Rough Mixes CD #1 Full Leak Discussion Thread NO LINKS, NO ASKING / HINTING FOR LEAKS

Amir · December 16, 2020

23 hours ago, anchel2 said:

Could someone tell me what songs feature Buckethead on RM1, RM2, RM3, and RM4?

I'm trying to figure out the 99 Beavan produced album

In terms of which tracks don't have Bucket, definitely Oh My God and most likely all the stuff dated March 2000:

Catcher
Perhaps
Atlas
Prostitute
Quicksong
Oklahoma
IRS
Me & My Elvis
D Tune
Curly Shuffle

Even though it's dated later in 2000, I don't think Bucket is on the Rough Mix CD 1 demo of TWAT? I could be wrong on that one. TWAT had been in the works since '99 at least since it has a Howerdel credit.

EDIT: Also, in terms of what Beavan worked on:

Sean Beavan – recording and digital editing (tracks 1, 4–6, 9, 11, 12 and 14)

So that's

Chinese
The Blues/Street of Dreams
If the World
TWAT
Riad
IRS
Madagascar
Prostitute

I wonder if Riad had a solo before Bucket played one? And if Madagascar had one at all?

Edited December 16, 2020 by Amir

AxlSlashthebest · December 23, 2020

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CubanSkies Dummy · January 15, 2022

Madagascar
T.W.A.T.
Atlas Shrugged
Perhaps
Prostitute
Riad N' The Bedouins
If The World
I.R.S.
Catcher In The Rye
Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Silkworms

This is my personal "Chinese Democracy - January 2001" album.

19AT5 · January 15, 2022

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

Madagascar

T.W.A.T.

Atlas Shrugged

Perhaps

Prostitute

Riad N' The Bedouins

If The World

I.R.S.

Catcher In The Rye

Chinese Democracy

The Blues

Silkworms

This is my personal "Chinese Democracy - January 2001" album.

Ah good. Another list. Any chance we could get the February 2001 list tomorrow please?

rumandraisin · January 15, 2022

I was thinking today about this mix of the tracks. While it's my fave versions if most of the songs, especially the bass d how punchy they sound. Genuinely kick ass. But they lack the epic nature that Axl wanted. You can see why every track had a few minutes added on ala Twat and Maddy.

SoulMonster · January 15, 2022

4 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

I was thinking today about this mix of the tracks. While it's my fave versions if most of the songs, especially the bass d how punchy they sound. Genuinely kick ass. But they lack the epic nature that Axl wanted. You can see why every track had a few minutes added on ala Twat and Maddy.

Generally speaking, I prefer them short and punchier. But TWAT definitely benefitted from Bucket's solo.

19AT5 · January 15, 2022

8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Generally speaking, I prefer them short and punchier. But TWAT definitely benefitted from Bucket's solo.

The TWAT solo on CD is really good. Never ever understood that God awful choir intro though! Adds absolutely fuck all.

SoulMonster · January 15, 2022

5 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

The TWAT solo on CD is really good. Never ever understood that God awful choir intro though! Adds absolutely fuck all.

Yeah, the choir made the song worse, as did the mid section with the speeches in Madagascar.

19AT5 · January 15, 2022

8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yeah, the choir made the song worse, as did the mid section with the speeches in Madagascar.

Yup! A delay of two years for a midi choir and an MLK speech. Dead right Axl, possibly have too much time on your hands!

Manfisman · January 15, 2022

I think the mid section of Madagascar adds a lot to the song actually.

Dean · January 15, 2022

I much prefer the choir intro on There Was A Time than the piano intro! I also think the speeches in Madagascar benefit the song for the theme Axl was going for, despite it burying Bucket's solo some what. I'd say both are two of the greatest songs Axl has written/co-written too, they'd be high up on that list for me. Maybe I'm biased towards vocal recordings from NINETEEN-NINETY-NINE* though.

'*' - Axl has recorded Nothing since. A few left to be officially released etc etc 'insert more Pele here'.

19AT5 · January 15, 2022

Fair enough, horses for courses. Personally I find those overly long pointless intros add hee haw. Almost trying to sound epic for the sake of sounding epic, if that makes sense.

Dean · January 15, 2022

3 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Fair enough, horses for courses. Personally I find those overly long pointless intros add hee haw. Almost trying to sound epic for the sake of sounding epic, if that makes sense.

I hear you. Riad is the biggest example of that for me and Chinese to a lesser extent. I love the title track, however, the Rough Mix Version 1 version goes straight for the jugular. I definitely prefer the vibe of that version and it's the same with the early mixes of Riad, that song benefits going straight into the guitar riffs.

drlaban · January 15, 2022

50 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Yup! A delay of two years for a midi choir and an MLK speech. Dead right Axl, possibly have too much time on your hands!

Uhm, MLK were there in RIR 2001? Not added between 2006 and 2008.

19AT5 · January 15, 2022

40 minutes ago, Dean said:

I hear you. Riad is the biggest example of that for me and Chinese to a lesser extent. I love the title track, however, the Rough Mix Version 1 version goes straight for the jugular. I definitely prefer the vibe of that version and it's the same with the early mixes of Riad, that song benefits going straight into the guitar riffs.

Yeah I always quite liked the title track but the intro on the released version instantly put me off. Only thing I will say about final version is that I liked the double tracked octave vocals on the version. And that was it! Haha! The fretless guitar wank and never ending soloing under the vocals added hee haw.

7 minutes ago, drlaban said:

Uhm, MLK were there in RIR 2001? Not added between 2006 and 2008.

Ah okay sorry my bad.

Gordon Comstock · January 15, 2022

1 hour ago, Manfisman said:

I think the mid section of Madagascar adds a lot to the song actually.

The quotes do fit the song, but they also kill the replay value. I'm not driving around in my truck blasting a mashup of MLK speeches and movie quotes like I do with Nightrain, Dust N Bones, etc. :lol:

The intro on TWAT is unnecessary but doesn't ruin the song as much as those deep "IT WAS A LONG TIME" vocal overdubs, IMO.

27 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Yeah I always quite liked the title track but the intro on the released version instantly put me off. Only thing I will say about final version is that I liked the double tracked octave vocals on the version. And that was it! Haha! The fretless guitar wank and never ending soloing under the vocals added hee haw.

Ah okay sorry my bad.

The intro and the fretless guitar worked well on the live performances, but I can't remember the last time I actually listened to the album version. The 2000 demo works better as a studio song - a fairly short, bass-driven, simple rocker. The long intros definitely tried to make the songs sound more "epic" than they really were.

WhazUp · January 16, 2022

15 hours ago, rumandraisin said:

I was thinking today about this mix of the tracks. While it's my fave versions if most of the songs, especially the bass d how punchy they sound. Genuinely kick ass. But they lack the epic nature that Axl wanted. You can see why every track had a few minutes added on ala Twat and Maddy.

Yeah I was listening to some of them the other day for the first time in a while, and they have so much more low end that going back to the actual finished CD album it seems thin and less powerful by comparison. The title track especially

Edited January 16, 2022 by WhazUp

rumandraisin · January 16, 2022

18 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

The quotes do fit the song, but they also kill the replay value. I'm not driving around in my truck blasting a mashup of MLK speeches and movie quotes like I do with Nightrain, Dust N Bones, etc.

The intro on TWAT is unnecessary but doesn't ruin the song as much as those deep "IT WAS A LONG TIME" vocal overdubs, IMO.

The intro and the fretless guitar worked well on the live performances, but I can't remember the last time I actually listened to the album version. The 2000 demo works better as a studio song - a fairly short, bass-driven, simple rocker. The long intros definitely tried to make the songs sound more "epic" than they really were.

Yeah stuff like those deep parts on twat were the kinda overdubs that unnescarily delayed the album abd I think we're the final vox he did very early 2007. Along with changing the last line of CD and some of the ending of The Blues. Thees a story from an engineer about that session on Chinese whispers about axl knowing exactly what he wanted and jumping from song to song.

CubanSkies Dummy · January 17, 2022

I'm really confident on this: I'm nearly firmly believe that Rough Mixes #1 is the almost the real Chinese Democracy intended for late 2000/early 2001. Tracklisting order and all.

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In BOLD, the tracks intended for the album:

Rough Mixes CD #1

1. "MADAGASCAR" 11/05/00 {Drum Adds} 5:37
2. "T.W.A.T." 10/12/00 {#10} 5:10
3. "ATLAS SHRUGGED" 3/27/00 {25} 4:12
4. "PERHAPS" 3/27/00 {19} 3:56
5. "PROSTITUTE" 3/27/00 {23} 6:10
6. "RHIAD" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33
7. "CATCHER" 3/27/00 {30} 5:35
8. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" 11/05/00 {Ver.1} 3:12
9. "The BLUES" 10/23/00 {#6} 4:44
10. "SILKWORMS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33