Tom-Ass Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gunsdrummer63 said: which is understandable but with the current state of music could it fail? Shadow of Your Love was a B side turn single and did decent. If Hard School or an upbeat rocker like it was released I think i'd do quite well. I am not worried about it being successful, I would just want it to be on par or at least close to as good as their classic stuff. I am assuming it will be successful on the charts either way. Edited November 5, 2019 by Tom-Ass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The biggest draw for me in GNR is Axl’s creative input- it’s why Chinese is my favorite album of all time. The shows are a blast and I love seeing some of the new songs they add to the set each leg, but it is depressing to have pretty much no further development as a band creatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: The shows are a blast and I love seeing some of the new songs they add to the set each leg, but it is depressing to have pretty much no further development as a band creatively. Agreed. They can only pull out the deep cuts for so long before that gets boring too. Remember how excited we were when they pulled Coma out? Now it's just as stale as the rest of the set. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I am not worried about it being successful, I just want to to be on par or at least close to as good as their classic stuff. I am assuming it will be successful on the charts either way. I think it would be a worthwhile release and that a lot of people will place it after UYI I & II, whether it's better than Chinese or not. It's never going to top those early records, but I honestly don't think they should be bothering to compete with their legacy. Slash has plenty of snakey riffs in him that can get Axl fire breathing again, I just hope he's let out to play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted November 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Gibson_Guy87 said: Agreed. They can only pull out the deep cuts for so long before that gets boring too. Remember how excited we were when they pulled Coma out? Now it's just as stale as the rest of the set. Boring to people here maybe but they have plenty of songs that they can continue to add and rotate into the setlist to keep most people happy and buying tickets. Nobody I have talked to in real life had any complaints about the setlists except for too much CD stuff for a couple people. They will continue selling ticket whether they release new music or not. The vast majority of people that buy tickets don't care about new music. Aerosmith have only put out 2 albums in the last 20 years and they still tour successfully. I don't think there is more than 4 people in the arena's that want to hear any songs of those albums either. Nobody is going to AC/DC shows to see songs off Stiff Upper Lip or Rock Or Bust. Not the biggest Def Leppard fan but they still pack arenas.. No one is going to see any songs they released on the last 30 years. Guns will be fine no new music or not. If they release new music and it is good then it is icing on the cake but they don't need to. Also, like I said earlier Guns switch it up more than most rock bands out there. Bands like Black Sabbath, Motley Crue and Def Leppard go out and play the EXACT same show for entire tours. They don't even change one song here and there. If you think Coma is stale then be happy they are now rotating it with fucking Locomotive! That is incredible. The band is far from perfect right now but the constant criticism of the setlist is laughable. I have seen 3 shows this tour and if I saw them this tour there would have been 4 songs I haven't seen at all. 5 if you include Slash's solo. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Some of their best songs have been eliminated due to Axl’s vocal chords not responding well. Out Ta Get Me, and You’re Crazy I know are tough on him. There’s probably a few more he avoids because of a lasting impact they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MildlyArtistic Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 48 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: Some of their best songs have been eliminated due to Axl’s vocal chords not responding well. Out Ta Get Me, and You’re Crazy I know are tough on him. There’s probably a few more he avoids because of a lasting impact they have. Axl's vocal chords don't respond well to about 90% of the setlist at this point 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) @Tom-Ass that's a fair point. I suppose what I was trying to say is that they can do more than just add deep cuts. Remember the 91/92 sets? Different openers and set order but still the same songs with rotations. I'd like to see that. Edited November 5, 2019 by Gibson_Guy87 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 53 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: Some of their best songs have been eliminated due to Axl’s vocal chords not responding well. Out Ta Get Me, and You’re Crazy I know are tough on him. There’s probably a few more he avoids because of a lasting impact they have. Too bad Wichita Lineman isn't hard on his vocal chords then huh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, MildlyArtistic said: Axl's vocal chords don't respond well to about 90% of the setlist at this point Well most of it is on purpose. He chooses to not push his voice anymore, I think if he wanted to he could do the hard work of going back to his vocal coach, work on a 12-15 song set, and nail it but have to put his voice on the brink. It seemed to work well with what he wanted to accomplish with ACDC. I think he has zero interest in doing the same for GNR songs. But it’s also important to remember less breathing and more lyrics on GNR material so difficulty goes up for sure. Plus bring 57 now is not helpful haha but if he wanted to he could retire GNR and go to work on lighter material. Not sure that interest him though. 3 minutes ago, WhazUp said: Too bad Wichita Lineman isn't hard on his vocal chords then huh? I love Wichita. He sings it really well. It shouldn’t be lost that Axl has a great natural voice. We are just hearing him struggle with the higher register as he ages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: I love Wichita. He sings it really well. It shouldn’t be lost that Axl has a great natural voice. We are just hearing him struggle with the higher register as he ages. That was mostly in jest, I actually think he sings Wichita really well too. I just could definitely go without hearing that or BHS in favor of something like Don't Cry and Patience both getting played 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, WhazUp said: That was mostly in jest, I actually think he sings Wichita really well too. I just could definitely go without hearing that or BHS in favor of something like Don't Cry and Patience both getting played For sure! Lots of good stuff they gets benched. There’s a really nice setlist to be had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Nobody goes to a GNR show to hear Glen Campbell and Soundgarden covers. They both needed to be dropped after the first time that they were played. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said: Nobody goes to a GNR show to hear Glen Campbell and Soundgarden covers. They both needed to be dropped after the first time that they were played. I dont know why they coverred their songs. If gnr viewed those bands as peers a post on social media should have sufficed. Bhs was never covered well and i thought gnr looked out of place doing the song. Edited November 5, 2019 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 When a band releases a covers album at the peak of their powers, and some of their biggest singles are covers. It's not a shock they like doing more covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 13 hours ago, gnr5 said: One messup does not define the entire 90s era. The 90s lineup was tight, unpredictable, and plain RnR. By the way, this wasn't Slash's fuck up, it was Matt. Sounds like a Matt fuck up yo me also...Slash had to give him the tempo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoForJMark Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, The Real McCoy said: Nobody goes to a GNR show to hear Glen Campbell and Soundgarden covers. They both needed to be dropped after the first time that they were played. As much as I agree with you, I'd be shocked if they dropped them completely off on the March shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 1:07 PM, nycgunner said: I was there last night. For me, it was an incredibly disappointing night. I could see how this show was awesome if this is your first GNR show in 2019. I saw them in SLC on Tuesday and had a blast. I went tonight and it was just boring since it was the exact same setlist, notwithstanding Slash’s solo was different and they through in Madagascar. We didn’t get Locomotive either. The whole thing is just so rehearsed and inorganic. No fan interaction. Slash jumps off the risers at the same spot at the same time. Axl makes the same facial expressions and dance moves at the same points in songs. It wasn’t terrible, it’s just boring at this point, which is why people are complaining. I’d go see them again in a year or so, but I won’t travel again for this band unless something material changes. The best part of the night was meeting other Guns fans. I don’t get how “super-fans” spend $10k+ on travel, pit tickets, and merch (if not more) for multiple shows on this tour. Kind of sad that these days "super-fans" are defined by how much money they have rather than anything else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycgunner Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, allwaystired said: Kind of sad that these days "super-fans" are defined by how much money they have rather than anything else. Not my definition, but if one is going to GA at every show in different states, I don’t see how that can be done under $10k given flights, hotels, and insane ticket prices (GA for Vegas was $750 to $1300 before fees). I met multiple people who had GA for both and came from the other side of the globe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, nycgunner said: Not my definition, but if one is going to GA at every show in different states, I don’t see how that can be done under $10k given flights, hotels, and insane ticket prices (GA for Vegas was $750 to $1300 before fees). I met multiple people who had GA for both and came from the other side of the globe Yeah, it's insane isn't it? I just don't understand how on earth people have that level of disposable income, as well as spare time. Personally, I struggle to afford one show. I could never have afforded a Vegas ticket, even if I lived there. I also think though that you can take so much more enjoyment from limiting yourself - I'd probably rather be blown away by a one-off experience I never did again than keep repeating that experience. I don't know - good luck to people if they have excessive amounts of free time and disposable income and want to do it. I just think it's kind of sad that the 'super fan' has changed from the scruffy kid who wants to have his mind blown to those who have the deep enough pockets to be at the front and buy their 'VIP experiences'. Times have changed I know, but all the things that drew me to rock music as a kid seem to be pretty unimportant to a lot of bands these days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 11 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: Some of their best songs have been eliminated due to Axl’s vocal chords not responding well. Out Ta Get Me, and You’re Crazy I know are tough on him. There’s probably a few more he avoids because of a lasting impact they have. Out Ta Get Me is not though for Axl. It's one of the easiest GNR songs for Axl to sing cause so much of it is just screaming. Who knows why they're not playing it. Maybe Axl doesn't want to play too much AFD. Maybe Axl's sick and tired of that song. We don't know why they don't play certain songs and why they prefer playing stuff like Black Home Sun instead. But there's no reason to think that OTGM is too difficult for Axl's vocal chords, when he's always performed it much better than most songs on the setlist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Gibson_Guy87 said: @Tom-Ass that's a fair point. I suppose what I was trying to say is that they can do more than just add deep cuts. Remember the 91/92 sets? Different openers and set order but still the same songs with rotations. I'd like to see that. 100% they could benefit from mixing up the openers and song order a bit. I am down with that for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted November 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2019 Out Ta' Get Me was consistently one of Axl's best songs and highlights of the shows for the majority of the tour. Put me down for being on the Wichita Lineman train too. I think Axl sound great and I love seeing the little acoustic jam. I could care less if I ever hear BHS again though. I don't even like the original. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 9 hours ago, The Real McCoy said: Nobody goes to a GNR show to hear Glen Campbell and Soundgarden covers. They both needed to be dropped after the first time that they were played. So true ☝🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold top 78 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 54 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Out Ta' Get Me was consistently one of Axl's best songs and highlights of the shows for the majority of the tour. Put me down for being on the Wichita Lineman train too. I think Axl sound great and I love seeing the little acoustic jam. I could care less if I ever hear BHS again though. I don't even like the original. Out Ta Get Me was my favourite song of the set in 2016. Axl just killed it and when Adler joined them for it and My Michelle then it was the closest sounding to old guns we got. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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