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3 hours ago, Ratam said:

This, you can't to improve some that is unsurpassable.

You say that. However, I counter... the addition of Chris Pitman sub-bass performance would improve Appetite immeasurably! :P

Listened to Appetite in its entirety for the first time in years yesterday morning whilst out walking. And ya gotta say... it is fucking brilliant like! Gotta be the best debut of all time.

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10 hours ago, Walapino said:

LOL you guys are insane talking about releasing AFD with the nu guns line up WTF?? 

Why not? 

No one is under any obligation to buy it or even listen to it. It could be ignored by those that know they wouldn't like it before hearing it. Seeing as it is (apparently) recorded, making it available for those that wanted to hear it would seem a good idea to me. 

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29 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Why not? 

No one is under any obligation to buy it or even listen to it. It could be ignored by those that know they wouldn't like it before hearing it. Seeing as it is (apparently) recorded, making it available for those that wanted to hear it would seem a good idea to me. 

There's a reason why bands and artists don't re-record classic albums. Appetite rightfully has a legendary status. Why tarnish the legacy? Also, the new recording techniques that were applied in 1999 were dated within a few years. Was he gonna re-record the piece every few years just to keep up with the times? Has he released it 1999 as a standalone album, he would've been rightfully absolutely slated. And ridiculed even further. 

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3 hours ago, 19AT5 said:

There's a reason why bands and artists don't re-record classic albums. Appetite rightfully has a legendary status. Why tarnish the legacy? Also, the new recording techniques that were applied in 1999 were dated within a few years. Was he gonna re-record the piece every few years just to keep up with the times? Has he released it 1999 as a standalone album, he would've been rightfully absolutely slated. And ridiculed even further. 

Letting some curious fans hear something like that would have zero bearing on how people regard AFD. 

It's recorded, done, and sticking it in as a bonus as some part of a boxset wouldn't impact on anything. People could ignore it, or refuse to listen to it if they feel so strongly about it's existence that even listening to it would cause them to dislike AFD! 

There's clearly people who would love to hear it (myself included) and the preference of letting it rot on a storage room floor alongside all the other interesting things we know exist, is one of the reasons GNR are currently boring the arse off everyone! 

I think saying it would be "rightfully slated" suggests you don't want to hear it, and have made up your mind on how it would sound. That's fine, but there are many fans who feel differently and are very interested to hear it, as they are much of the CD era material. 

 

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13 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Letting some curious fans hear something like that would have zero bearing on how people regard AFD. 

It's recorded, done, and sticking it in as a bonus as some part of a boxset wouldn't impact on anything. People could ignore it, or refuse to listen to it if they feel so strongly about it's existence that even listening to it would cause them to dislike AFD! 

There's clearly people who would love to hear it (myself included) and the preference of letting it rot on a storage room floor alongside all the other interesting things we know exist, is one of the reasons GNR are currently boring the arse off everyone! 

I think saying it would be "rightfully slated" suggests you don't want to hear it, and have made up your mind on how it would sound. That's fine, but there are many fans who feel differently and are very interested to hear it, as they are much of the CD era material. 

 

Can you name me another example whereupon a successful band has re-recorded an entire classic album with completely new members and it has been viewed a success!? Ozzy got slated for re-recording the bass and drum parts on his first two albums. This would have been viewed as sacrilege releasing after it was recorded. 

I think it would be fair to say that other than a few hardcore GNR fans on forums such as this, not many would have any interest in listening to a re-recording of Appetite For Destruction. What does it add!? 

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35 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Can you name me another example whereupon a successful band has re-recorded an entire classic album with completely new members and it has been viewed a success!? Ozzy got slated for re-recording the bass and drum parts on his first two albums. This would have been viewed as sacrilege releasing after it was recorded. 

I think it would be fair to say that other than a few hardcore GNR fans on forums such as this, not many would have any interest in listening to a re-recording of Appetite For Destruction. What does it add!? 

Flip that around.....what does it take away? If people want to hear it, and it's recorded, why not get it out there? 

Bands release demos, early versions, different mixes, outtakes as bonus material all the time. These are also if very limited interest to anyone but hardcore fans.....but they have them, so why not get them out there? It's up to the listener whether they ignore them or not. Why not give them the option? 

Cat Stevens just re-recorded Tea For The Tillerman for instance. Iron Maiden re-recorded many of their albums. Taylor Swift is even doing hers (albeit for legal reasons). I'm sure there others- those are just a couple off the top of my head. It happens. Fans can choose to have then or not. 

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5 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Flip that around.....what does it take away? If people want to hear it, and it's recorded, why not get it out there? 

Bands release demos, early versions, different mixes, outtakes as bonus material all the time. These are also if very limited interest to anyone but hardcore fans.....but they have them, so why not get them out there? It's up to the listener whether they ignore them or not. Why not give them the option? 

Cat Stevens just re-recorded Tea For The Tillerman for instance. Iron Maiden re-recorded many of their albums. Taylor Swift is even doing hers (albeit for legal reasons). I'm sure there others- those are just a couple off the top of my head. It happens. Fans can choose to have then or not. 

I don't believe Iron Maiden re-recorded any of their albums...

Back to the AFD re-record... releasing a stand alone re-record of a classic album featuring only one member of the original band would not have been received well by the press or general fans at all. Only in lunatic asylums like a GNR forum would there be any appetite for such a product.

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If it were ever gonna be released, I'd think it would be in a CD box set. And even then, it's just a curiosity thing for a few hardcore fans. It would be cool to hear it once, just to know what it sounded like and to hear Axl's '99 vocals on some of those songs, but if you think they wouldn't get slammed for releasing it in any other context... You're fuckin' Crazy.

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19 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

If it were ever gonna be released, I'd think it would be in a CD box set. And even then, it's just a curiosity thing for a few hardcore fans. It would be cool to hear it once, just to know what it sounded like and to hear Axl's '99 vocals on some of those songs, but if you think they wouldn't get slammed for releasing it in any other context... You're fuckin' Crazy.

I would love to hear how Axl could've presented the idea of including it in the locked and loaded boxset:

Slash: Anybody got any ideas for additional material? 

Axl: Yeah I do actually. I actually have another version of Appetite that you guys won't have heard!

Duff: Oh like rehearsal tapes from back in the day when we were jamming on the songs we wrote together?

Axl: Not quite.

Slash: Oh you mean ultra rare live recordings that the fans will love?

Axl: No, not that either.

Duff: What then?

Axl: Well remember when we all fell out and I was really angry at you? 

Slash: Uh huh.

Axl: Well I kinda re-recorded the album with a bunch of new guys. And I think it would be a great way to honour the original album by including this new version in this boxset.

Slash: But those dudes had nothing to do with the original album? 

Axl: As I said, a great way to honour the original album. You can hear your iconic guitar solos almost played note for note Slash, but with a few nuanced differences. And some different effects which you don't use but sounded great in 1999 so will presumably still sound awesome now. But better yet guys, this version now has keyboards! And if there's anything we know about our fans... they always want more keyboards!

 

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7 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

I would love to hear how Axl could've presented the idea of including it in the locked and loaded boxset:

Slash: Anybody got any ideas for additional material? 

Axl: Yeah I do actually. I actually have another version of Appetite that you guys won't have heard!

Duff: Oh like rehearsal tapes from back in the day when we were jamming on the songs we wrote together?

Axl: Not quite.

Slash: Oh you mean ultra rare live recordings that the fans will love?

Axl: No, not that either.

Duff: What then?

Axl: Well remember when we all fell out and I was really angry at you? 

Slash: Uh huh.

Axl: Well I kinda re-recorded the album with a bunch of new guys. And I think it would be a great way to honour the original album by including this new version in this boxset.

Slash: But those dudes had nothing to do with the original album? 

Axl: As I said, a great way to honour the original album. You can hear your iconic guitar solos almost played note for note Slash, but with a few nuanced differences. And some different effects which you don't use but sounded great in 1999 so will presumably still sound awesome now. But better yet guys, this version now has keyboards! And if there's anything we know about our fans... they always want more keyboards!

 

You know, we do get it- you don't like the CD era and the keyboards/synths etc......but you really don't need to keep stressing it with these sort of posts. 

Maybe time to let it go? 

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40 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

If it were ever gonna be released, I'd think it would be in a CD box set. And even then, it's just a curiosity thing for a few hardcore fans. It would be cool to hear it once, just to know what it sounded like and to hear Axl's '99 vocals on some of those songs, but if you think they wouldn't get slammed for releasing it in any other context... You're fuckin' Crazy.

It would definitely fit in there more than the AFD box, as was suggested earlier. 

At this stage a CD boxset would be a great idea- and I think would be costly well received as an 'archive' piece. 

I can't see it happening though due to the crossover between this material and the 'new material' that is inevitable. The reaction to the leaks suggest this would be th case. 

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1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

You know, we do get it- you don't like the CD era and the keyboards/synths etc......but you really don't need to keep stressing it with these sort of posts. You're pretty constant with these sorts of 'amusing' posts. 

I don't mind keyboards/piano in GNR. They have there places for sure. I think Estranged is up there with some of the best work in the GNR catalogue. I also think there are a few really good tracks on Chinese Democracy, and a lot of less good tracks, but that the whole thing is an over produced mess. What annoys me though is a band I used to love, that had a true rock n roll spirit, pretty much bombed around the turn of the century and became a bit of a joke. I really wanted Axl to succeed as I really loved the multiple personalities in his voice. Oh, and as I got older I began to appreciate his lyrics more too.

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4 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

I would love to hear how Axl could've presented the idea of including it in the locked and loaded boxset:

Slash: Anybody got any ideas for additional material? 

Axl: Yeah I do actually. I actually have another version of Appetite that you guys won't have heard!

Duff: Oh like rehearsal tapes from back in the day when we were jamming on the songs we wrote together?

Axl: Not quite.

Slash: Oh you mean ultra rare live recordings that the fans will love?

Axl: No, not that either.

Duff: What then?

Axl: Well remember when we all fell out and I was really angry at you? 

Slash: Uh huh.

Axl: Well I kinda re-recorded the album with a bunch of new guys. And I think it would be a great way to honour the original album by including this new version in this boxset.

Slash: But those dudes had nothing to do with the original album? 

Axl: As I said, a great way to honour the original album. You can hear your iconic guitar solos almost played note for note Slash, but with a few nuanced differences. And some different effects which you don't use but sounded great in 1999 so will presumably still sound awesome now. But better yet guys, this version now has keyboards! And if there's anything we know about our fans... they always want more keyboards!

 

Axl: We owe it to Paul "The Original Guitar Player" Huge to include it. If I'd had time to really complete Appetite, this is how it would've sounded anyway.

Slash and Duff: Goddammit...

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1 minute ago, 19AT5 said:

I don't mind keyboards/piano in GNR. They have there places for sure. I think Estranged is up there with some of the best work in the GNR catalogue. I also think there are a few really good tracks on Chinese Democracy, and a lot of less good tracks, but that the whole thing is an over produced mess. What annoys me though is a band I used to love, that had a true rock n roll spirit, pretty much bombed around the turn of the century and became a bit of a joke. I really wanted Axl to succeed as I really loved the multiple personalities in his voice. Oh, and as I got older I began to appreciate his lyrics more too.

I think a lot of people would disagree that they bombed then, as many in here really love CD. In fact, I'd say more do than don't. 

The complete lack of any progress whatsoever musically since then.....well that's another story! 

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3 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I think a lot of people would disagree that they bombed then, as many in here really love CD. In fact, I'd say more do than don't. 

The complete lack of any progress whatsoever musically since then.....well that's another story! 

Well you can hardly say the band post-2000 is more successful than the 1987 to 1993 era. I remember going to school after the VMAs in 2002 and there was nobody raving about what they had seen. This was a band once dubbed the most dangerous in the world mind on! They were seen as a joke.

Sometimes I wonder if people here (not directed at you specifically) live in an alternate universe when it comes to GNR. Out with the hardcore/regular fan base, not many people know that much about the album. The album took 13 years to make, cost a fuck load, didn't sell that much and the main protagonist didn't even promote it!

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Just now, 19AT5 said:

Well you can hardly say the band post-2000 is more successful than the 1987 to 1993 era. I remember going to school after the VMAs in 2002 and there was nobody raving about what they had seen. This was a band once dubbed the most dangerous in the world mind on! They were seen as a joke.

Sometimes I wonder if people here (not directed at you specifically) live in an alternate universe when it comes to GNR. Out with the hardcore/regular fan base, not many people know that much about the album. The album took 13 years to make, cost a fuck load, didn't sell that much and the main protagonist didn't even promote it!

Oh those things are undeniable. 

There was a discussion a while back about this though in terms of what makes an album a 'success'. If fans liked it.....I'd say it was a success. Others see it differently, from a commercial view, or a critical view. 

The fact they've musically just stagnated since then is the worst bit for me. 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Oh those things are undeniable. 

There was a discussion a while back about this though in terms of what makes an album a 'success'. If fans liked it.....I'd say it was a success. Others see it differently, from a commercial view, or a critical view. 

The fact they've musically just stagnated since then is the worst bit for me. 

You're spot on that success isn't defined by one factor. Commercially it didn't do all that well comparatively to rest of the albums in the catalogue or other peer albums of the same time. Personally (for Axl), I'd assume it was a success to finally release the bloody thing! Critically (and this is obviously purely subjective), but most reviews were generally favourable. I think most general fans, critics etc just struggle to accept it as a GNR album, which is understandable. 

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10 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

As a huge fan of the OG ChiDem lineup, I totally want to hear their take of AFD

We  you more or less can by listening to any live shows from that period. Pretty much every song was played bar Anything Goes. I had actually forgot they played Think About You until I watched/listened to Rock In Rio 3 the other night. Was great to hear it!

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On 3/19/2021 at 7:10 AM, Rovim said:

I think it was a good idea for the band to record it so they could cover it better, but it seems Axl thought about actually releasing the entire rerecorded Appetite and he did release the SCOM hybrid. You can't do that with certain albums imo, the fans would never accept it.

it made more sense for Live Era, at least it was Axl's own work that got rerecorded but this was too out there for Gn'R with Appetite imo.

Yeah, ultimately I think that using it as a way for the band to get the "GNR" feel in the recording studio and nail down parts for future live performances is a cool idea but to actually release it?  I don't think many people outside of hardcore fans would even care about an Appetite re-recording by the actual lineup that made Appetite let alone a bunch of random dudes lol

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My interest in the re-recorded AFD mainly revolves around me hearing how Axl sounds on it. I thought his vocal performance on what we heard in the second part of SCOM sounded fantastic. 

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5 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

My interest in the re-recorded AFD mainly revolves around me hearing how Axl sounds on it. I thought his vocal performance on what we heard in the second part of SCOM sounded fantastic. 

Honestly I kind of dig that era of Axl's voice and wish we got more of it.  One of my favorites is how dark his vocals sound on the Live Era re-recording of YCBM

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