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41 minutes ago, All Cautions Made said:

I believe what rick's talking about doesn't have anything to do with those Dats on the picture

Yup - i was wondering if @Voodoochild got mixed up between the two OR there were also DATs in the locker. Rick never mentioned DATs which is why i was confused!

FWIW - I listen to what @axlrosefan4life has to say with this stuff given what happened before. 👍

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2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

There’s another clip of just slash playing it for like one sec at that rehearsal. It was right before they started one of the other songs. Can’t remember which one, tho... YCBM, maybe?

Yeah I saw that one, he was just noodling around at soundcheck.

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4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Left side, third from the top. "GNR Demos Reel 3"

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3 takes of a song called Machine Gun, and a track called Tooth Puller. There's also the Duff & Izzy '95 tracks and some West Arkeen stuff.

Machine Gun and Tooth Puller are among the Duff/Izzy 1995 tracks (it says it on the label in the picture: GnR demos April 1995). Dizzy had mentioned Tooth Puller as one of the demos Izzy had written. This seems to be the only GnR related tape. Most of the stuff in this storage space seems to have been Duff's vault, like the West Arkeen stuff, demos with Marc Lanegan etc. Actually it was mentioned in an interview Duff did with Susan when they were promoting her book. They said that Duff was informed about the tapes, he collected them and moved them somewhere safe.

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Machine Gun and Tooth Puller are among the Duff/Izzy 1995 tracks (it says it on the label in the picture: GnR demos April 1995). Dizzy had mentioned Tooth Puller as one of the demos Izzy had written. This seems to be the only GnR related tape. Most of the stuff in this storage space seems to have been Duff's vault, like the West Arkeen stuff, demos with Marc Lanegan etc. Actually it was mentioned in an interview Duff did with Susan when they were promoting her book. They said that Duff was informed about the tapes, he collected them and moved them somewhere safe.

It seems duff only retreived these recordings when the leaks went public. Its mind boggeling why duff wasnt interested in getting these recordings sooner or have them somewhere safe to begin with....

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3 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

It seems duff only retreived these recordings when the leaks went public. Its mind boggeling why duff wasnt interested in getting these recordings sooner or have them somewhere safe to begin with....

This was about a year before the leaks, it's not related. Probably Duff (or someone from his crew/techs) had forgotten these tapes.

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5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

This was about a year before the leaks, it's not related. Probably Duff (or someone from his crew/techs) had forgotten these tapes.

I think it may have been McBob, he's selling lots of old tour stuff

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5 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Yup - i was wondering if @Voodoochild got mixed up between the two OR there were also DATs in the locker. Rick never mentioned DATs which is why i was confused!

FWIW - I listen to what @axlrosefan4life has to say with this stuff given what happened before. 👍

Yeah, I assumed he was talking about the DATs. Fair enough then.

 

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I'm not speaking about the DAT tapes. Robert Bird had the village cds. He also as well got a hard drive that was in the locker. The hard drive contains over 600 tracks . I know tracks like Zodiac, Tonto, Oklahoma, and Elvis are among those in that batch with vocals

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31 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said:

I'm not speaking about the DAT tapes. Robert Bird had the village cds. He also as well got a hard drive that was in the locker. The hard drive contains over 600 tracks . I know tracks like Zodiac, Tonto, Oklahoma, and Elvis are among those in that batch with vocals

I’ve listened to his recent podcasts though - I can’t see that these songs will ever be sold or acquired by us 😕

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32 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said:

I'm not speaking about the DAT tapes. Robert Bird had the village cds. He also as well got a hard drive that was in the locker. The hard drive contains over 600 tracks . I know tracks like Zodiac, Tonto, Oklahoma, and Elvis are among those in that batch with vocals

Is it really ok to do this name drop?

Wonder if those 600 tracks includes like individual instrument tracks or just different ideas and versions of the same batch of songs.

But it's a shame we didnt get Oklahoma and Elvis with vocals. Those are really good instrumentals.

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40 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said:

I'm not speaking about the DAT tapes. Robert Bird had the village cds. He also as well got a hard drive that was in the locker. The hard drive contains over 600 tracks . I know tracks like Zodiac, Tonto, Oklahoma, and Elvis are among those in that batch with vocals

What is the story of that supposed fax sheet page with a list of song titles? What was that document about?

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On 4/3/2020 at 1:12 PM, axlrosefan4life said:

Robert E Bird the original purchaser of the locker. told me and others that he has over 600 tracks of rehearsals and unreleased music on a hard drive. Also calms to have rehearsal videos from the village. 

Doubt.

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39 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Are we sure Zutaut was still with the band when Axl laid down vocals for Oklahoma and Soul Monster? That doesn't sound right.

Axl mentioned Oklahoma vocals in 2000, so Zutaut would’ve been there. I agree tho that Soul Monster having vocals during that stint doesn’t sound right.

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42 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Are we sure Zutaut was still with the band when Axl laid down vocals for Oklahoma and Soul Monster? That doesn't sound right.

Who knows when those vocals were laid down? I believe Zutaut was removed from the project in early 2002. In an article in I believe Classic Rock it was stated that the final straw was Axl showing up to what he was told was a private screening of black hawk down and finding that the screening was not private. WTTJ was featured in the film and Zutaut had assured Axl he would be getting a private viewing. When he showed up and found other people there Axl freaked out and fired Zutaut. That movie came out in December of 2001. Now I would imagine there were many problems leading up to this moment but this incident pushed Axl over the edge. Now given that these instrumentals were completed in 1999-2000 it doesn’t seem unreasonable that vocals for some of the aforementioned tracks could have been recorded in 2001 and could have been in Zutaut’s possession. Remember the original plan back in the day had been to drop CD and drop another completed album shortly thereafter. Axl spoke about this in late 2002. I doubt he would have mentioned this if both albums were not near completion. We always assumed the vocals for songs like Soul Monster were laid down in the mid 2000s but that was never confirmed anywhere. They were most likely were completely in 2000-2001. Now others songs such has seven, the general, ect...may have been completed a bit later as we know Beltrami worked on these in 2003 and commented on them as if he heard them in near finished fashion. The greatest shame is that the majority of hardcore fans have heard none of this shit. At this point what was the fucking point? 
 

@axlrosefan4life feel free to chime in. But my guess is that I’m pretty fucking spot on. 

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Just now, rocknroll41 said:

Axl mentioned Oklahoma vocals in 2000, so Zutaut would’ve been there. I agree tho that Soul Monster having vocals during that stint doesn’t sound right.

Axl said it was inspired by his court date with Erin, but I've recently started to doubt he had recorded vocals on it at that point, since he showed it to Rolling Stone as an instrumental and it also doesn't have vocals in the leaks. Then again it was apparently an alt at HOB 2001.

4 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

Who knows when those vocals were laid down? I believe Zutaut was removed from the project in early 2002. In an article in I believe Classic Rock it was stated that the final straw was Axl showing up to what he was told was a private screening of black hawk down and finding that the screening was not private. WTTJ was featured in the film and Zutaut had assured Axl he would be getting a private viewing. When he showed up and found other people there Axl freaked out and fired Zutaut. That movie came out in December of 2001. Now I would imagine there were many problems leading up to this moment but this incident pushed Axl over the edge. Now given that these instrumentals were completed in 1999-2000 it doesn’t seem unreasonable that vocals for some of the aforementioned tracks could have been recorded in 2001 and could have been in Zutaut’s possession. Remember the original plan back in the day had been to drop CD and drop another completed album shortly thereafter. Axl spoke about this in late 2002. I doubt he would have mentioned this if both albums were not near completion. We always assumed the vocals for songs like Soul Monster were laid down in the mid 2000s but that was never confirmed anywhere. They were most likely were completely in 2000-2001. Now others songs such has seven, the general, ect...may have been completed a bit later as we know Beltrami worked on these in 2003 and commented on them as if he heard them in near finished fashion. The greatest shame is that the majority of hardcore fans have heard none of this shit. At this point was was the fucking point? 
 

@axlrosefan4life feel free to chime in. But my guess is that I’m pretty fucking spot on. 

Didn't Beltrami say none of them had vocals?

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9 hours ago, axlrosefan4life said:

I'm not speaking about the DAT tapes. Robert Bird had the village cds. He also as well got a hard drive that was in the locker. The hard drive contains over 600 tracks . I know tracks like Zodiac, Tonto, Oklahoma, and Elvis are among those in that batch with vocals

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😭 - Zodiac is killer instrumental.

In your opinion will these see the light of day at some point?

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I've mentioned somewhere in this thread that I think Guns should do a double album to beef up the back catalogue. Obviously at this point, I'd take anything if possible but, with the anniversary of UYI nearing closer, why not follow the exact same concept and release two standalone albums and tour those for 2-3 years? The market is obviously a lot different to what it was back then, but has anyone done that with such publicity since? It would certainly get people talking. 

I'm also beginning to wonder if the reason we've heard nothing in regards to the tour being postponed is due to them advertising that 2020 was going to be GNR's year. Who knows at this point? I hope they have something in the pipeline.

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2 hours ago, Dean said:

I've mentioned somewhere in this thread that I think Guns should do a double album to beef up the back catalogue. Obviously at this point, I'd take anything if possible but, with the anniversary of UYI nearing closer, why not follow the exact same concept and release two standalone albums and tour those for 2-3 years? The market is obviously a lot different to what it was back then, but has anyone done that with such publicity since? It would certainly get people talking. 

 

Werent the UYI tapes among the Universal fire losses? I remember reading somewhere that GNR tapes were lost, just remembred that as tou mentioned the UYI and the tought of a remaster crosssed mt mind

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2 hours ago, Dean said:

I've mentioned somewhere in this thread that I think Guns should do a double album to beef up the back catalogue. Obviously at this point, I'd take anything if possible but, with the anniversary of UYI nearing closer, why not follow the exact same concept and release two standalone albums and tour those for 2-3 years? The market is obviously a lot different to what it was back then, but has anyone done that with such publicity since? It would certainly get people talking. 

I'm also beginning to wonder if the reason we've heard nothing in regards to the tour being postponed is due to them advertising that 2020 was going to be GNR's year. Who knows at this point? I hope they have something in the pipeline.

Funnily enough I think the band is in exactly the same position as they were in 1990, expectations are really huge for a new album, they are struggling to find a way to do it. Releasing a shitload of material at once to compensate worked once before, so why not do it again? Side one reworked CD stuff, side two entirely new songs.?

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1 hour ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Side one reworked CD stuff, side two entirely new songs.?

could be problematic. A double album sure, but there is a lot of factors to consider when you decide the sequencing. At least more than just to which era a certain song belongs to and also they won't know after they've written new material.

what's the advantage in splitting the two eras for the band? I would think Axl will want to make it sound as cohesive as possible. UYI wasn't sequenced like that. It sounds like Axl just thought about what will have the best flow when he came up with it for those albums which I think takes precedent over everything else.

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11 minutes ago, Rovim said:

could be problematic. A double album sure, but there is a lot of factors to consider when you decide the sequencing. At least more than just to which era a certain song belongs and also they won't know after they've written new material.

what's the advantage in splitting the two eras for the band? I would think Axl will want to make it sound as cohesive as possible. UYI wasn't sequenced like that. It sounds like Axl just thought about what will have the best flow when he came up with it for those albums which I think takes precedent over everything else.

UYI was sequenced as classic hard rock album and stretching musically/experimental album. I don't see them doing that again but making all the unreleased 2000s stuff into one album will just sound more cohesive imo. I don't think Slash is bringing in songs that sound like Soul Monster or Eye On You

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8 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

UYI was sequenced as classic hard rock album and stretching musically/experimental album. I don't see them doing that again but making all the unreleased 2000s stuff into one album will just sound more cohesive imo. I don't think Slash is bringing in songs that sound like Soul Monster or Eye On You

what I mean is that the final sequencing could be dictated more by which tunes go well together, after a Slash and Duff makeover and after new material is completed. Leaked material could be updated to sound way more Gn'R and even if it's different compared to, say, a new Slash tune it can still go together well with a Chinese era tune on the same "disk".

factors are style, length, tempo, theme, etc.

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5 minutes ago, Rovim said:

what I mean is that the final sequencing could be dictated more by which tunes go well together, after a Slash and Duff makeover and after new material is completed. Leaked material could be updated to sound way more Gn'R and even if it's different compared to, say, a new Slash tune it can still go together well with a Chinese era tune on the same "disk".

factors are style, length, tempo, theme, etc.

I mean yeah they can do that, but by splitting them into 2 discs/albums that's already a really strong theme for each album. The "Axl" side of the album could be way more experimental, include industrial type sections in songs etc., Axls artistic vision fullfilled + whole other album of "classic" sound GNR songs all at once. Just seems like a win win for me instead of releasing one album with many modern type Axl songs interspersed that many fans wouldn't be fans of or don't want in a GNR album.

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