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I'm just gonna go ahead and state the obvious: Days like today make up for all the shit we put up with as GNR fans. 

FUCK YOU BOB EZRIN

One thing that I do, that my wife absolutely LOVES, is that I say "ITDONREALLYMATTA" if she ever happens to say anything close to the phrase "it doesn't matter".  Going forward, any time she says

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44 minutes ago, smokingarthur said:

Axl couldn’t put all his goodies on one album. His plan as per his grand opus was to have additional albums forthcoming. I believe these tracks were waiting in the interim until the dust settled. 

You’re probably correct. I forgot Axl was some what adamant about a second release. Chinese should have been a double album. There appeared to be enough material. 

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"My sense of rejection / is no excuse for my behaviour"

I have to tip my hat to Ax there. A very self-reflective line from someone with a history of temper tantrums.

Instead of being a victim (Maddy, The Blues), he's admitting guilt, or at least turmoil ("I've been so upset").

They really should play this song live. If anything, it shows he's matured a bit somewhere down the line.

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“My sense of rejection, is no excuse for my behavior”. A very honest and introspective self reflection for Axl. Was he ready to reunite in 99? I think so. Imagine if Axl would’ve released that trilogy with nu guns between 99 and 03, then reunited with original guns in 06 when he was hossing it so hard at Hammerstein? Wow

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10 hours ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

“My sense of rejection, is no excuse for my behavior”. A very honest and introspective self reflection for Axl. Was he ready to reunite in 99? I think so. Imagine if Axl would’ve released that trilogy with nu guns between 99 and 03, then reunited with original guns in 06 when he was hossing it so hard at Hammerstein? Wow

The fact we didn't get a reunion in 2006 or even 2010 when Axl's voice was sounding absolutely phenomenal is a damn shame. At least he sounded pretty solid in 2016.

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22 minutes ago, MildlyArtistic said:

The fact we didn't get a reunion in 2006 or even 2010 when Axl's voice was sounding absolutely phenomenal is a damn shame. At least he sounded pretty solid in 2016.

He sounded absolutely phenomenal in 2016 as well. But it was with AC/DC. An incentive to prepare by rehearsing beforehand was probably to not embarrass himself and/or impress Angus. I think Axl is also preserving his voice by not always going for it with Guns but that's just speculation.

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1 hour ago, Underhardy said:

Us GNR and Axl fans are all probably big fan of Axls... we’ll.. Axlisms... I’m not sure the General public would like the “haaay haaays.” It worked on KOHD, but this was a bit excessive for a single type song. 

Tbh most non-GNR fans I know don’t even like the “hay hays” on KOHD. Even still, I think the ones on this song work better even if there are a lot more

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39 minutes ago, slash23579 said:

Tbh most non-GNR fans I know don’t even like the “hay hays” on KOHD. Even still, I think the ones on this song work better even if there are a lot more

Disagree with you both. I think people loved the "hey hey yeah" on KOHD because it made it so uniquely Axl and GNR.

And I looooove the "hey haaaaaay" on "Perhaps."

 

"My sense of rejection (hey, heeeeeey) is no excuse for my behavior (uuuughhaaaaaa)."

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1 minute ago, GnR Chris said:

Disagree with you both. I think people loved the "hey hey yeah" on KOHD because it made it so uniquely Axl and GNR.

And I looooove the "hey haaaaaay" on "Perhaps."

 

"My sense of rejection (hey, heeeeeey) is no excuse for my behavior (uuuughhaaaaaa)."

Oh no trust me I love all the Hay Hay’s Axl does especially on these two songs. Just my personal experience with non GNR fans has been they didn’t like how it was done on KOHD (for example, my moms least favorite GNR song is KOHD simply because of the hay hay yeah part, and I’ve gotten a similar reaction from a bunch of other non GNR fans as well). I haven’t shown Perhaps to any non GNR fans so I can’t say from personal experience how that would go down, but I think the hay hay’s on Perhaps fit the song really well and the general public would like them as well which is what the poster before me said they wouldn’t.

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I'm starting to wonder if the line "you pulled the gun that shot and crucified my savior" might not be so literal as to mean Mark David Chapman shooting Lennon. And maybe the savior in this case was the band in the sense that their success gave him a feeling of security and family, saving him from a lonely existence. And "pulled the gun" is referring to breaking up the band, leaving Axl "all alone, like I was before".

I mean I know CITR is about Lennon, but have we really ever heard Axl talk about Lennon in these terms before? I mean we've heard him talk about Phil Lynott and Elton way more then Lennon.

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3 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

I'm starting to wonder if the line "you pulled the gun that shot and crucified my savior" might not be so literal as to mean Mark David Chapman shooting Lennon. And maybe the savior in this case was the band in the sense that their success gave him a feeling of security and family, saving him from a lonely existence. And "pulled the gun" is referring to breaking up the band, leaving Axl "all alone, like I was before".

I mean I know CITR is about Lennon, but have we really ever heard Axl talk about Lennon in these terms before? I mean we've heard him talk about Phil Lynott and Elton way more then Lennon.

I completely agree with you.

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14 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

I'm starting to wonder if the line "you pulled the gun that shot and crucified my savior" might not be so literal as to mean Mark David Chapman shooting Lennon. And maybe the savior in this case was the band in the sense that their success gave him a feeling of security and family, saving him from a lonely existence. And "pulled the gun" is referring to breaking up the band, leaving Axl "all alone, like I was before".

I mean I know CITR is about Lennon, but have we really ever heard Axl talk about Lennon in these terms before? I mean we've heard him talk about Phil Lynott and Elton way more then Lennon.

Yea I've thought since I first heard it that the Lennon/Chapman thing was a stretch, and that the line about the gun was more metaphorical than literal. Nothing else in the song points to it being about Lennon unless you're really trying to read the lyrics that way, IMO.

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Does anyone have any newer guesses as to the lyrics in the chorus? Even as it stands now the song is an all time favorite of mine and everyone I've ever played it for has instantly realized its potential as something special.

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32 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Does anyone have any newer guesses as to the lyrics in the chorus? Even as it stands now the song is an all time favorite of mine and everyone I've ever played it for has instantly realized its potential as something special.

This came from a lyrics site. (Seems a tad off, probably a guess)

(Save me) Shine like more than a bomb you are
You're all alone now
(Save me) You could start a fight you know you were begging for
You're all alone
(Save me) So talk to the ones that you once ignored
You're all alone
(Save me) Used to be a little crazy now there's so much more
You're all alone

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10 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

This came from a lyrics site. (Seems a tad off, probably a guess)

(Save me) Shine like more than a bomb you are
You're all alone now
(Save me) You could start a fight you know you were begging for
You're all alone
(Save me) So talk to the ones that you once ignored
You're all alone
(Save me) Used to be a little crazy now there's so much more
You're all alone

 

The second line doesn't fit... sounds more like "Used to stand up for the others you were beggin' for"

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1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

The second line doesn't fit... sounds more like "Used to stand up for the others you were beggin' for"

Your second line sounds right, but I've never been sold on that first line. "Shine like more than a bomb you are"? What does that even mean? It seems clunky and weird. 

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I could totally imagine Perhaps as a huge GNR comeback single in 2001, with a big budget UYI style video played regularly on MTV.

Even if we do ever get a new album it's safe to say we won't get any decent music videos to rival the 87-93 era. Which is a shame because the GNR videos are a big part of the bands legacy for me.

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57 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Your second line sounds right, but I've never been sold on that first line. "Shine like more than a bomb you are"? What does that even mean? It seems clunky and weird. 

 

The first line almost sounds like "Shine like more than you bargained for" but that doesn't make a lot of sense either. It's hard to tell with the layered vocals.

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