Sledge Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 10:26 PM, metallex78 said: It’s from 1996 or 97, Matt Sorum released an instructional drumming home video, and this was his example of how bands work on songs together. Ah cheers! At first I thought VR but Matt's hair is so mid to late 90s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DTV88 Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 12:48 PM, fantomas said: Even though Taylor Swift has been able to release two albums this year, Axl can still blame COVID. Swift has used the only available recording studio open in the entire world, so it's literally impossible for Axl to record a new album, because there are no studios left. Stupid COVID ruining Ax;'s plans. Chinese Democracy 2 starts... sometime after the vaccine. My oldest is a big time Swifty. The look on her face when she saw the tweet announcing a second album this year was priceless. She was so overjoyed to have something new to enjoy while we’ve been basically stuck at home for most of the year. @Dexter, imagine how happy and thankful your fans would be if you released just one new song! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dean Posted December 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Artists nowadays and from centuries ago - absolutely no respect for this global pandemic. Edited December 13, 2020 by Dean 1 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Dean said: Artists nowadays and from centuries ago - absolutely no respect for this global pandemic. Yes, same Chris Cornell, now he release his cover album( Patience cover too). I never imagined as disrepectful would be Chris Cornell..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I just Heard the leaks for the very first time and i loved Hardschool Big time . I really don't know why Axl didn't include it on Chinese. Is way better than most of the songs of it. I Guess it's an obvious choice if sometime they release a new one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 22 hours ago, agustingloger said: I just Heard the leaks for the very first time and i loved Hardschool Big time . I really don't know why Axl didn't include it on Chinese. Is way better than most of the songs of it. I Guess it's an obvious choice if sometime they release a new one Yeah, they sound-tested "Hard School" prior to their very last shows this year in Mexico (Axl too). Someone leaked a snippet of it. It actually seems like they were thinking about eventually, maybe, potentially, including it in the actual live set. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 5:07 PM, agustingloger said: I just Heard the leaks for the very first time and i loved Hardschool Big time . I really don't know why Axl didn't include it on Chinese. Is way better than most of the songs of it. I Guess it's an obvious choice if sometime they release a new one My own theory is that Hard School came from the 94-96 session. The song structure is classic GNR. I don't think Nu-GNR worked on it. Also Hard School was once known as Jackie Chan. In a 1997 interview, Duff alluded to the Jackie Chan song when he was still in GNR at the time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff_66 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Draguns said: My own theory is that Hard School came from the 94-96 session. The song structure is classic GNR. I don't think Nu-GNR worked on it. Also Hard School was once known as Jackie Chan. In a 1997 interview, Duff alluded to the Jackie Chan song when he was still in GNR at the time. I tried to figure out what Jackie Chan movie was it for. Seems to be Mr. Nice Guy, the one where he fights one of my favorite Martial Artists- Richard Norton Anyway, I do agree that Duff was talking about Hard School (in a Howard Stern interview) , it only makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Draguns said: My own theory is that Hard School came from the 94-96 session. The song structure is classic GNR. I don't think Nu-GNR worked on it. Also Hard School was once known as Jackie Chan. In a 1997 interview, Duff alluded to the Jackie Chan song when he was still in GNR at the time. Makes sense. Totally rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said: I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... Not reaching at all. Listen to the tempo and how the song is structured. It's similar to You Could Be Mine and Don't Damn Me. I seriously doubt it came from the Nu-GNR. Again, Duff did mention this song. It's probably one of the songs they were working on in 94-96. For me, I really like this song! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... The intro is a bit too long (common CD-era problem) and the song gets kinda lost in the middle, but the bulk of the song isn't too far from the classic GNR style. It's not AFD, but it's not a drastic departure from UYI either. If they'd cut it down to a 2,5-3 min rocker, it would've suited the UYI lineup. The only others that really seem like they could've worked with that lineup are The Blues and Perhaps, IMO. (Did you listen to the other leaks or just Hardschool?) I said it another thread but I'll say it again here... I think no matter when a UYI follow-up was released, Axl would've adopted the clean voice. Dead Flowers on Gilby's album and Anxious Disease in '96 already had that cleaner vocal style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallex78 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... I feel pretty much this way too. It’s mediocre. Nothing classic GN’R about it at all. A weak CD era sounding rocker. That said, what Slash and Duff added to it in the soundcheck clip, certainly made it sound closer to classic GN’R. I really wish we had the whole song from soundcheck from hearing that tease. Edited December 17, 2020 by metallex78 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, metallex78 said: I feel pretty much this way too. It’s mediocre. Nothing classic GN’R about it at all. A weak CD era sounding rocker. That said, what Slash and Duff added to it in the soundcheck clip, certainly made it sound closer to classic GN’R. I really wish we had the whole song from soundcheck from hearing that tease. Hopefully it gets played as part of their 2021 tour, and as part of their Oz shows. 9 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: The intro is a bit too long (common CD-era problem) and the song gets kinda lost in the middle, but the bulk of the song isn't too far from the classic GNR style. It's not AFD, but it's not a drastic departure from UYI either. If they'd cut it down to a 2,5-3 min rocker, it would've suited the UYI lineup. The only others that really seem like they could've worked with that lineup are The Blues and Perhaps, IMO. (Did you listen to the other leaks or just Hardschool?) I said it another thread but I'll say it again here... I think no matter when a UYI follow-up was released, Axl would've adopted the clean voice. Dead Flowers on Gilby's album and Anxious Disease in '96 already had that cleaner vocal style. I still hear the illusions lineup when i hear TWAT , SOD, and catcher that were leaked. Edited December 17, 2020 by Sydney Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMachine Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... I entirely disagree with this. Listened to it for the first time in a while the other day and it genuinely got me excited again. I think it would make a great calling card for the band's return. Has balls and energy and actually feels like it has a bit of Guns 'n' Roses lineage, unlike a lot of the Chinese era. It also offers a bit of a breath of fresh air compared to everything thats about right now. Edited December 17, 2020 by SilverMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I think it's a good song, UYI level to me. The leaked version is definately not ready to go though, sounds like a demo to me. Haven't heard the soundcheck bits. I hope they rearrange it a bit and Axl's doing new vocals. The verses sound a bit weak and whiny, if they use that for the official release it would be very disappointing, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 15 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I finally gave in and just listened to Hard School.. Sounds just as bad or mediocre as all the other Chinese Democracy songs.. Starting with Axl's voice... The rest of it doesn't sound anything like classic Guns N' Roses.. People are reaching... No way you can say Chinese Democracy, Better and many others aren't more solid songs than Hardschool from 1999. That's just bullshit. There's I don't like the style yada, yada and then there's I'm just not listening. The majority of CD's songs had far more structure than Hardschool, it just jumps all over the place, and there's barely a decent riff within it. If that was on CD it would be in the top 3 worst songs on the album beside Rhiad and Scraped. The leak of Hardschool is not a "traditionally" good song though, we can agree on that. Not a huge fan of Axls vocals on it either, I like Axl on the Chorus though! Solo is dog shit, breakdown section is completely unnecessary, and the vocal melody during the verse is very bland. 3/10 being generous, and that's all for the chorus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I actually think the Hardschool we got with the Village leaks with a proper mix and mastering would be perfect on the album. Same with Perhaps ,and Atlas from RM1. After hearing the 2008 CD again recently, I really do feel the album would have been much better in it's 1999-2001 form, properly mixed and mastered of course. Then have a follow-up in 2003-2004 with the sweet Buckethead stuff, then in 2006-2010 get the third album with Bumblefoot and DJ. I'm dreaming now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hardschool just screams 'unfinished' to me. The way it repeats in sections feels like it was meant to have a lot more to do it. It's like a minute, then repeated, which doesn't really fit in with other GNR songs. I really think there was a lot more work to be done on it. Should it ever actually be officially released, I would expect other 'parts' to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Hardschool just screams 'unfinished' to me. The way it repeats in sections feels like it was meant to have a lot more to do it. It's like a minute, then repeated, which doesn't really fit in with other GNR songs. I really think there was a lot more work to be done on it. Should it ever actually be officially released, I would expect other 'parts' to it. I enjoyed the long intro and solo, I can't imagine adding anything to it, except for maybe rearranging or replacing some of the lyrics, but small changes like we got in Better, The Blues, etc. Not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but the "repeats" is on par for a chorus of any song, no? Though the partial chorus at the very end may be a tad out of place. I like that bit actually, as it establishes a false end prior to it. I always thought If The World ended prematurely, with the awesome heavy riff towards the end, I expected it to morph into something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sweersa said: I enjoyed the long intro and solo, I can't imagine adding anything to it, except for maybe rearranging or replacing some of the lyrics, but small changes like we got in Better, The Blues, etc. Not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but the "repeats" is on par for a chorus of any song, no? Though the partial chorus at the very end may be a tad out of place. I like that bit actually, as it establishes a false end prior to it. I always thought If The World ended prematurely, with the awesome heavy riff towards the end, I expected it to morph into something else. I know what you mean.....it just feels a bit 'looped' to me rather than 'chorus being repeated'. Tough to explain, but I've just always felt it wasn't finished; like there was something extra it didn't have. Having said that, I do really like it of course- I liked all the leaks massively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fowlerisgod Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I have every confidence Hard School will be an absolute banger once Slash and Duff get their hands on it...even listening to the soundtrack snippet you can see the work gone into the intro...sounded much better... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 14 hours ago, metallex78 said: That said, what Slash and Duff added to it in the soundcheck clip, certainly made it sound closer to classic GN’R. Anything they added to it there was negated by Axl's voice lol 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: Anything they added to it there was negated by Axl's voice lol My guess is for an eventual studio release of that track, Axl's vocals will be the same or very close to what we hear on the village version from 2000. As for the live rehearsal, yeah, that was rough. It would have been nice to hear the full song rehearsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axljungle Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 3:04 PM, El Guapo said: I think it's a good song, UYI level to me. The leaked version is definately not ready to go though, sounds like a demo to me. Haven't heard the soundcheck bits. I hope they rearrange it a bit and Axl's doing new vocals. The verses sound a bit weak and whiny, if they use that for the official release it would be very disappointing, imo. If you search it you can find it, is different than the leak, I love the leak intro, but the soundcheck intro is better, and the way Axl sings the song is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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