The "New Album" Thread - Susan McKagan says album is coming

[GnR Chris 913]

On 12/1/2020 at 11:04 AM, JimiRose said:

Yes, whilst this new SP album for the most part is dreadful, 

Disagree with this assessment. It isn't dreadful. They just went for a contemporary record by design. Corgan wanted to make something synth pop. Which is cool. It's different. There's something that any Pumpkin fan can like on it, at least a song or two. I have to listen more for a true review. I like that he keeps trying to do new things. Next record is supposed to be a rock opera.

[GoForJMark 701]

I wish we all could not give this guy another spotlight. Leaks ruin any potential surprise on the new record.

However, we'd still probably listen to these half-assed demos. And there probably won't be any new record at all. 

We can't have nice things. 

[GnR Chris 913]

On 12/3/2020 at 8:06 PM, gavgnr said:

I’ve thought this for ages now...the fan base aka hardcores are considered ‘the enemy’. The band just wants the boomers who love the classics to pay well over the odds for concert tix. That’s where the money is. 

Bruh. I have heard these boomers say countless times they don't want new music or they don't care about new music. It's one thing to just be all, "I'm stuck in 1987 forever." But it's another to actively say you hope they don't release new music as if it somehow erases their past work. These fans literally want to go hear "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" at every concert for the rest of their lives and relive that half decade of the '80s/early '90s for the rest of their time.

Edited December 7, 2020 by GnR Chris

[Sydney Fan 1,963]

On 12/5/2020 at 9:57 AM, DTJ80 said:

I must admit that I can’t think of too many changes that I’ve noticed - he does do something odd at the start of Paradise City which sounds weird - misses a snare hit or something.

Im all for Iconic songs being faithful to the source material....although I do get why some folk would want to change it from time to time too - ‘just to freshen it up’.

Re Sorum - I think a lot of people forget how good a drummer he is because of all the attention his ‘ego’ gets.

Yep, i know people say his playing feels robotic but to me, his drumming on the illusion albums suited the songs.

[Sydney Fan 1,963]

2 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

Bruh. I have heard these boomers say countless times they don't want new music or they don't care about new music. It's one thing to just be all, "I'm stuck in 1987 forever." But it's another to actively say you hope they don't release new music as if it somehow erases their past work. These fans literally want to go hear "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" at every concert for the rest of their lives and relive that half decade of the '80s/early '90s for the rest of their time.

I can sort of get on board with that line of thinking if the band play a shitload of deep cuts, and zero covers but thats not possible.

[Tadsy 578]

5 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

Bruh. I have heard these boomers say countless times they don't want new music or they don't care about new music. It's one thing to just be all, "I'm stuck in 1987 forever." But it's another to actively say you hope they don't release new music as if it somehow erases their past work. These fans literally want to go hear "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" at every concert for the rest of their lives and relive that half decade of the '80s/early '90s for the rest of their time.

This is me. Not ashamed to admit it either 🤣 

it is what it is these days. I just embrace it now. 

[bumcheecksmcghee 37]

Im only mid 30's and im over kohd..scom...etc... 

I say all hail the leaks... New music is new riffs an [lyrics] to sing,whistle and hum along too lol....

#stateofgracestudiovocals!

[jamillos 1,895]

The question that needs to be asked: if there was "more to come", why would the leakers have waited for two years? 

[CAFC Nick 364]

16 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I didn't say I wouldn't listen eventually, I said I wouldn't be in any hurry to do so. 

In years past, I literally dropped everything the moment I heard about new leaks. Nowadays, there's wayyyyyy too many other great and new (or new to me) artists that I can invest my time in. 

I recently heard about a band called Green Lung, for example. Listening to them and other artists who actually WANT to put out music for their fans excites me far more than 20 year old songs that the artist doesn't want me to hear for some strange reason. 

Green Lung are awesome! Caught them in London last year, glad you enjoyed too!

[JimiRose 278]

9 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

Disagree with this assessment. It isn't dreadful. They just went for a contemporary record by design. Corgan wanted to make something synth pop. Which is cool. It's different. There's something that any Pumpkin fan can like on it, at least a song or two. I have to listen more for a true review. I like that he keeps trying to do new things. Next record is supposed to be a rock opera.

Sorry, I am a massive pumpkins fan but I have to disagree. I have every single album and love them all. When I heard it was going to be more poppy, I was down for that. But you have 3 guitarists, (himself being a genius) and one of the best drummers in the world. And you completely neuter them on this album, in favour of bad gary numan rip offs? Synth done well can be great. But he's written 1 average song 20 times on this album. The vocal melodies are repetitive, the synth sounds like a bad pro tools effort an the lyrics are meandering. He does great operatic rock, heavy metal, alt rock and acoustic rock and pop. This is just shit sadly. But, the saving grace is, unlike GnR i know it'll only be a couple years till the next album, and assuming this bombs as it is doing commercially and critically, it'll be a different direction, which I hope corgan will nail. 

[allwaystired 2,665]

10 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

Bruh. I have heard these boomers say countless times they don't want new music or they don't care about new music. It's one thing to just be all, "I'm stuck in 1987 forever." But it's another to actively say you hope they don't release new music as if it somehow erases their past work. These fans literally want to go hear "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" at every concert for the rest of their lives and relive that half decade of the '80s/early '90s for the rest of their time.

Might as well write 'best before 1991' on their foreheads. 

I really dislike that pandering to this sort of 'living in the past' attitude has become big bucks now. It's about as exciting and dynamic as watching paint dry. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by allwaystired

[Sweersa 558]

11 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

I can't remember, the guy (Bird) who bought the locker said he Oklahoma with vocals among other things. Did we establish that as bullshit or not?

There was a bunch of talk about a hard drive too full of stuff, who knows. I wonder what other material existed back then with vocals. I'm sure most of it is BS, but hard to say. 

[bassplayer1993 83]

I just wanna hear "Machine Gun". All we got of "possible 94-96 GNR sound" info is the Jam in Matt's drum video. Curious what they had considered ready enough to record alternate takes of while Duff and Matt were still band members, and possibly have contributions from the tophatted guy too.

 

But most of all, I just wanna hear anything

[jamillos 1,895]

54 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

I just wanna hear "Machine Gun". All we got of "possible 94-96 GNR sound" info is the Jam in Matt's drum video. Curious what they had considered ready enough to record alternate takes of while Duff and Matt were still band members, and possibly have contributions from the tophatted guy too.

 

But most of all, I just wanna hear anything

Anything but:

All things considered 

Working very hard

At some point 

Everybody wants to do it 

Looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard 

Edited December 7, 2020 by jamillos

[allwaystired 2,665]

40 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Anything but:

All things considered 

Working very hard

At some point 

Everybody wants to do it 

Looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard 

And.....

1) It's So Easy 

2) Mr Brownstone 

3) Chinese Democracy 

4) Welcome To the Jungle 

.......etc etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ShadowOfTheWave 804]

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

There was a bunch of talk about a hard drive too full of stuff, who knows. I wonder what other material existed back then with vocals. I'm sure most of it is BS, but hard to say. 

As much as I love Hardschool/Perhaps/SOG I honestly wish later songs like Soul Monster/The General leaked instead. We already got a lot of 1999-2000 material on CD, but only a handful of 2002-2007 tracks, which seemed to be heavier and more Bucket oriented.

[Twinaleblood 215]

4 hours ago, bassplayer1993 said:

All we got of "possible 94-96 GNR sound" info is the Jam in Matt's drum video.

Please, more info about this? First time I see it mentioned. I assume Matt Sorum released a drum video in the mid 90's and includes bits of GNR instrumental jam? Or what?

[fantomas 179]

4 hours ago, jamillos said:

Anything but:

All things considered 

Working very hard

At some point 

Everybody wants to do it 

Looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard 

You forgot "we had a four hour meeting". Can't forget that one.

[MaskingApathy 2,339]

54 minutes ago, Twinaleblood said:

Please, more info about this? First time I see it mentioned. I assume Matt Sorum released a drum video in the mid 90's and includes bits of GNR instrumental jam? Or what?

It's an instructional DVD and there's a clip of him jamming with Slash and Duff.

[Sweersa 558]

3 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

As much as I love Hardschool/Perhaps/SOG I honestly wish later songs like Soul Monster/The General leaked instead. We already got a lot of 1999-2000 material on CD, but only a handful of 2002-2007 tracks, which seemed to be heavier and more Bucket oriented.

If given the choice, I'd definitely prefer the heavy Bucket era stuff too. At this point, as it has been since 2007 (or so) more leaks are pretty much a matter of when, and not if. 

I hope they finished Zodiac and Quick Song. I assume they did.

[dally 135]

5 hours ago, jamillos said:

Anything but:

All things considered 

Working very hard

At some point 

Everybody wants to do it 

Looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard 

That’s a good tracklist there

[bassplayer1993 83]

52 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

It's an instructional DVD and there's a clip of him jamming with Slash and Duff.

Recorded while Duff was still in the band and possibly Matt, though the very last days of his time in the band. Sounds like a very, very early "Set me free" a bit.

5 hours ago, jamillos said:

Anything but:

All things considered 

Working very hard

At some point 

Everybody wants to do it 

Looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard 

I'll take that, I'll take anything

[Dean 2,287]

9 hours ago, Sweersa said:

There was a bunch of talk about a hard drive too full of stuff, who knows. I wonder what other material existed back then with vocals. I'm sure most of it is BS, but hard to say. 

This Bird chap said on his podcast about the whole ordeal was that Rick had shortchanged him and on good faith, allowed him to pay the rest at a later date. When he realized this wasn’t going to happen, he said he offered the hard drive, which according to his words never existed, as bait in the hope to get the full amount which was agreed, but never happened...that we know 🧐🤭

[Draguns 665]

4 hours ago, Twinaleblood said:

Please, more info about this? First time I see it mentioned. I assume Matt Sorum released a drum video in the mid 90's and includes bits of GNR instrumental jam? Or what?

There was an interview that Matt had done during the 94-96 time period. I didn't watch the video, but read an article at the time. He said that there were 7 songs completed and 7 songs that they were still working on. 

For me, I still think that Hard School came about during  this time period. The sound is just classic GNR. Additionally, Duff did mention of a song called Jackie Chan in 97. We now know that Jackie Chan is Hard School. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Draguns
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[metallex78 410]

From about the 1 minute 30 mark the song starts. Badass riff and soloing from Slash. Duff and Matt sound great too.