Pharaoh Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Well, is obviously that Axl has inspired in NIN before the Chinese Democracy Era. In the 90's, he searched NIN musicans Robin Finck, Josh Freese and Chris Venna for GN'R because he wanted to change the GN'R style to Industrial Rock. Engeneer Dave Domingez said that Axl has an Elvis Presley cover in NIN style where he plays every instrument like lead NIN singer Trent Reznor in the Year Zero album. IMO, songs like "As It Began" are inspired in NIN's "A Warm Place" or "Leaving Hope". What songs do you believe are inspired in the Industrial Rock Band. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnrJasmin92 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Oklahoma has parts which sound like Tool / A Perfect Circle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Axl definitely wanted to work with Trent on a solo project (maybe around 94??). There is less certainty about how much Axl wanted a Guns lineup with Slash to go full on industrial. Slash reported Axl also wanting to incorporate Pearl Jam influences up until Slashs departure in 96. However, Matt and Duff were both their for OMGs genesis. By then, 1997, Finck was in. And OMG certainly has more than just some industrial rock to it. And you make a great point about just how many NIN alumni Axl tried to poach. I would say though that Freese can also been seen for his punk pedigree as a Vandal, so then along with Tommy one could say Axl must have 'wanted to do a punk album.' Or how Vrenna was paired with PJs ex drummer in a two drummer lineup. The industrial thing is always a bit difficult to really pin down. Like to what degree Axl wanted to go industrial. To my ears OMG and State of Grace are the most NIN influenced tracks out so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantomas Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 NIN on its worst day is better than industrial influenced GnR on its best day. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharaoh Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 D Tune ending sounds like NIN, Billonarie too. I think he was really influenced by them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhardy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 PRL, for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ©GnrPersia Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) As an industrial fan, Out of officially released tracks: OMG, Better & Shackler's Revenge are maybe the closest thing Axl could make to this genre. But really doesn't add anything new to industrial music world. You wanna do industrial you gotta be fucking rough and cruel and be like Ministry, Rammstein, KMFDM, Einstürzende Neubauten & NIN. Point being, an industrial album tracks can not suddenly change to completely diff genre like November Raininsh type of tracks such as Street of Dreams, Prostitute etc. "All the love in the world couldn't save you oooh hooo hooo all the innocence inside..." nice track but turns cheesy and awkard to put in between PSALM 69 tracks right? lol Axl! just don't fuck with Industrial music anymore. Aint your thing. Look at yourself, you are wearing a cowboy hat and singing KOHD for 15 minutes. Your creative career is over. Edited October 30, 2019 by ©GnrPersia 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) "State of Grace," probably. Damn, that song is killer. Edited October 30, 2019 by GnR Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: "State of Grace," probably. Damn, that song is killer. State of Grace is industrial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said: State of Grace is industrial? Not necessarily, but I could see it being NIN-inspired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wagszilla Posted October 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hahaha, no. This is bordering on parody. Trent’s lyrics switch between an autobiographical and detached first person present to a passionate, direct second person and comment on addiction, suicide, women, and capitalism. Axl’s dabbled in these topics but never with too much grit or a level of accompanying romanticism. Axl’s lyrics are abstract, passive, and in a word: dramatic. He’s never met a metaphor he didn’t like. Instead of focusing on narrative, Trent is forensic and rarely poetic. The music is equally as brash. Trent’s arrangements show a greater level of discipline but also a greater level of rigidness. He started to loosen up a bit when he got into the poppier Year Zero and With Teeth but the structure is let a loop/sequence play out and when it starts to get old change the key or switch directions. For all Axl’s pretense about getting into new and/or industrial territory, none of the songs are based around loops and always have the same structure. Overdone intro, verses, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, outro with elements of intro. It’s one reason why I found “Oh My God” so refreshing. First-person, direct, heavy, a bit different and way different from the CD song structures. Nine Inch Nails songs are vocals high in the mix, drumbeat heavy, and washes of electronica. Guitar functions as a pure tone or tone enhancer. In AFD they’re set pieces, Chinese set pieces or orchestral. In short, “Oh My God” is the only one I’ll accept but still, eh, not really. It’s Axl doing industrial. The rest of the songs? Not even close to NIN. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: Not necessarily, but I could see it being NIN-inspired. Reminds me of Stabbing Westward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLotus1111 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 State of Grace reminded me of Gravity Kills or Professional Murder Music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble's Bridge Pickup Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Wagszilla said: Hahaha, no. This is bordering on parody. Trent’s lyrics switch between an autobiographical and detached first person present to a passionate, direct second person and comment on addiction, suicide, women, and capitalism. Axl’s dabbled in these topics but never with too much grit or a level of accompanying romanticism. Axl’s lyrics are abstract, passive, and in a word: dramatic. He’s never met a metaphor he didn’t like. Instead of focusing on narrative, Trent is forensic and rarely poetic. The music is equally as brash. Trent’s arrangements show a greater level of discipline but also a greater level of rigidness. He started to loosen up a bit when he got into the poppier Year Zero and With Teeth but the structure is let a loop/sequence play out and when it starts to get old change the key or switch directions. For all Axl’s pretense about getting into new and/or industrial territory, none of the songs are based around loops and always have the same structure. Overdone intro, verses, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, outro with elements of intro. It’s one reason why I found “Oh My God” so refreshing. First-person, direct, heavy, a bit different and way different from the CD song structures. Nine Inch Nails songs are vocals high in the mix, drumbeat heavy, and washes of electronica. Guitar functions as a pure tone or tone enhancer. In AFD they’re set pieces, Chinese set pieces or orchestral. In short, “Oh My God” is the only one I’ll accept but still, eh, not really. It’s Axl doing industrial. The rest of the songs? Not even close to NIN. Yeah, the whole comparison between GN'R and NIN is a big meme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalis Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) The intro of State Of Grace reminded me of NiN... after which I started listening to NiN again and concluded that NiN is way better. I have been listening to The Fragile double album again lately, and it made me forget about NuGuns. Sorry Axl I just wish GnR will release another classic rock album. Then at least there is a chance I'll like it. If I want to listen to NiN type of music, I will listen to NiN. Edited October 31, 2019 by Lethalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhonn Dee Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) "Industrial Music for Industrial People". If you wanna do something closer to industrial music, than you have to listen the pioneers. NIN is a blend, industrial music has nothing to do with rock or synth-pop (the 80's and 90's "industrial"), it's the late appropriation of the name. Of course, Axl woudn't make a industrial album, but a blend of rock, electronic, orchestral. The common place call "industrial" every rock with electronic elements, that's not the way. I usually include NIN in the hall of industrial as one renewer but other guys less competent make me wanna blow up my ears when associated with industrial. Well, that's not Axl's case, CD is a great album, not too "industrial" as I wished and waited in 2001 and 2002, but amazing. Oh My God and Chinese (old version) are like time machines, I always catch me in the early 2000 when llisten to then. Edited October 31, 2019 by Jhonn Dee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR* Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 best way to talk about music is to practice it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 State of Grace sounds like Fragile era Nine Inch Nails, just with Axl. Given the some of the same people worked on both and they're from 99, hardly a shocker. The other suggestions though? Nah. Oh My God only sounds like a Nine Inch Nails track to people who have never heard a Nine Inch Nails album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 To my ears state of grace has some NIN but overall I don't hear a lot in their music. Obviously it's there on songs like Rhiad, Shacklers, Chinese but I just don't hear them and think NIN. To me NIN is something completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 pretty reverse but my world sounds like nine inch nails big time the lyrics and beginning are atrocious but the outro is sweet and comparable to closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I remember a quote from someone who said Axl asked them to buy a bunch of KMFDM and Prodigy CDs for him around the mid-late 90s. By the sounds of the electronic stuff we've heard, he was more infuenced by artists like that than NIN. We know he's a big NIN fan, but there isn't much he's done that actually sounds like that. Shackler's sounds more like a Bucket track that was changed to sound like GNR (because it was) than NIN, although OMG sounds similar to something that could have been on the Broken EP. But I would be willing to bet that Axl wrote State Of Grace right after listening to The Fragile or I'm Afraid Of Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMother'sDruthers Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 State of Grace definitely sounds like it was inspired by nin - the fragile album, which came out in 99, not long before state of grace was probably written. You can hear it in the bass line, the vocal delivery, and it lacks a guitar solo that you would usually hear in a gnr song but not in a nin song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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