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25 minutes ago, Rovim said:

B grade musicians? the 2002 lineup was comprised of some of the best musicians in the world. I have no idea what you're talking about.

but sure, it's also a job and the money was good but I believe Tommy genuinely liked the idea of attempting to pull off something that was such a challenge. I think it appealed to his punk attitude.

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36 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I think Axl wanted Pitman mainly for his abilities in the studio. I'm sure most active members had access to things.

Had for sure. But given Pitman's grievances with the band around NITL and his subsequent legal issues, surely there's no way the guy still has access to unreleased recordings? 

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3 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Had for sure. But given Pitman's grievances with the band around NITL and his subsequent legal issues, surely there's no way the guy still has access to unreleased recordings? 

No doubt, I was more thinking of things he would have had left over from his years with the band. (CDs, mp3s on his computers, raw working files, anything he brought home, iPod, etc.) It's not like those all disappear when he leaves the band. Much like Tom Z had a bunch of CD era CDs. Hahaha ;)

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37 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

No doubt, I was more thinking of things he would have had left over from his years with the band. (CDs, mp3s on his computers, raw working files, anything he brought home, iPod, etc.) It's not like those all disappear when he leaves the band. Much like Tom Z had a bunch of CD era CDs. Hahaha ;)

Yeah that's a good point actually. It doesn't really seem to have been a water-tight operation when you've got people finding CDs they've had knocking around for ages and forgotten about! 

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11 hours ago, TheGeneral said:

Taylor Swift is re-recording all of her old albums.

Axl Rose can't even re-record a 35 year old song. (SOYL)

Oh, Axl. What could have been...

He did re-record AFD. You know, buried the old band and all that.

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3 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah there's no way any of them were B grade musicians. You can say what you like about them as an opinion but to call them not adequate as musicians simply isn't true. They were all exceptional. 

Just my opinion man, I’d bet most gnr fans had never heard of bumble foot, dj, Richard, Tommy, pitman before they joined and at that point (01-08) none of them had done anything noteworthy, buckethead is the exception IMO 

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56 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

Just my opinion man, I’d bet most gnr fans had never heard of bumble foot, dj, Richard, Tommy, pitman before they joined and at that point (01-08) none of them had done anything noteworthy, buckethead is the exception IMO 

I suppose it’s more the fact none were ‘major stars’ in their own right - but that’s different to their actual abilities as musicians. Fortus is probably the best example - mainly a session player with modest songwriting credits but technically a super-proficient musician.

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1 hour ago, megaguns1982 said:

Just my opinion man, I’d bet most gnr fans had never heard of bumble foot, dj, Richard, Tommy, pitman before they joined and at that point (01-08) none of them had done anything noteworthy, buckethead is the exception IMO 

Well an opinion could be that you don't like them. But to call them 'b grade musicians' simply isn't true. 

Whether people have heard of them or not has no bearing on how well they can play. Popularity has never been a barometer of talent or ability. 

I'm pretty sure many people would take exception to you dismissing The Replacements career as not 'noteworthy' too! Massively influential band. 

 

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2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Well an opinion could be that you don't like them. But to call them 'b grade musicians' simply isn't true. 

Whether people have heard of them or not has no bearing on how well they can play. Popularity has never been a barometer of talent or ability. 

I'm pretty sure many people would take exception to you dismissing The Replacements career as not 'noteworthy' too! Massively influential band. 

 

My opinion is that they were b grade musicians, deal with it

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3 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

Just my opinion man, I’d bet most gnr fans had never heard of bumble foot, dj, Richard, Tommy, pitman before they joined and at that point (01-08) none of them had done anything noteworthy, buckethead is the exception IMO 

I would say that most Guns N' Roses fans have still never heard of them.. Aside from maybe Buckethead...

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For band decisions his surrounded himself with second rate managers and people that can do nothing but negatively impact the band itself. People that have no clue about running a world class band professionally and are only hired because they are friends or adopted family members and not because of any skill or experience.

That and him hijjacking the band in different ways over the last 35 years. From verbal outbursts, taking crowds hostage waiting hours for a concert, no shows, long term animosity towards bandmates and fans, insighting riots, inactivity on recording and releasing music, purposely not promoting material, no interviews, showing up out of shape, putting poor effort in concerts while on autopilot, the mickey effect..... the list goes on. Looking at all that now. I dont think Axl has a clue whats best for the gnr band really.

16 hours ago, Rovim said:

maybe Axl chose to surround himself with people he trusts. He tried the other way of hiring pros and that didn't go very well and like you say, what good can come out of people that can potentially give him great advice if he prefers to decide what to do himself?

I think he likes to make the big decisions based on what he feels is right for Gn'R and also let people inside the Gn'R circle make the smaller decisions so he can be free from hearing about every single little detail.

 

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7 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

Just my opinion man, I’d bet most gnr fans had never heard of bumble foot, dj, Richard, Tommy, pitman before they joined and at that point (01-08) none of them had done anything noteworthy, buckethead is the exception IMO 

And most casual fans still wouldnt know who they are now.

Most of them left the band and done nothing too big afterwards. Even Robin is nothing but a touring musician for nin.

 

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22 minutes ago, vloors said:

Even Robin is nothing but a touring musician for nin.

Robin made the nin shows exciting and he is a big part of the experience that Trent tries to present. You can still be an important part of the puzzle even if your contribution is only for live shows mostly.

it's a shame he doesn't release his own music cause he is clearly a talented composer with a very unique style.

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27 minutes ago, vloors said:

For band decisions his surrounded himself with second rate managers and people that can do nothing but negatively impact the band itself. People that have no clue about running a world class band professionally and are only hired because they are friends or adopted family members and not because of any skill or experience.

That and him hijjacking the band in different ways over the last 35 years. From verbal outbursts, taking crowds hostage waiting hours for a concert, no shows, long term animosity towards bandmates and fans, insighting riots, inactivity on recording and releasing music, purposely not promoting material, no interviews, showing up out of shape, putting poor effort in concerts while on autopilot, the mickey effect..... the list goes on. Looking at all that now. I dont think Axl has a clue whats best for the gnr band really.

 

I'm not a fan of TB, but I think the advantage is that at least Axl knows they won't betray him and loyalty seems to be really important for him.

I didn't mean that I approve of every decision Axl ever made, just that he likes to call all the shots when it comes to important Gn'R matters. Some of his shenanigans did help make it more exciting imo though.

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On 2/12/2021 at 12:07 AM, fowlerisgod said:

Id love to meet Axl...sit him down and ask him how he feels about completely pissing away his talent..the logic behind releasing one album in 30 years...why he is sitting on completed songs for 20 years and not releasing them..what he does on a day to day basis..is he not embarrassed when he sees his peers releasing album after album..building up a legacy...why the fuck can he not stay in shape...the dude is hitting 60...the end is approaching..what the fuck is he waiting for?

I guarantee he wishes he had 10 albums out. I also guarantee he'd rather having 1 album out than 10 mediocre ones. 

As for the rest of your questions, fair enough and I'd love to hear the responses. I don't think many of us here would have the cajones to ask about his weight though, or phrasing a question like "why have you wasted your career" 🤣

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2 hours ago, Rovim said:

Robin made the nin shows exciting and he is a big part of the experience that Trent tries to present. You can still be an important part of the puzzle even if your contribution is only for live shows mostly.

it's a shame he doesn't release his own music cause he is clearly a talented composer with a very unique style.

Robin was great and its another shame of the lost potential he had.

 

 

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7 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

My opinion is that they were b grade musicians, deal with it

It's obviously ludicrous to say the likes of Buckethead, Bumblefoot and Richard Fortus aren't good guitar players, and does make you seem a bit ridiculous to claim that as well as, sadly, really rather ignorant.

A bit sad to say musicians aren't good players if they aren't household names really. So much of my music collection is made up of insanely talented people who barely go noticed. 

Your loss though. I hear Justin Bieber is rather popular. 

 

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3 hours ago, Rovim said:

Robin made the nin shows exciting and he is a big part of the experience that Trent tries to present. You can still be an important part of the puzzle even if your contribution is only for live shows mostly.

it's a shame he doesn't release his own music cause he is clearly a talented composer with a very unique style.

There's probably a distinction to be made though between being an exceptional player, as he clearly is, and being a great songwriter? Perhaps that's the reason. Has he done nothing on his own? No soundtracks or anything? 

NIN shows are incredible. You don't see many bands put the time, dedication and energy into a live show that they do. 

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16 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

There's probably a distinction to be made though between being an exceptional player, as he clearly is, and being a great songwriter? Perhaps that's the reason. Has he done nothing on his own? No soundtracks or anything? 

NIN shows are incredible. You don't see many bands put the time, dedication and energy into a live show that they do. 

Robin did some work on the Ghost Of Mars soundtrack (played on Love Siege, Fight Train, Power Station, and Ghost Poppin') he also played on Cee Lo Green's record "The Lady Killer" on "The Lady Killer Theme outro". Did some work on Gary Numan's record "Splinter" and worked on videogame soundtracks. Played on NIN'S "The Slip" as well.

but you know, I don't consider him to be a great player technically speaking. He is sloppy, especially his lead playing. But where he shines is the emotion he puts in every note and his imagination imo.

He said he was working on a solo album. That was almost 7 years ago. Worse than Axl. They are soulmates. No one doesn't release music like Axl n' Robin.

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12 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Robin did some work on the Ghost Of Mars soundtrack (played on Love Siege, Fight Train, Power Station, and Ghost Poppin') he also played on Cee Lo Green's record "The Lady Killer" on "The Lady Killer Theme outro". Did some work on Gary Numan's record "Splinter" and worked on videogame soundtracks. Played on NIN'S "The Slip" as well.

but you know, I don't consider him to be a great player technically speaking. He is sloppy, especially his lead playing. But where he shines is the emotion he puts in every note and his imagination imo.

He said he was working on a solo album. That was almost 7 years ago. Worse than Axl. They are soulmates. No one doesn't release music like Axl n' Robin.

What's that notorious clip of him playing with GNR? The one where he's spinning around all over the place? He takes the solo all over the place...as you say, it brings out something unique in the song. 

I can't for the life of me remember what the clip is though! 

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21 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Robin did some work on the Ghost Of Mars soundtrack (played on Love Siege, Fight Train, Power Station, and Ghost Poppin') he also played on Cee Lo Green's record "The Lady Killer" on "The Lady Killer Theme outro". Did some work on Gary Numan's record "Splinter" and worked on videogame soundtracks. Played on NIN'S "The Slip" as well.

but you know, I don't consider him to be a great player technically speaking. He is sloppy, especially his lead playing. But where he shines is the emotion he puts in every note and his imagination imo.

He said he was working on a solo album. That was almost 7 years ago. Worse than Axl. They are soulmates. No one doesn't release music like Axl n' Robin.

Fight Train is great, the whole soundtrack is way cool. Still haven't seen the movie though :D

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

What's that notorious clip of him playing with GNR? The one where he's spinning around all over the place? He takes the solo all over the place...as you say, it brings out something unique in the song. 

I can't for the life of me remember what the clip is though! 

not sure which one you are talking about specifically but yeah he was wild. I loved this thing he did with his legs where he was kicking at all directions while playing and of course when he wore a helmet and pink boots and fell, rolled a lil' bit, got up and kept playing.

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10 minutes ago, Rovim said:

not sure which one you are talking about specifically but yeah he was wild. I loved this thing he did with his legs where he was kicking at all directions while playing and of course when he wore a helmet and pink boots and fell, rolled a lil' bit, got up and kept playing.

I think that's the one! Great stuff! 

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