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5 hours ago, El Guapo said:

I was never so bored with Guns N' Roses. The whole NuGnr era was pretty bad, but never this boring. 

 

It's incredible that 4.5 years after the reunion, they haven't even released a song let alone an album. People really thought things would change when Slash and Duff came back, and I was one of those people, but once I realized that Slash and Duff had essentially joined the NuGNR touring machine, my interest disappeared. Throw in the fact that Fermanager is an idiot who is openly rude to the fanbase, and I wonder why I still care at all...

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12 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

It's incredible that 4.5 years after the reunion, they haven't even released a song let alone an album. People really thought things would change when Slash and Duff came back, and I was one of those people, but once I realized that Slash and Duff had essentially joined the NuGNR touring machine, my interest disappeared. Throw in the fact that Fermanager is an idiot who is openly rude to the fanbase, and I wonder why I still care at all...

There was a guy who predicted all that and you all laughed at him. Mother Goose was right!

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I fully believe if the reunion had not had happened, we would have had the follow-up to CD by 2020, at the latest. 

We know from Axl it had been recorded for a while, years ago, and I'm certain when the reunion was in the air a year or two leading up to 2016, they had to re-work at least some of it with Slash and Duff, perhaps Melissa and Frank, etc. which makes sense.

It really is a damn shame "new GN'R" only put out one album. At the very least, two would have been great since we know at least two albums and a half were done in 2006, per Axl in the Eddie Trunk radio show. I'd imagine they have done more since 2006 too, so who knows. Bumblefoot has said he had recorded on many other songs that were not on CD, and we know that to be true on some of the leaks with his guitar work. That means they may have up to 2+ albums of material in the vault now, not including stuff Axl never intends on releasing. 

Who knows what forms material like OMG2, Silkworms, State Of Grace, and Eye On You, etc. will take, if anything. Or unheard heavy Bucket guitar driven songs that we only got instrumentals of (mostly) from the Village leaks. As much as most of us would love to hear those, it would also be a shame if Bucket's stuff was re-recorded by Slash since their styles are very, very different. 

At this point, I'm thinking it best to come up with an album with a few of the best CD era songs that have yet to be released, along with totally new stuff with the current lineup. Then, years later, maybe the 15th or 20th anniversary of the 2008 CD album, drop a 3+ disc CD era set including CD2 and CD3 with many bonus tracks to possibly include a 4th disc with the alt covers or whatever. That would be killer. I'd pay $1,000 for that easy, but I'm a crazy fan like many of you. They could do a special flash drive with audio files like they did with AFD as an option too, include it all, 1999 Sean B produced album, the 2002 RTB album, etc. CD remix album, CD2, whatever DJ Ashba recorded with them, get it all out there for the die hard fans and take my money please. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 1:12 AM, 2020_Intensions said:

Ya'll seriously are convincing yourself's that Axl can pull off DON'T DAMN ME now in 2020/2021? LOL he never even attempted it back during the peak of his career .... I know yous heard Dead Horse .... He can't even sing THAT song anymore ... 

Well there was slash doing the intro to fast when they first started it, then for some unknown reason they seem to fuck it up in the middle. I think axl comes in tk soon after the solo, and they dont know how to end it before axl does the spoken word stuff at the end. The times they have done it, they just seem out of synch.

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12 hours ago, Sosso said:

There was a guy who predicted all that and you all laughed at him. Mother Goose was right!

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Pitman was part of the problem though. He had no qualms about taking the payday when he was in the band and only spouted the shite he did when he realised that they (MGMT) were making such a big fuss over Slash and Duff rejoining and wanted to have people guessing who was actually in the band (much like Axl done with Bumble in '06), that was when the toys got thrown out of the pram. Keeping in mind he was the one that said "Guns N' Roses do not need to release music". 

I'm a big fan of Pitman's work on Chinese, he was an integral part of it's creation, but attacking the fan base for something so miniscule when he took to Twitter after being on the drink? Fuck him. 

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Honestly.... so so so so many missed opportunities with this band.

The fan base is lining up gagging for releases.

GnR should acknowledge that they have a very local passionate fan base, and reward them as such.

We compared GnR to Deep Purple a few weeks back on another topic, but to use the same band as a comparison - look at their discography. Or The Beatles. Or even bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd. Huge bands with loyal followings but who constantly release live albums, box sets, new albums, etc. New albums aside GnR could trawl through the archive and do the same - live releases for each line up / each era, vinyl box sets, remasters, deluxe editions. Not $1000, but multiple releases focussing on the music (not the box the music comes in). It wouldn't take a great amount of work and would better cement the legacy, whilst the average fans wouldn't even notice so wouldn't hurt the concert revenue. Most of us are completists and would buy all these types of releases, rewarding the band for their "art". Not just constantly pushing t-shirts or branded tat (and tattoos!).

That kind of approach is what separates artists from brands.

GnR are floating through a cesspit of drivel towards the latter, and it's almost beyond the point of no return. Almost.

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13 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

Honestly.... so so so so many missed opportunities with this band.

The fan base is lining up gagging for releases.

GnR should acknowledge that they have a very local passionate fan base, and reward them as such.

We compared GnR to Deep Purple a few weeks back on another topic, but to use the same band as a comparison - look at their discography. Or The Beatles. Or even bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd. Huge bands with loyal followings but who constantly release live albums, box sets, new albums, etc. New albums aside GnR could trawl through the archive and do the same - live releases for each line up / each era, vinyl box sets, remasters, deluxe editions. Not $1000, but multiple releases focussing on the music (not the box the music comes in). It wouldn't take a great amount of work and would better cement the legacy, whilst the average fans wouldn't even notice so wouldn't hurt the concert revenue. Most of us are completists and would buy all these types of releases, rewarding the band for their "art". Not just constantly pushing t-shirts or branded tat (and tattoos!).

That kind of approach is what separates artists from brands.

GnR are floating through a cesspit of drivel towards the latter, and it's almost beyond the point of no return. Almost.

I'm definitely on the way out. At this point, they would have to win me back, so to speak. That could still happen with great new music. If all they can do now is putting some lazy Slash solos on top of some mediocre Chinese leftovers, I'm probably done for good.

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13 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I fully believe if the reunion had not had happened, we would have had the follow-up to CD by 2020, at the latest. 

We know from Axl it had been recorded for a while, years ago, and I'm certain when the reunion was in the air a year or two leading up to 2016, they had to re-work at least some of it with Slash and Duff, perhaps Melissa and Frank, etc. which makes sense.

It really is a damn shame "new GN'R" only put out one album. At the very least, two would have been great since we know at least two albums and a half were done in 2006, per Axl in the Eddie Trunk radio show. I'd imagine they have done more since 2006 too, so who knows. Bumblefoot has said he had recorded on many other songs that were not on CD, and we know that to be true on some of the leaks with his guitar work. That means they may have up to 2+ albums of material in the vault now, not including stuff Axl never intends on releasing. 

Who knows what forms material like OMG2, Silkworms, State Of Grace, and Eye On You, etc. will take, if anything. Or unheard heavy Bucket guitar driven songs that we only got instrumentals of (mostly) from the Village leaks. As much as most of us would love to hear those, it would also be a shame if Bucket's stuff was re-recorded by Slash since their styles are very, very different. 

At this point, I'm thinking it best to come up with an album with a few of the best CD era songs that have yet to be released, along with totally new stuff with the current lineup. Then, years later, maybe the 15th or 20th anniversary of the 2008 CD album, drop a 3+ disc CD era set including CD2 and CD3 with many bonus tracks to possibly include a 4th disc with the alt covers or whatever. That would be killer. I'd pay $1,000 for that easy, but I'm a crazy fan like many of you. They could do a special flash drive with audio files like they did with AFD as an option too, include it all, 1999 Sean B produced album, the 2002 RTB album, etc. CD remix album, CD2, whatever DJ Ashba recorded with them, get it all out there for the die hard fans and take my money please. 

The band is a joke, you think Axl has all of those different versions to hand? He probably forgot they exist. Do GnR seem like the type of outfit that plan ahead for re releases and alternate versions? They have a few guys who suck axls dick, and a band that enjoy easy money. GnR have been a Myth since 2006. Pub bands are run better. 

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1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

I'm definitely on the way out. At this point, they would have to win me back, so to speak. That could still happen with great new music. If all they can do now is putting some lazy Slash solos on top of some mediocre Chinese leftovers, I'm probably done for good.

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1 hour ago, ToonGuns said:

Honestly.... so so so so many missed opportunities with this band.

The fan base is lining up gagging for releases.

GnR should acknowledge that they have a very local passionate fan base, and reward them as such.

We compared GnR to Deep Purple a few weeks back on another topic, but to use the same band as a comparison - look at their discography. Or The Beatles. Or even bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd. Huge bands with loyal followings but who constantly release live albums, box sets, new albums, etc. New albums aside GnR could trawl through the archive and do the same - live releases for each line up / each era, vinyl box sets, remasters, deluxe editions. Not $1000, but multiple releases focussing on the music (not the box the music comes in). It wouldn't take a great amount of work and would better cement the legacy, whilst the average fans wouldn't even notice so wouldn't hurt the concert revenue. Most of us are completists and would buy all these types of releases, rewarding the band for their "art". Not just constantly pushing t-shirts or branded tat (and tattoos!).

That kind of approach is what separates artists from brands.

GnR are floating through a cesspit of drivel towards the latter, and it's almost beyond the point of no return. Almost.

GNR have a lot more in common with Van Halen than any other band. Run by a crazy control freak. Nobody knows what is going on. They release no statements, they are barely active... they've such a tangled history! anyway, a VH/GNR tour would be the perfect combo! 

I don't see gnr releasing any commemorative release of CD, and I don't see the label pushing for it either. Outside of the forums the interest levels in the music recorded between 1999-2015 is minimal... We would love to hear finished versions of the songs but I don't think it's a legitimate prospect outside of GNR releasing those songs as the next GNR album... at this point, I don't care. I'd rather hear an all new record that has songs written a few months/years ago and not 20+ year old songs, but it'll be what it'll be! BUT if it's good then who cares if the materials 20 years old or not? 

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2 hours ago, ToonGuns said:

Honestly.... so so so so many missed opportunities with this band.

The fan base is lining up gagging for releases.

GnR should acknowledge that they have a very local passionate fan base, and reward them as such.

We compared GnR to Deep Purple a few weeks back on another topic, but to use the same band as a comparison - look at their discography. Or The Beatles. Or even bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd. Huge bands with loyal followings but who constantly release live albums, box sets, new albums, etc. New albums aside GnR could trawl through the archive and do the same - live releases for each line up / each era, vinyl box sets, remasters, deluxe editions. Not $1000, but multiple releases focussing on the music (not the box the music comes in). It wouldn't take a great amount of work and would better cement the legacy, whilst the average fans wouldn't even notice so wouldn't hurt the concert revenue. Most of us are completists and would buy all these types of releases, rewarding the band for their "art". Not just constantly pushing t-shirts or branded tat (and tattoos!).

That kind of approach is what separates artists from brands.

GnR are floating through a cesspit of drivel towards the latter, and it's almost beyond the point of no return. Almost.

Yeah absolutely. I just don't understand it at all. How are these t-shirts that they continually pump out still even making money? I appreciate that the markup is massive on a shirt, but who is still buying them? Other than the 'why not accessorize your look with an iconic rock shirt' high-street crowd who wouldn't know a GNR tune that wasn't SCOM if it bit them on the arse, who is the market? If I see someone in a GNR shirt these days I can pretty much guarantee by looking at it that now or care nothing about the band....but surely those people have had enough of buying them now? They'll be dumped in secondhand clothing stores left right and centre, surely? 

What does that leave? I really don't understand it. I get that making money is the aim, but this revenue stream must be teetering on the edge now, then what? The live revenue stream is similar, as ticket sales are showing. There doesn't seem to be anything beyond these things now. I'm (as other people posting on here are also) an easy mark for this band. I'll buy stuff, instantly. Live albums, demos, unreleased stuff, whatever. What I won't do though is buy anything that isn't music related, just for the sake of it.

It's an absurd situation. Why on earth is my favourite band turning into this? 

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38 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah absolutely. I just don't understand it at all. How are these t-shirts that they continually pump out still even making money? I appreciate that the markup is massive on a shirt, but who is still buying them? Other than the 'why not accessorize your look with an iconic rock shirt' high-street crowd who wouldn't know a GNR tune that wasn't SCOM if it bit them on the arse, who is the market? If I see someone in a GNR shirt these days I can pretty much guarantee by looking at it that now or care nothing about the band....but surely those people have had enough of buying them now? They'll be dumped in secondhand clothing stores left right and centre, surely? 

What does that leave? I really don't understand it. I get that making money is the aim, but this revenue stream must be teetering on the edge now, then what? The live revenue stream is similar, as ticket sales are showing. There doesn't seem to be anything beyond these things now. I'm (as other people posting on here are also) an easy mark for this band. I'll buy stuff, instantly. Live albums, demos, unreleased stuff, whatever. What I won't do though is buy anything that isn't music related, just for the sake of it.

It's an absurd situation. Why on earth is my favourite band turning into this? 

Yup. They keep getting branded with the ‘legacy band label’ but legacy bands almost exclusively regurgitate/repackage historical releases OR mine the live vaults which the fans lap up......GNR don’t even do that (apart from the AFD Deluxe set).

GNR are in a position where their core fan base is probably now of the age where there is more disposable cash....and would love to spend it on sweet live releases/new material. More than bloody trucks anyway.
 

If they wanted to just be a legacy act then fine - I’m actually OK with that - just pillage the mountains of material in the locker/vault to throw us fans a bone. Every other band out there would KILL to have a fan base willing to snap-up ANY material new or old....you do have to wonder what the issue is.

I know Fernando said there would be a live release and hope this is still on track but sometimes I wonder if there is a legal issue preventing the most basic task of releasing already filmed/recorded gigs.

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2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Outside of the forums the interest levels in the music recorded between 1999-2015 is minimal... We would love to hear finished versions of the songs but I don't think it's a legitimate prospect outside of GNR releasing those songs as the next GNR album... at this point, I don't care. I'd rather hear an all new record that has songs written a few months/years ago and not 20+ year old songs, but it'll be what it'll be! BUT if it's good then who cares if the materials 20 years old or not? 

Outside of the forums, the interest the casual listener (at least a sizable portion) has in Chinese Democracy is minimal, and that is down to either laziness for not listening to the record because Slash isn't on it, because Slash doesn't feature, and I would bet a fraction of that is because they genuinely don't like it. Who knows.

Everyone outside of this forum will be unaware how old the music is on a potential new album anyway if we are to assume it will feature predominantly music created during the Chinese sessions. Watch them lap it up though if that is the case. They'll love seeing a new release from the big 3 and Stinson, Finck, Tobias etc etc will be loving another payday (they deserve it)

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5 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Yup. They keep getting branded with the ‘legacy band label’ but legacy bands almost exclusively regurgitate/repackage historical releases OR mine the live vaults which the fans lap up......GNR don’t even do that (apart from the AFD Deluxe set).

GNR are in a position where their core fan base is probably now of the age where there is more disposable cash....and would love to spend it on sweet live releases/new material. More than bloody trucks anyway.
 

If they wanted to just be a legacy act then fine - I’m actually OK with that - just pillage the mountains of material in the locker/vault to throw us fans a bone. Every other band out there would KILL to have a fan base willing to snap-up ANY material new or old....you do have to wonder what the issue is.

I know Fernando said there would be a live release and hope this is still on track but sometimes I wonder if there is a legal issue preventing the most basic task of releasing already filmed/recorded gigs.

That 'legacy band' label seems to basically mean 'were good in the past, now they're not'. There's no reason whatsoever for GNR to be a legacy band....but they seem to want to be that, for some inexplicable reason. I'm not really alright with them being labelled that as I think they have much more to offer, but as they don't want to offer it or be anything else, it is what it is. 

As you say, if it is what they want to be - OK, then release some stuff to cement that role. Instead we get a permanently touring band constantly dangling a carrot of imminent new material as some sort of bait and switch. It's difficult to see how they expect this modus operandi to attract anything other than hostility. 

We've been led, from the day CD was released, to believe new material is very close, to the point of insanity. 

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15 minutes ago, Dean said:

Outside of the forums, the interest the casual listener (at least a sizable portion) has in Chinese Democracy is minimal, and that is down to either laziness for not listening to the record because Slash isn't on it, because Slash doesn't feature, and I would bet a fraction of that is because they genuinely don't like it. Who knows.

Everyone outside of this forum will be unaware how old the music is on a potential new album anyway if we are to assume it will feature predominantly music created during the Chinese sessions. Watch them lap it up though if that is the case. They'll love seeing a new release from the big 3 and Stinson, Finck, Tobias etc etc will be loving another payday (they deserve it)

I agree, most people I knew who were gnr fans never bought or listened to the album, but they had the strongest opinions... cut to 2017, GNR are playing CD songs live with Slash and suddenly they are posting the title track on their timeline... people are dumb. And! you are also right that even though the music we presume will be released is written by Robin, Tommy etc. most people will not look that close into it and love it... right up until pitchfork writes a story about how the old CD band actually wrote the glorious GNR reunion album... I feel like Nostradamus😄

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1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah absolutely. I just don't understand it at all. How are these t-shirts that they continually pump out still even making money? I appreciate that the markup is massive on a shirt, but who is still buying them? Other than the 'why not accessorize your look with an iconic rock shirt' high-street crowd who wouldn't know a GNR tune that wasn't SCOM if it bit them on the arse, who is the market? If I see someone in a GNR shirt these days I can pretty much guarantee by looking at it that now or care nothing about the band....but surely those people have had enough of buying them now? They'll be dumped in secondhand clothing stores left right and centre, surely? 

What does that leave? I really don't understand it. I get that making money is the aim, but this revenue stream must be teetering on the edge now, then what? The live revenue stream is similar, as ticket sales are showing. There doesn't seem to be anything beyond these things now. I'm (as other people posting on here are also) an easy mark for this band. I'll buy stuff, instantly. Live albums, demos, unreleased stuff, whatever. What I won't do though is buy anything that isn't music related, just for the sake of it.

It's an absurd situation. Why on earth is my favourite band turning into this? 

Unfortunately GNR are now the thing that between 87 and 93 they swore they would never be.

I know people that are interested in hard rock who think that SOYL when they first heard it on the radio was a brand new song. To the band and MGT, This is the majority of the fanbase.

Im more eager for the illusion anniversary stuff that they will do then what iam for new music. Part of that is the current  lineup that i dont like, and whatever songs are on an album we will be wondering and asking whethet it was a nuguns song, which member was on the original rather than the band doing a new album from scratch where those sorts of questions will not be applicable and not comparing to the nuguns lineup.

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6 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

That 'legacy band' label seems to basically mean 'were good in the past, now they're not'. There's no reason whatsoever for GNR to be a legacy band....but they seem to want to be that, for some inexplicable reason. I'm not really alright with them being labelled that as I think they have much more to offer, but as they don't want to offer it or be anything else, it is what it is. 

As you say, if it is what they want to be - OK, then release some stuff to cement that role. Instead we get a permanently touring band constantly dangling a carrot of imminent new material as some sort of bait and switch. It's difficult to see how they expect this modus operandi to attract anything other than hostility. 

We've been led, from the day CD was released, to believe new material is very close, to the point of insanity. 

Yeah - I mean, I think of course they are better than ‘legacy’ level however they are doing their level best to seem that way.

If they wanted to cash their chips in and just say “we ain’t interested in new stuff” and wanted to rest on what they have then fine....at least we know where they stand - although they are selling themselves WELL short on that front. Even if you just look at the Locker demos as a starting point for potential songs/ideas then IMO there is guaranteed quality material there already....so if it was to be adapted/changed etc to work for the current line-up, it won’t make it any less good. And that’s not even factoring in anything written and recorded latter 2000s or since then.
 

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4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

That 'legacy band' label seems to basically mean 'were good in the past, now they're not'. There's no reason whatsoever for GNR to be a legacy band....but they seem to want to be that, for some inexplicable reason. I'm not really alright with them being labelled that as I think they have much more to offer, but as they don't want to offer it or be anything else, it is what it is. 

As you say, if it is what they want to be - OK, then release some stuff to cement that role. Instead we get a permanently touring band constantly dangling a carrot of imminent new material as some sort of bait and switch. It's difficult to see how they expect this modus operandi to attract anything other than hostility. 

We've been led, from the day CD was released, to believe new material is very close, to the point of insanity. 

Didn't he say something along the lines of not having to wait as long for the next record. I'd love for someone to get that interview out of him, I can't understand why someone has a record almost or completely done and does not release it when he has a fanbase that are begging for a new release. Maybe he saw projected sales for a follow up to CD and got scared?

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2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Outside of the forums the interest levels in the music recorded between 1999-2015 is minimal...

Probably yep.

But... why not respect the fans anyway. Release it. Nothing to lose - hardcore fans will lap it up, every day punters won't notice. So nothing lost, everything gained.

We're getting into legacy territory now... what do Guns guys want their future legacy to be? Once you're gone money is meaningless, legacy is everything. They should respect the legacy more.

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Just now, Tom2112 said:

Didn't he say something along the lines of not having to wait as long for the next record. I'd love for someone to get that interview out of him, I can't understand why someone has a record almost or completely done and does not release it when he has a fanbase that are begging for a new release. Maybe he saw projected sales for a follow up to CD and got scared?

The natural assumption someone would make is probably that the records are never almost or completely done. 

Which I think brings us back to the 'new album'.............

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