The "New Album" Thread - Susan McKagan says album is coming

[The Holographic Universe 970]

On 5/3/2020 at 7:24 PM, fowlerisgod said:

There are shitloads of technically skilled guitarists...take a look at youtube...the real skill comes from writing memorable songs, riffs, solos..making people emote...Fortus has no track record of doing that...it's absurd how he is highly rated by some on this forum

I don’t think anybody rates him high as a player with solid musical contributions, I think people are just saying his skill set is high enough to play rhythm guitar in GNR. Seriously, Gilby is cool AF to me and I loved the guy, but what has he done? Frank is maybe the only weak link and I believe Slash and Duff rehearsed with him until they felt comfortable to go on stage with him as the drummer.

[Tom-Ass 7,747]

On 5/3/2020 at 8:24 PM, fowlerisgod said:

There are shitloads of technically skilled guitarists...take a look at youtube...the real skill comes from writing memorable songs, riffs, solos..making people emote...Fortus has no track record of doing that...it's absurd how he is highly rated by some on this forum

I have shut off many youtube performances half way through due to his solos deflating a song...

[Tom-Ass 7,747]

12 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

 Gilby is cool AF to me and I loved the guy, but what has he done? 

He was on the Spaghetti Incident and most of Live Era. He was an instrumental part in making those acoustic sets as amazing as they were. His backing vocals are greatly underrated.  I know he never contributed to Gn'R original studio material but all the evidence we have shows that he could have definitely had some song writing chemistry with the band.. Slash especially. Vocals aside most people agree that the first Snakepit album kicked ass musically. That was Slash, Matt and Gilby... His first solo album featured Axl, Slash, Matt, Dizzy.. Maybe Duff too.  The songs he did with Slash on that record were great as well as the Dead Flowers cover with Axl. 

Unfortunately we will never know, but I think he could have continued to evolve flawlessly with the band.. 

[Juventino 334]

1 minute ago, Tom-Ass said:

He was on the Spaghetti Incident and most of Live Era. He was an instrumental part in making those acoustic sets as amazing as they were. His backing vocals are greatly underrated.  I know he never contributed to Gn'R original studio material but all the evidence we have shows that he could have definitely had some song writing chemistry with the band.. Slash especially. Vocals aside most people agree that the first Snakepit album kicked ass musically. That was Slash, Matt and Gilby... His first solo album featured Axl, Slash, Matt, Dizzy.. Maybe Duff too.  The songs he did with Slash on that record were great as well as the Dead Flowers cover with Axl. 

Unfortunately we will never know, but I think he could have continued to evolve flawlessly with the band.. 

And there are some great tunes on Pawnshop Guitars.

[metallex78 419]

52 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

He was on the Spaghetti Incident and most of Live Era. He was an instrumental part in making those acoustic sets as amazing as they were. His backing vocals are greatly underrated.  I know he never contributed to Gn'R original studio material but all the evidence we have shows that he could have definitely had some song writing chemistry with the band.. Slash especially. Vocals aside most people agree that the first Snakepit album kicked ass musically. That was Slash, Matt and Gilby... His first solo album featured Axl, Slash, Matt, Dizzy.. Maybe Duff too.  The songs he did with Slash on that record were great as well as the Dead Flowers cover with Axl. 

Unfortunately we will never know, but I think he could have continued to evolve flawlessly with the band.. 

Pretty much all of this above 

[MaskingApathy 2,389]

1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said:

He was on the Spaghetti Incident and most of Live Era. He was an instrumental part in making those acoustic sets as amazing as they were. His backing vocals are greatly underrated.  I know he never contributed to Gn'R original studio material but all the evidence we have shows that he could have definitely had some song writing chemistry with the band.. Slash especially. Vocals aside most people agree that the first Snakepit album kicked ass musically. That was Slash, Matt and Gilby... His first solo album featured Axl, Slash, Matt, Dizzy.. Maybe Duff too.  The songs he did with Slash on that record were great as well as the Dead Flowers cover with Axl. 

Unfortunately we will never know, but I think he could have continued to evolve flawlessly with the band.. 

I agree. Love Gilby and I think he's a great songwriter and guitarist.

[Gold top 78 346]

7 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

He was on the Spaghetti Incident and most of Live Era. He was an instrumental part in making those acoustic sets as amazing as they were. His backing vocals are greatly underrated.  I know he never contributed to Gn'R original studio material but all the evidence we have shows that he could have definitely had some song writing chemistry with the band.. Slash especially. Vocals aside most people agree that the first Snakepit album kicked ass musically. That was Slash, Matt and Gilby... His first solo album featured Axl, Slash, Matt, Dizzy.. Maybe Duff too.  The songs he did with Slash on that record were great as well as the Dead Flowers cover with Axl. 

Unfortunately we will never know, but I think he could have continued to evolve flawlessly with the band.. 

Totally agree i thought Gilby was a good replacement for Izzy it’s  just a pity Axl didn’t see it that way. 

[ZODIAC 300]

I'm wondering,  when this thread finally turns into this 'who is "real Gn'R" ' crap discussion. 😉 

I think we are very close...

[allwaystired 2,851]

1 hour ago, ZODIAC said:

I'm wondering,  when this thread finally turns into this 'who is "real Gn'R" ' crap discussion. 😉 

I think we are very close...

Most threads go down that route eventually! 

[Sweersa 646]

Let's just end this debate and all agree Paul Tobias carries the GN'R name with his guitar.

[allwaystired 2,851]

Just now, Sweersa said:

Let's just end this debate and all agree Paul Tobias carries the GN'R name with his guitar.

He probably carries the name on his guitar case. 

[Sweersa 646]

So eventual CD2 song credits, how many times will Robin, Paul, Brain, and Buckethead appear on it in both writing and performance on the record?

[bassplayer1993 83]

Wow, 4tus hate outta nowhere? The guy is super respectful and does everything to make the BAND sound great and never tries to make it all about him, unlike some previous guitar players, especially ones with top hats who HAVEN'T performed on the classic albums. He actually adapted his gear and technique to better suit playing with Slash. Gilby did the same many years ago.

Do you know how annoying and embarassing it must be to change from your preferred gear to something completely different only so that another person can shine through in a band? Well they both took it like champs with no problems and never had any issues with it.

He's most of all a professional. He did not come from an "underground band making it big" background, but from "well known and respected session player" territory. He happened to have the right feel and find a great opportunity to do something that allows him to play music which is true to his roots with GNR. Funnily enough I remember him saying he never really liked GNR before he joined.

Dig into his material and you'll find many cool bits. Especially with the Compulsions if you don't believe in him as a rock player. The Dead Daisies were cool, but they're not really a band, just a rich Australian man living out his rock n' roll fantasy camp dreams with daddy's money. I lost interest in them the moment  the current lineup appeared, that was the moment where I understood that it never really was a band. And you can find my name in the credits of their last album with John Corabi... so yeah, was a fan.

And FFS... if you think he's an "Izzy lookalike" get better glasses. If every man with medium dark hair is an "Izzy lookalike" then I take it up to another level and say they're Ronnie Wood lookalikes. That statement is just as dumb.

To top it off, he's a nice and loyal guy. I've had the pleasure to talk to him once. Very respectful and kind. (Though out of GNR members I've talked to/exchanged messages with the highlights will always be Robin and Bumblefoot, who was the coolest guy ever, I feel bad that I hate his contributions to ChiDem because he's such a cool dude.)

 

Fortus is the right guy for the job. I hope he stays until GNR ends.

Edited May 5, 2020 by bassplayer1993
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[allwaystired 2,851]

7 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Wow, 4tus hate outta nowhere? The guy is super respectful and does everything to make the BAND sound great and never tries to make it all about him, unlike some previous guitar players, especially ones with top hats who HAVEN'T performed on the classic albums. He actually adapted his gear and technique to better suit playing with Slash. Gilby did the same many years ago.

Do you know how annoying and embarassing it must be to change from your preferred gear to something completely different only so that another person can shine through in a band? Well they both took it like champs with no problems and never had any issues with it.

He's most of all a professional. He did not come from an "underground band making it big" background, but from "well known and respected session player" territory. He happened to have the right feel and find a great opportunity to do something that allows him to play music which is true to his roots with GNR. Funnily enough I remember him saying he never really liked GNR before he joined.

Dig into his material and you'll find many cool bits. Especially with the Compulsions if you don't believe in him as a rock player. The Dead Daisies were cool, but they're not really a band, just a rich Australian man living out his rock n' roll fantasy camp dreams with daddy's money. I lost interest in them the moment  the current lineup appeared, that was the moment where I understood that it never really was a band. And you can find my name in the credits of their last album with John Corabi... so yeah, was a fan.

And FFS... if you think he's an "Izzy lookalike" get better glasses. If every man with medium dark hair is an "Izzy lookalike" then I take it up to another level and say they're Ronnie Wood lookalikes. That statement is just as dumb.

To top it off, he's a nice and loyal guy. I've had the pleasure to talk to him once. Very respectful and kind. (Though out of GNR members I've talked to/exchanged messages with the highlights will always be Robin and Bumblefoot, who was the coolest guy ever, I feel bad that I hate his contributions to ChiDem because he's such a cool dude.)

 

Fortus is the right guy for the job. I hope he stays until GNR ends.

I don't really see any 'hate' to be honest. Just a discussion going on about his playing. 

[RussTCB 21,700]

30 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Wow, 4tus hate outta nowhere? 

Lol @ "hate". There's no hate going on here. Just the same discussions that have happened since 2002 or so. 

[bassplayer1993 83]

Sorry, Fortus is my favorite member, I get triggered about it easily because of years of the "Izzy clone" crap... been hearing the same stuff over and over since before BBF joined

[Voodoochild 961]

51 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Wow, 4tus hate outta nowhere? The guy is super respectful and does everything to make the BAND sound great and never tries to make it all about him, unlike some previous guitar players, especially ones with top hats who HAVEN'T performed on the classic albums. He actually adapted his gear and technique to better suit playing with Slash. Gilby did the same many years ago.

Do you know how annoying and embarassing it must be to change from your preferred gear to something completely different only so that another person can shine through in a band? Well they both took it like champs with no problems and never had any issues with it.

He's most of all a professional. He did not come from an "underground band making it big" background, but from "well known and respected session player" territory. He happened to have the right feel and find a great opportunity to do something that allows him to play music which is true to his roots with GNR. Funnily enough I remember him saying he never really liked GNR before he joined.

Dig into his material and you'll find many cool bits. Especially with the Compulsions if you don't believe in him as a rock player. The Dead Daisies were cool, but they're not really a band, just a rich Australian man living out his rock n' roll fantasy camp dreams with daddy's money. I lost interest in them the moment  the current lineup appeared, that was the moment where I understood that it never really was a band. And you can find my name in the credits of their last album with John Corabi... so yeah, was a fan.

And FFS... if you think he's an "Izzy lookalike" get better glasses. If every man with medium dark hair is an "Izzy lookalike" then I take it up to another level and say they're Ronnie Wood lookalikes. That statement is just as dumb.

To top it off, he's a nice and loyal guy. I've had the pleasure to talk to him once. Very respectful and kind. (Though out of GNR members I've talked to/exchanged messages with the highlights will always be Robin and Bumblefoot, who was the coolest guy ever, I feel bad that I hate his contributions to ChiDem because he's such a cool dude.)

 

Fortus is the right guy for the job. I hope he stays until GNR ends.

I met him once, he seemed cool but didn't really wanted to talk a lot. 

He also played some cool leads on Tommy Stinson's Village Gorilla Head, which is an excellent album. 

How was your talk/messaging with Robin?

[bassplayer1993 83]

12 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I met him once, he seemed cool but didn't really wanted to talk a lot. 

He also played some cool leads on Tommy Stinson's Village Gorilla Head, which is an excellent album. 

How was your talk/messaging with Robin?

Back in the day he had a cool call and response thing on his website where he had a question/thought and people could send in either an answer or picture in reply and he would put up his favorites.

When I was 11 years old and just got into GNR I sent in some early digital art I created. He loved it. I wish I still had it, that was like 5 computers ago.

He sent me the warmest, kindest encouraging thank you e-mail you could ever imagine and added my picture to the gallery. It was not copy-paste, it was personalized and you could see he took the time to read my message to him and where I'm from.

I'd rather not share the message in public, I believe a private message is a private message. I still have it on one of my old e-mail accounts, I log onto it only so that I don't lose that message, and another one from BBF, who was just as nice and encouraging.

 

Imagine the joy it gave an 11 year old!

[bassplayer1993 83]

Most of all both of them seemed to be hyped that an 11 year old would be so into what they were doing and did their absolute best to keep me motivated (I'd told both that I just picked up guitar that year.)

I wish we could hear more unreleased stuff with Robin. All that potential... gone.

[janrichmond 9,710]

4 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Back in the day he had a cool call and response thing on his website where he had a question/thought and people could send in either an answer or picture in reply and he would put up his favorites.

When I was 11 years old and just got into GNR I sent in some early digital art I created. He loved it. I wish I still had it, that was like 5 computers ago.

He sent me the warmest, kindest encouraging thank you e-mail you could ever imagine and added my picture to the gallery. It was not copy-paste, it was personalized and you could see he took the time to read my message to him and where I'm from.

I'd rather not share the message in public, I believe a private message is a private message. I still have it on one of my old e-mail accounts, I log onto it only so that I don't lose that message, and another one from BBF, who was just as nice and encouraging.

 

Imagine the joy it gave an 11 year old!

That is so sweet! I don't hate any of them* but we all have our favourite

 

*Except Ashba 

[El Guapo 1,186]

1 minute ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Most of all both of them seemed to be hyped that an 11 year old would be so into what they were doing and did their absolute best to keep me motivated (I'd told both that I just picked up guitar that year.)

I wish we could hear more unreleased stuff with Robin. All that potential... gone.

What happend to Robins solo album, does anybody know? I would be very interested in hearing that.

[bassplayer1993 83]

3 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

What happend to Robins solo album, does anybody know? I would be very interested in hearing that.

Trent deciding to un-retire NIN for good happened.

Big loss... hearing snippets of his playing in random places like that Ernie Ball video make you really wish he'd release it!

Edited May 5, 2020 by bassplayer1993

[El Guapo 1,186]

51 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Trent deciding to un-retire NIN for good happened.

Big loss... hearing snippets of his playing in random places like that Ernie Ball video make you really wish he'd release it!

Ok, since he's related to GnR we'll probably never see it released. 🙄

[RussTCB 21,700]

1 hour ago, bassplayer1993 said:

Trent deciding to un-retire NIN for good happened.

Big loss... hearing snippets of his playing in random places like that Ernie Ball video make you really wish he'd release it!

I've been looking forward to that Robin solo album for ages and yet we'll never get it. Ah yes, the life of a GNR fan haha. 

[Its Tino 342]

I have great respect for 4tus. But how could he be someone’s favorite GNR guitar player? 
 

He has exactly 0 writing credits as a member of GNR. 
 

He only played rhythm on exactly 5 tracks on CD. And not to mention on the 5 tracks he’s layered in with FIVE (5) or more other guitarists!!! Give me a break. 
 

That being said, I still would love to eventually hear the matieral he’s been working on with the band for the past decade plus. I have no issues with him being in the band.