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2 hours ago, Rovim said:

great is subjective. I like Chinese so I'd be content with another album from Gn'R on that caliber.

my guess is Axl is not interested in just releasing a single tune or an ep. I think he wants to release at least a full album.

The intention to release new music is supported by what Slash has said recently as well and I don't think Axl, Slash, and Duff are lying about having a lot of unreleased material so a double album is not that far fetched imo. (according to Tommy Axl wanted Chinese to be more than 1 cd)

I understand your skepticism though. I just don't think Axl would let Gn'R end without at least attempting to expand the catalog.

I want new music more than anybody else and I'm not saying it won't be released at some point, but I think you have to be very optimistic to expect a record anytime soon, let alone a double record.

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14 minutes ago, DurhamGirl said:

Maybe they are silent because there is not anything too talk about?  I wonder why Duff's wife said she was listening to new music when it was apparently not the case?  All very confusing but Slash never sounds very confiident when asked about new music, I will be very surprised if there is any, maybe all this 'hinting' is just a ploy to keep folk on board.  Who knows.

The big money is in touring anyway , especially for legacy acts.   Any new release from them will only be to keep the die hards happy which we know they don’t care about anyway, so yeah, there’s nothing to talk about because there isn’t gonna be a mew album

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40 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

The big money is in touring anyway , especially for legacy acts.   Any new release from them will only be to keep the die hards happy which we know they don’t care about anyway, so yeah, there’s nothing to talk about because there isn’t gonna be a mew album

Everybody else from their era is doing that (regularly, more or less), so why shouldn't they. Even Tool released an album after 13 years. 

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9 hours ago, Rovim said:

I just assume that because Axl has only released 15 songs in 30 years and multiple sources in the band have said that there is a lot of unreleased material, that it should be relatively easy for Gn'R to release more than just 14 great tunes. (give or take)

a lot of fans around here seem to think Axl got something like 2.5 albums. They can't release a double album with 30 tracks after all these years? even if some tunes are great and some are just very good, I'd rather hear all the worthy shit as soon as possible cause my guess is there is enough material that I'd like for a double release.

"Some fans think". Let's go with what we know, the village leaks were a mixed bag, I have no doubt that there's great stuff in the vault but I'm positive there's more god awful macdaddys and Silkworms. I don't see them releasing a double album even if Axl does have material for 2 records! Seems like an unnecessary risk. 

If one side is good and the other is a bit meh, the consensus won't be "yeah but we got 12 great songs" it'll be "half the album is shit, shouldn't have bothered". These are the discussions on UYI 30yrs later afterall, not saying I don't love UYI!

 

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2 hours ago, DurhamGirl said:

Maybe they are silent because there is not anything too talk about?  I wonder why Duff's wife said she was listening to new music when it was apparently not the case?  All very confusing but Slash never sounds very confiident when asked about new music, I will be very surprised if there is any, maybe all this 'hinting' is just a ploy to keep folk on board.  Who knows.

Duff's wife said they were working 'fastidiously' on new music - 'fastidiously' meaning 'Showing or acting with careful attention to detail'

It appears to me that the band is taking it slow and steady, with natural and physical interactions (Slash has previously said they record when they are in the same city, and we know he has visited Axl's house at least once to record material).

This sounds like a more hands on team approach than the stitched together Chinese Democracy days. It just sucks they don't communicate with fans too well.

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55 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Duff's wife said they were working 'fastidiously' on new music - 'fastidiously' meaning 'Showing or acting with careful attention to detail'

It appears to me that the band is taking it slow and steady, with natural and physical interactions (Slash has previously said they record when they are in the same city, and we know he has visited Axl's house at least once to record material).

This sounds like a more hands on team approach than the stitched together Chinese Democracy days. It just sucks they don't communicate with fans too well.

"The band is taking it slow and steady" must by the GNR understatement of the year! 

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Look, three years passed between Lies and UYI. This time, the period when they started to actually have some time for composing/recording has been running since the beginning of 2018, altogether let's say some 2.5 years so far (they continued touring since summer 18). Therefore, we still have some half a year! :D

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4 hours ago, DurhamGirl said:

Maybe they are silent because there is not anything too talk about?  I wonder why Duff's wife said she was listening to new music when it was apparently not the case?  All very confusing but Slash never sounds very confiident when asked about new music, I will be very surprised if there is any, maybe all this 'hinting' is just a ploy to keep folk on board.  Who knows.

How do we know this wasn’t the case? Just because WE haven’t heard anything yet doesn’t mean she hasn’t. I can’t see much reason for her to say that knowing full well it opened her up to becoming a target.

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4 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

You can guarantee the label really want a strong comeback album, it could be as simple as that they don’t think the material is strong enough and told them to go write some more..

I’d hope they told the label to ‘get lost’ in such a scenario.....although I’d wager the label wouldn’t have many objections to what may be submitted for release.

Best example of the label ‘not helping’ is bringing in Ezrin to review what had been done and believing his pish that ‘the material wasn’t there’....which was debunked by the Village leaks.

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You can already cross January off 2021 just like that. 11 more months to go and we will be discussing the same nothingness slated for 2022. Personally I do think they will have to mention something about an forthcoming album or else they come off as a bunch of lazy wankers. However 2021 won’t be the year for any new released music from this band. 

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3 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Best example of the label ‘not helping’ is bringing in Ezrin to review what had been done and believing his pish that ‘the material wasn’t there’....which was debunked by the Village leaks.

Exactly! Still wonder to this day who the fuck this guy thinks he is :-D 

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52 minutes ago, Nesret said:

Exactly! Still wonder to this day who the fuck this guy thinks he is :-D 

I mean - Ezrin has a great CV but mainly in straight forward rock (Alice Cooper, Deep Purple) and then Pink Floyd was obviously more progressive.

I just don’t get why they would get someone like that to oversee what CD was at that time....which was sonically and stylistically very different to what people were expecting. Neither wonder ‘he didn’t get it’.

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9 hours ago, Free Bird said:

I want new music more than anybody else and I'm not saying it won't be released at some point, but I think you have to be very optimistic to expect a record anytime soon, let alone a double record.

I don't think it's going to be soon at all. I just believe there's a good chance it will be released eventually. When it's completed, and Axl is satisfied with promotion budget and the band can support the new release with a tour.

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7 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

"Some fans think". Let's go with what we know, the village leaks were a mixed bag, I have no doubt that there's great stuff in the vault but I'm positive there's more god awful macdaddys and Silkworms. I don't see them releasing a double album even if Axl does have material for 2 records! Seems like an unnecessary risk. 

If one side is good and the other is a bit meh, the consensus won't be "yeah but we got 12 great songs" it'll be "half the album is shit, shouldn't have bothered". These are the discussions on UYI 30yrs later afterall, not saying I don't love UYI!

 

ok but the village leaks do not reflect everything Axl has accumulated over the years. It doesn't even reflect the second half of Chinese cause it's just a work in progress with most of the tunes lacking a vocal track.

all I'm saying is that a lot of people in the band or people who have worked with Axl have said there is a shitload of great unreleased material. Let's say that's true for the sake of argument cause Axl had a lot of time to hoard good shit.

I would prefer it if Gn'R released more than just 1 killer album. Instead of just 14 killer tunes I would prefer it if they released 30 cause I'm pretty sure I would like most of the material. My enjoyment of Gn'R material is not limited to only enjoying the absolute best shit and Axl hasn't released enough material for me to want less shit to listen to.

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1 minute ago, Rovim said:

ok but the village leaks do not reflect everything Axl has accumulated over the years. It doesn't even reflect the second half of Chinese cause it's just a work in progress with most of the tunes lacking a vocal track.

all I'm saying is that a lot of people in the band or people who have worked with Axl have said there is a shitload of great unreleased material. Let's say that's true for the sake of argument cause Axl had a lot of time to hoard good shit.

I would prefer it if Gn'R released more than just 1 killer album. Instead of just 14 killer tunes I would prefer it if they released 30 cause I'm pretty sure I would like most of the material. My enjoyment of Gn'R material is not limited to only enjoying the absolute best shit and Axl hasn't released enough material for me to want less shit to listen to.

Well if we're going to go along with the notion that be has tons of legitimately great material, then of course it should be released... but then we get back to the why on earth if he had that kind of material is he sitting on it? 

I'd love two albums of great material, we all would! But realistically the odds of them pulling off a double record? It's not I'm their favour.

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41 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Well if we're going to go along with the notion that be has tons of legitimately great material, then of course it should be released... but then we get back to the why on earth if he had that kind of material is he sitting on it? 

I'd love two albums of great material, we all would! But realistically the odds of them pulling off a double record? It's not I'm their favour.

why would he sit on great material? I don't know, I can only speculate but maybe it's about a desire to release more than just a collection of great songs. a great album and I think a great Gn'R album for Axl is conditioned in the album achieving certain musical goals.

Like some type of progression from the previous release, not disposable but a musical statement that will stand the test of time, would add to the legacy, not detract from it and that is a difficult goal to achieve. Especially with how Axl chooses to approach it as a musician and he can't do it alone, he's not one of those geniuses that don't need anyone else. he needs others to help him get there.

so maybe he finds it hard to let go cause once he releases it, the process is over and the ability to potentially improve it is lost. I believe he really is a perfectionist. This shit happened with Tool as well. I think there are some similarities there.

a double album is possible just cause maybe most of the work has been completed already. Shit like musical direction, having enough material, and production are maybe not obstacles anymore.

 

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38 minutes ago, Rovim said:

why would he sit on great material? I don't know, I can only speculate but maybe it's about a desire to release more than just a collection of great songs. a great album and I think a great Gn'R album for Axl is conditioned in the album achieving certain musical goals.

Like some type of progression from the previous release, not disposable but a musical statement that will stand the test of time, would add to the legacy, not detract from it and that is a difficult goal to achieve. Especially with how Axl chooses to approach it as a musician and he can't do it alone, he's not one of those geniuses that don't need anyone else. he needs others to help him get there.

so maybe he finds it hard to let go cause once he releases it, the process is over and the ability to potentially improve it is lost. I believe he really is a perfectionist. This shit happened with Tool as well. I think there are some similarities there.

a double album is possible just cause maybe most of the work has been completed already. Shit like musical direction, having enough material, and production are maybe not obstacles anymore.

 

Tool eventually release the albums though, and they are mostly considered masterpieces 😄 

I know what you're saying, and there's definitely perfectionism going on with the delays. 

In terms of Gnr we should pretty soon whether or not it's a double or single album, grab a comfortable seat😄

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On 1/25/2021 at 8:51 PM, Tom2112 said:

Tool eventually release the albums though, and they are mostly considered masterpieces 😄 

I know what you're saying, and there's definitely perfectionism going on with the delays. 

In terms of Gnr we should pretty soon whether or not it's a double or single album, grab a comfortable seat😄

well you know... different bands, different bullshit, but I think the 2 main differences between Tool and Gn'R are maybe that Axl didn't have Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven for all those years. Maybe if he had just 1 classic member still in the band with him in the Chinese era, things might have been different but maybe not.

also Axl kinda took over Gn'R, it wasn't a democracy and he didn't seem to trust the others musically. The band also didn't have a shared goal like Tool had. Izzy checked out early and he was an important songwriter for Gn'R. it seems Slash wanted it to be like an AC/DC type of a deal, where Axl wanted it to be more like Queen.

maybe now some things are different in Gn'R: band members have accepted their role in the band, made compromises and Slash and Duff have come to terms with Axl's shortcomings.

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On 1/24/2021 at 2:23 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

He still sounds like himself on The Seeker, Wichita Lineman, the verses on Slither, etc so hopefully any new stuff would utilize those more natural vocals.

And he sounds freaking great on The Seeker and WL!

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11 hours ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

Guns N' Roses need to make a record that Axl can sing live...

No, they need to make a record that will be fucking epic, and then choose songs that fit Axl for live rendition. They didn't play everything off UYI either, or just rarely. 

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