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Axl: I also have a kick ass rocker Slash: Is it about me? Axl:...

I cannot wait for Soul Monster to leak so I can spend a disproportionate amount of time arguing with it.

In other words we can conclude it is entirely safe to leak. Let me repeat: IT IS ENTIRELY SAFE TO LEAK.

20 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

It is a rough demo of a work in progress song, I think that expectations for this in the case of some people are a bit high.

 

People get this idea of the phrase "big gun" in their head and think that their listening experience will be 10x that of November Rain while drinking the best single malt scotch on Christmas Day,  when in reality it is just a song - and in this case a song that is not properly mixed, not finished recording, and might be way more fully fleshed out by the time Bumble got to working on it in 2007

Good shout. But tbf we're all listening and posting in real time as we figure shit out. No other hardcore fans of a high profile artist have ever had to deal with what we have. 

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6 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

It is a rough demo of a work in progress song, I think that expectations for this in the case of some people are a bit high.

 

People get this idea of the phrase "big gun" in their head and think that their listening experience will be 10x that of November Rain while drinking the best single malt scotch on Christmas Day,  when in reality it is just a song - and in this case a song that is not properly mixed, not finished recording, and might be way more fully fleshed out by the time Bumble got to working on it in 2007

When I read about all the mystique that surrounded Chinese Democracy once upon a time, I was very intrigued and imagined this album full of songs on par with November Rain and Estranged.

Axl was going to show the world he didn't need Izzy, Slash or Duff... or anyone really.

I liked that idea... and from there it could only go south of course.

Because the reality is:

1. Most artists write their best songs in the beginning of their career.

2. The sound you came to love was a band effort. No solo effort is going to match that.

3. The media like to create hype, because they live of it (advertising income). Nothing of it is actually real.

I just fell for it I guess... I wanted to believe.

I'm stupid :-)

But alas... I learned. Not just with Axl and Guns N Roses btw. Artists create this hype all the time and then when you finally hear or see something it just can't live up to any of it.

Anyways... I saw Guns N Roses last year at a concert, had a blast... so I'm still thankful they are around and wish them the best. I really do.

But new music? Forget about it. It will never live up to the classics on AFD or UYI.

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I might be wrong, but I remember BBF saying that right up until the album was wrapped he was trying to somehow squeeze Atlas into CD, but couldn't. That means there must be a FINISHED Atlas somewhere in Axl's vault.

My money is on it being exactly the same vocal take with re-recorded drums, extra layers of sound on top, clips of Malcolm X speeches, Andean condors squawking in the distance, and Ron's rushed noodling replacing Brian's work. But who knows, it might end up being the only song with vocals we know of so far that actually evolved somewhere between 1999 and 2008.

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27 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

It is a rough demo of a work in progress song, I think that expectations for this in the case of some people are a bit high.

 

People get this idea of the phrase "big gun" in their head and think that their listening experience will be 10x that of November Rain while drinking the best single malt scotch on Christmas Day,  when in reality it is just a song - and in this case a song that is not properly mixed, not finished recording, and might be way more fully fleshed out by the time Bumble got to working on it in 2007

 

A big song doesn't need a big production. 

 

Proof: November Rain acoustic demo, or the piano version. Bad quality sound, very high quality song

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9 minutes ago, El Nono Pololo said:

I might be wrong, but I remember BBF saying that right up until the album was wrapped he was trying to somehow squeeze Atlas into CD, but couldn't. That means there must be a FINISHED Atlas somewhere in Axl's vault.

My money is on it being exactly the same vocal take with re-recorded drums, extra layers of sound on top, clips of Malcolm X speeches, Andean condors squawking in the distance, and Ron's rushed noodling replacing Brian's work. But who knows, it might end up being the only song with vocals we know of so far that actually evolved somewhere between 1999 and 2008.

Ok, I lol'd at this. Mostly because I'm sure that's EXACTLY how the newest version sounds. They can keep it in the vaults. 

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It really bothers me that some people are giving terrible reviews to this song. It’s a demo!!!! What if the title to this thread had the word “demo” or “rough mix” in it? Would you people still be so harsh? 

I highly, highly doubt satisfaction, teenage wasteland, wish you were here, etc. would be legendary songs if the operational demo track was released.

Do people think artists go to a studio, record the vocals, bass, guitar, and drums all in one take? The engineer or producer then click “burn” and magically the world gets a generational song?

This song CLEARLY could be a hit once the final version was released (or leaked). 

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6 minutes ago, SeBaZ said:

 

A big song doesn't need a big production. 

 

Proof: November Rain acoustic demo, or the piano version. Bad quality sound, very high quality song

Right but November Rain also wouldn't have been a hit if it was just a really long piano and vocals only demo - the arrangement and mix of a song really matters.  So I just feel like going "this was supposed to be one of the big guns, this sucks", at an unfinished recording, unfinished mix rough demo from 2000 may be an indication of high expectations or expecting this to be a finished recording.  

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I kind of look forward to fan mixes of these demos + the officially released stuff to make a better album than whatever Axl came up with

People had been doing that with the Beach Boys SMILE album for years before Brian finally went back through all the material and properly recorded the album the way he originally intended

I hope Axl doesn't wait until he's 70 to start doing that

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Lol at Slash not wanting to make Soundgarden/Pearl Jam/more ballads then going on to form VR and do a bunch of STP songs, and all the stuff Axl was writing that wasn't Buckethead driven songs (which came after slash's replacement was replace) sounds like it could have been on UYI 3 in 1993. Obviously the musical differences was not the real issue between those two and that part of the break up history can probably be retired.

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2 minutes ago, Stro said:

Lol at Slash not wanting to make Soundgarden/Pearl Jam/more ballads then going on to form VR and do a bunch of STP songs, and all the stuff Axl was writing that wasn't Buckethead driven songs (which came after slash's replacement was replace) sounds like it could have been on UYI 3 in 1993. Obviously the musical differences was not the real issue between those two and that part of the break up history can probably be retired.

The difference from afar looks more like Axl wasn’t in writing mode/wanted to flesh out songs to get inspired and Slash wanted to lay down his riffs and get on the road. Prob more wrong time/wrong place for them in their lives at that point to be working together.

If Slash was locked in rehearsals/studio for years on end for an Axl approved album, it probably would have killed him before it was finished  

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