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I know he had some rage tweet a while back. Can someone tell me what actually had happened with him. 

Did he quit, was he kicked out,.... 

Also, were there any comments by any of the band members about his involvement in writing music and stuff. 

All I know is he cowrote silkworms... But other than that any info is vague. 

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Well, a couple of days after the official announcement of the reunion and Coachella, which mentioned only Axl, Slash and Duff

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3273-2016-01-05-press-release-guns-n-roses-make-history-with-2016-return

Pitman made a happy post in his social media:

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/additional_members_confirmed_for_gnr_reunion.html

And then he said he was told by management to take it back:

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_members_ordered_by_management_to_deny_reunion.html

Then, about six weeks later, he posted calling the reunion tour a cash grab and then deleted it

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_member_chris_pitman_blasts_reunion_tour_a_money_grab_fuck_you.html

That was it.

Not much is known about what happened behind the scenes. There was only an unverified rumour that he clashed with Duff (or both Slash and Duff).

Later in 2016 he sued Axl for unpaid fees from 2011 (the lawsuit was settled a while later).

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It seems that Pitman didn't realise, like everyone else did, that things had changed after Slash and Duff were back, so he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he wasn't equal to them and that they actually were his bosses, too. Because other than that, judging from his first posts, he didn't seem to have any problems with the "nostalgia tour".

Slash and Duff have a NITL contract. Offically, Axl and TB are GnR.

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23 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Do you have a source for that? Or is it just another rumour coming from "insiders"?

This, though, is from an official document (recent lawsuit against Oscar Blues brewery), not a rumour:

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If this is the real deal, Duff and Slash are really back in GnR. I apologize.

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Well, a couple of days after the official announcement of the reunion and Coachella, which mentioned only Axl, Slash and Duff

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3273-2016-01-05-press-release-guns-n-roses-make-history-with-2016-return

Pitman made a happy post in his social media:

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/additional_members_confirmed_for_gnr_reunion.html

And then he said he was told by management to take it back:

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_members_ordered_by_management_to_deny_reunion.html

Then, about six weeks later, he posted calling the reunion tour a cash grab and then deleted it

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_member_chris_pitman_blasts_reunion_tour_a_money_grab_fuck_you.html

That was it.

Not much is known about what happened behind the scenes. There was only an unverified rumour that he clashed with Duff (or both Slash and Duff).

Later in 2016 he sued Axl for unpaid fees from 2011 (the lawsuit was settled a while later).

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It seems that Pitman didn't realise, like everyone else did, that things had changed after Slash and Duff were back, so he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he wasn't equal to them and that they actually were his bosses, too. Because other than that, judging from his first posts, he didn't seem to have any problems with the "nostalgia tour".

Its cool to see that in order, thanks. Iirc there was one further post along the lines of 'Kids, drinking and FB dont go together' or something?

I also like the unsubstantiated claim that Duff threw him up against a wall when Pitman showed up for rehearsal. Which, on the off chance that its a true story, would suggest that Axl didnt fire him (since he showed up for practice) and that maybe Duff did.

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19 minutes ago, soon said:

Its cool to see that in order, thanks. Iirc there was one further post along the lines of 'Kids, drinking and FB dont go together' or something?

I also like the unsubstantiated claim that Duff threw him up against a wall when Pitman showed up for rehearsal. Which, on the off chance that its a true story, would suggest that Axl didnt fire him (since he showed up for practice) and that maybe Duff did.

Why would duff do that? 

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Just now, username05 said:

Why would duff do that? 

The alleged incident took place after the socials posts, with one post mocking the request to not speak about Coachella by taking about it even more, and of course the "nostalgia tour... money grab, FU" post.

The story, as Ive heard it, goes that Duff said something like 'thats my band youre taking about' or 'dont fuck with my band'

I would agree that its an overreaction. A funny one though, imho :lol:

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11 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

How odd that he was told to take down his Coachella tweet by management, what was that all about?

Didn’t seem like he’d fallen out with anyone at that point. 

Yeah, it's odd.

Maybe they didn't want anything to come out yet about who else would be in the band besides Axl, Slash and Duff, because there were still negotiations and discussions about Izzy and the lineup in general.

Or maybe there were some problems already at rehearsals at the time of his first tweet, and with that he wanted to say he was in the band.

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8 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, it's odd.

Maybe they didn't want anything to come out yet about who else would be in the band besides Axl, Slash and Duff, because there were still negotiations and discussions about Izzy and the lineup in general.

Or maybe there were some problems already at rehearsals at the time of his first tweet, and with that he wanted to say he was in the band.

 

You can only assume that there was still some turmoil about the lineup beyond Axl, Duff and Slash at that point - even with Coachella booked.

The stress :lol:

Didn’t Richard say he was also kept in the dark until the last minute? (so to speak)

Management obviously weren’t communicating with existing band members, could’ve just given them a heads up on not posting on social media yet. What a mess. 

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8 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Well, a couple of days after the official announcement of the reunion and Coachella, which mentioned only Axl, Slash and Duff

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3273-2016-01-05-press-release-guns-n-roses-make-history-with-2016-return

Pitman made a happy post in his social media:

38294_3_ver1452176806.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/additional_members_confirmed_for_gnr_reunion.html

And then he said he was told by management to take it back:

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_members_ordered_by_management_to_deny_reunion.html

Then, about six weeks later, he posted calling the reunion tour a cash grab and then deleted it

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_member_chris_pitman_blasts_reunion_tour_a_money_grab_fuck_you.html

That was it.

Not much is known about what happened behind the scenes. There was only an unverified rumour that he clashed with Duff (or both Slash and Duff).

Later in 2016 he sued Axl for unpaid fees from 2011 (the lawsuit was settled a while later).

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It seems that Pitman didn't realise, like everyone else did, that things had changed after Slash and Duff were back, so he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he wasn't equal to them and that they actually were his bosses, too. Because other than that, judging from his first posts, he didn't seem to have any problems with the "nostalgia tour".

Feel sad for him.

What a stab in the back.

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Just to throw this into the mix;

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it was confirmed yesterday that the band's festival lineup will feature three-fifths of their classic configuration: frontman Axl Rose, guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagan. Who else is involved is unconfirmed, although it's heavily rumored that the trio will team up with core players from GNR's modern-day incarnation—including guitarist Richard Fortus, drummer Frank Ferrer, and long-time keyboardists Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman—and even potentially add Velvet Revolver guitarist Dave Kushner into the mix.

Should also be noted that Dizzy's wife and Frank's friend posted Guns/Coachella related hints into social media around the same time as Pitman. Dizzy was quiet, Frank confirmed in a reply. So, technically, if tweeting got Pitman to trouble, it would've been unfair (and weird) to him next to Dizzy and Frank. He was the only one using his own account, sure.

My best guess is something along the lines of what Blackstar said above; a want to reaffirm his job. He may have thought that working with Ax intensely in the studio a few years back had made him untouchable. Slash and Duff come in and think, 'Uh oh, another Paul Huge'. Pitman, for his part, looked to have had an attitude for services rendered since '98. S&D could've gone, 'We built this band, towel boy'.

So, big money shows coming. Team Brazil's having a heart attack while fearing the worst with Ax. Lineup's in a flux, Axl wants his CD gang to stick around. Dizzy's a given, Richard's Gilby on steroids. Matt's not around, possibly to the chagrin of S&D, and certainly because Axl wants it so. He was also (apparently) still hankering a 3 gtr band, with Fortus maybe promoted to 2nd lead and Kushner playing rhythm. 

Amidst all this, Pitman tweets about the shows. S&D may have taken it as grandstanding and self-promotion, while they're trying to get the band together musically. Had Pitman felt insecure about things at the time of the tweet, the next rehearsals would've been worse. Duff could've plausibly confronted him. After a spat, their working relationship would've been totaled, and there would've been too much at stake for him to stick around.

After that, Team Brazil would've called Brain, asking if he knew any keyboard players who'd like to tour. The money grab tweet happened likely after Pitman learned he'd been replaced. As with Ron, the band hit paydirt with Melissa on a short notice, given it's vital to have 3 guitarists or 2 keyboardists in Guns.

TL;DR: "Axl's boy" -syndrome.

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12 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Do you have a source for that? Or is it just another rumour coming from "insiders"?

This, though, is from an official document (recent lawsuit against Oscar Blues brewery), not a rumour:

beer_l11.jpg

Duff and Slash never left the partnership. Axl, Slash and Duff have been the sole GN'R partners since the 90's. This isn't a new thing.

11 hours ago, Creed said:

If this is the real deal, Duff and Slash are really back in GnR. I apologize.

They never left the GN'R partnership. Ever.

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On 10/5/2019 at 8:17 AM, Blackstar said:

Well, a couple of days after the official announcement of the reunion and Coachella, which mentioned only Axl, Slash and Duff

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3273-2016-01-05-press-release-guns-n-roses-make-history-with-2016-return

Pitman made a happy post in his social media:

38294_3_ver1452176806.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/additional_members_confirmed_for_gnr_reunion.html

And then he said he was told by management to take it back:

38329_1_ver1452544397.jpg

38329_2_ver1452544398.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_members_ordered_by_management_to_deny_reunion.html

Then, about six weeks later, he posted calling the reunion tour a cash grab and then deleted it

38781_1_ver1456506823.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gnr_member_chris_pitman_blasts_reunion_tour_a_money_grab_fuck_you.html

That was it.

Not much is known about what happened behind the scenes. There was only an unverified rumour that he clashed with Duff (or both Slash and Duff).

Later in 2016 he sued Axl for unpaid fees from 2011 (the lawsuit was settled a while later).

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It seems that Pitman didn't realise, like everyone else did, that things had changed after Slash and Duff were back, so he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he wasn't equal to them and that they actually were his bosses, too. Because other than that, judging from his first posts, he didn't seem to have any problems with the "nostalgia tour".

It's really cool that Igazio Sixx Comito had Pitman's back. Just as important as Slash and Duff.😄

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4 hours ago, MooseMan said:

Duff and Slash never left the partnership. Axl, Slash and Duff have been the sole GN'R partners since the 90's. This isn't a new thing.

This is true. At the same time, though, Axl had a separate entity (NuGnR), so it could have been a different arrangement for the NITL tour, for example Slash and Duff partnering with Axl's entity. But it seems the old partnership has been reactivated as it was or has been amended.

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I personally love how he called it a money grab tour, nostalgia etc yet it was Pitman himself, interviewed in 2012, saying how Guns N' Roses didn't have to release new music. 

I'm also disappointed that the screens of his outburst at all of us here calling the forum "dildoes" haven't been posted. That's when I thought he took it too far :lol:

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