I'm guessing Sorry, Scraped and TIL didn't get vocals until around '06/'07 either. Crazy to think how they went back and forth between thirty-odd songs.

Having 30 odd songs isn’t unheard of for making an album. Many pick the best that are completed, aren’t repetitive and seem to go together. Recording/working on all 30 plus past a demo stage is though.  If there truly is other A list material that was in completed form, that’s also maniacal 

[D.. 338]

I disagree completely, Hard School is proof all of the best material wasn't included on Chinese. I take HS over Scrap, Riad & If the world any day, by far. Even Shackler.

It may actually be in my top 3 CD era songs as of now.

The General sounds extremely promising from what I've figured the cell phone clip.

Still curious about the rest. I'm just surprised that many songs were actually almost finished by early 2001. This lineup was extremely productive.