allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: It’s more about the reality of the music industry in 2020. What’s the realistic demand of a new GNR album in 2020? Who’s buying albums and what do those numbers look like for an artist these days? If GNR is going for maximum exposure, are there any alternative ways for a release that go beyond selling physical copies? Do they have that kind of support outside of rehashing Jungle/Paradise City with brand tie ins? He’s probably overwhelmed by all of the different avenues needed to make an impact. You can’t just release an album into the wild and let it sell No- you CAN just release an album into the wild and let it sell. Especially if you're just about to go out on a massive tour you can use to promote it! It's what EVERY other band does! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, allwaystired said: No- you CAN just release an album into the wild and let it sell. Especially if you're just about to go out on a massive tour you can use to promote it! It's what EVERY other band does! Not when there’s more financially at stake than normal releases these days. Not when albums don’t sell millions of copies and will be relying on streaming. Not when your artist generally doesn’t do any promotion to help it. There needs to be a more solid plan in place than other releases 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: Not when there’s more financially at stake than normal releases these days. Not when albums don’t sell millions of copies and will be relying on streaming. Not when your artist generally doesn’t do any promotion to help it. There needs to be a more solid plan in place than other releases Why is there more at stake than 'normal' releases? What makes it not a 'normal' release? Why does there 'need to be a more sold plan in place than other releases?' Yet again it all comes down to the same question: Why do these problems seem to only, ever, impact on GNR? There seems to be this constant idea that every other band is in one corner, GNR in the other, battling supposed 'problems' that don't effect anyone else. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 There are many ways to release an album. Pearl Jam is doing it the traditional way, announcement followed by a tour in support of it. There is also the option of releasing it how Eminem did, a surprise release, which will bring infinite publicity and excitement. Again, Slash knows all of this. He and Duff have drunk the Nu-GNR kool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, allwaystired said: Why is there more at stake than 'normal' releases? What makes it not a 'normal' release? Why does there 'need to be a more sold plan in place than other releases?' Yet again it all comes down to the same question: Why do these problems seem to only, ever, impact on GNR? There seems to be this constant idea that every other band is in one corner, GNR in the other, battling supposed 'problems' that don't effect anyone else. GNR gets an advance to release an album that’s stipulated in their contract. What’s that number? I guarantee you that number isn’t in line with what advances are normally in 2020. Label contracts in 2020 also dip into other revenue streams to help offset the decline in record sales. GNR’s contract most likely relies solely on recouping from album sales/streaming alone. Everyone needs to plan out a strategy for that release to make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: GNR gets an advance to release an album that’s stipulated in their contract. What’s that number? I guarantee you that number isn’t in line with what advances are normally in 2020. Label contracts in 2020 also dip into other revenue streams to help offset the decline in record sales. GNR’s contract most likely relies solely on recouping from album sales/streaming alone. Everyone needs to plan out a strategy for that release to make sense Bands don't get advances to release albums. They get them to record albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: He’s probably overwhelmed by all of the different avenues needed to make an impact. You can’t just release an album into the wild and hope it sells Except that you can though. Anyone with a big enough name can do it. Many artists have done so and will continue to do so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Except that you can though. Anyone with a big enough name can do it. Many artists have done so and will continue to do so. I sound like a broken record, as I’ve said this a few times now, but it’s really out of frustration out of how bullshit of a response he gave: he is one of those artists that release music, and he solo is smaller than Guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Bands don't get advances to release albums. They get them to record albums. Not true. Once the label has decided pick up your option and facilitate a release, there’s an advance associated with it. Whether you waited for that advance to start funding your recording or put up the $ yourself beforehand is irrelevant 6 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Except that you can though. Anyone with a big enough name can do it. Many artists have done so and will continue to do so. Which is why Axl is Axl. None of this should be surprising. I just wouldn’t count on him playing that game or wanting something grandiose/outrageous that will never come to fruition. They prob need to find a way around him for all of that to work. Slash/Duff are there to lean on in that capacity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt88 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) How is the new Tool record not the model here? There's a band with a built in loyal following that is not as big as GNR's, hadn't released an album in 13 years, and just put it on streaming services and CD and it was the best selling rock record of the year. They did some basic promotion like Maynard going on Joe Rogan, but it wasn't exactly a blitz (you could argue that them putting their stuff on streaming WAS the blitz). They didn't overthink it. GNR has such a built in following as evidenced by the tour, as long as it was clear to people that yes Slash is indeed on this record, how is it not the biggest selling rock record of the year? Edited January 23, 2020 by bt88 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, guitarpatch said: Not true. Once the label has decided pick up your option and facilitate a release, there’s an advance associated with it. Whether you waited for that advance to start funding your recording or put up the $ yourself beforehand is irrelevant Which is why Axl is Axl. None of this should be surprising. I just wouldn’t count on him playing that game or wanting something grandiose/outrageous that will never come to fruition. They prob need to find a way around him for all of that to work. Slash/Duff are there to lean on in that capacity You're defeating your own logic here....why would you wait for an advance to start funding a recording you'd already recorded? The advance is intended to pay for studio time and living expenses around that period. Hence the word 'advance'. it's money loaned to you based on future earnings The recuperation of that money to the record company comes when the record is out there and selling. Why would any band in their right mind take an advance they have to pay back to fund recording they'd already paid for?! Are you honestly thinking that GNR are wanting or needing to loan money from anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, bt88 said: How is the new Tool record not the model here? There's a band with a built in loyal following that is not as big as GNR's, hadn't released an album in 13 years, and just put it on streaming services and CD and it was the best selling rock record of the year. They did some basic promotion like Maynard going on Joe Rogan, but it wasn't exactly a blitz (you could argue that them putting their stuff on streaming WAS the blitz). They didn't overthink it. GNR has such a built in following as evidenced by the tour, as long as it was clear to people that yes Slash is indeed on this record, how is it not the biggest selling rock record of the year? Exactly. Tool just released the damn thing. The CD looked good, was well packaged, and fans snapped it up. The whole debate around 'how to release' something is all just Trump-ist divergent smoke and mirrors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreacher Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Manager of the year: Fernando 6 months "statement" in Reddit Almost 6 months later band states that they don't even have a plan right now! I guess i'll spend my Sweden Rock ticket money to something else now =) Edited January 23, 2020 by ThePreacher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just release it. The more they wait to show this stuff to people the higher are expectations. Pearl Jam just released their new single. It’s different than most of their stuff. Some fans didn’t like it, some love it. What does it mean? Nothing. Axl is taking releasing stuff as too big thing. Don’t be afraid of what your fans will think. Just show us what you got. Positive thing about what Slash said is that we know it exists. Sooner or later we will hear it, I believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: I don't mean this in a shitty way, but I think Axl is still stuck in 1991 as far we record promotion goes. Dude probably has no idea how things are done these days. I think, he believes gnr are still on the tips of every record execs tongue... they ain't. At the same time he goes out and says record labels have no interest in bands, preferring to deal with a singer and 12 producers, which is on point. He probably expects a huge roll out regardless and if he doesn't get it (like with the cd marketing) he'll refuse to do a tap of promotion and bomb the record. Nothing like bombing in style, to be fair. Stick it to the man.... unfortunately Axl is the man in this scenario😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackparker123 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 If we keep getting fucked around I really hope someone behind the scenes leaks it. That would massively serve Axl right for being such a diva. Nearly 4 years into the reunion we deserve new music. Where's The Chairman when you need him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, allwaystired said: You're defeating your own logic here....why would you wait for an advance to start funding a recording you'd already recorded? The advance is intended to pay for studio time and living expenses around that period. Hence the word 'advance'. it's money loaned to you based on future earnings The recuperation of that money to the record company comes when the record is out there and selling. Why would any band in their right mind take an advance they have to pay back to fund recording they'd already paid for?! Are you honestly thinking that GNR are wanting or needing to loan money from anyone? I’m not sure you understand how labels work. GNR gets an advance on sales when the label picks up their record option in their contract. This is all stipulated in the contract. Each record option correlates with a specific amount of $. Usually this number escalates. For example a band signs a 5 album deal. 1st album : 500k 2nd album: 500k 3rd album: 750k 4th album: 1 mil 5th album: 1 mil Each album is essential an option. The label can decide to pick up your option and give you that advance, not pick up your option and keep the artist in limbo (where they aren’t allowed to release anything), or drop you from the contract. The artist usually wants an escalating number to counteract the control the label imposes on them. However they don’t want that advance number to be unrealistic where it puts the artist/label in limbo for the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 If GNR were a normal band, they would have just casually mentioned a year or two back that they would be working on new music but concrete details on an album. A little later they would have casually mentioned that they had recorded stuff but didn’t have any release date just yet. A bit later, they’d announce it. But GNR are not a normal band. We have to guess whether fernando is really fernando on reddit. We have to gauge Jarmos positivity and decide if he’s more positive than normal or not. We have to over analyse Slash/Duff and Richards interviews and try to find some meaning. What exactly was said? Was it said in a positive or negative way? Are they deliberately been vague or do they actually have no idea? Fernando said before the reunion, “Why can’t people read between the lines?” But why do we always need to read between lines? Why do plans always change with Guns but never with SMKC or Duff. Some of latest comments would drive even the most reasonable person crazy! Fortus saying they love working on new songs but it’s just a matter of everybody feeling comfortable to adapt it to the show... it’s not that hard to just play a new song. Now Slash saying they don’t really know how to release music, despite releasing multiple albums in the last decade. I’ll remain quietly optimistic until 31/012020. If the all new show is literally just a rehash of NITL, I think many of us will give up on the little hope we have remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinia_29 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) I thought Jon bon jovi's voice is shot and even he's gonna release a new album. 2020 is a great year for us classic rock fans, even without any mythical gnr album. Edited January 23, 2020 by Zinia_29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: I’m not sure you understand how labels work. GNR gets an advance on sales when the label picks up their record option in their contract. This is all stipulated in the contract. Each record option correlates with a specific amount of $. Usually this number escalates. For example a band signs a 5 album deal. 1st album : 500k 2nd album: 500k 3rd album: 750k 4th album: 1 mil 5th album: 1 mil Each album is essential an option. The label can decide to pick up your option and give you that advance, not pick up your option and keep the artist in limbo (where they aren’t allowed to release anything), or drop you from the contract. The artist usually wants an escalating number to counteract the control the label imposes on them. However they don’t want that advance number to be unrealistic where it puts the artist/label in limbo for the future No, I get what you're saying - my point is that an advance must be a total moot point for a band like GNR. They have no need to borrow money from a record company whatsoever at this juncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, allwaystired said: No, I get what you're saying - my point is that an advance must be a total moot point for a band like GNR. They have no need to borrow money from a record company whatsoever at this juncture. However, the contract stipulates they get one. If they need it or not. Then would need to renegotiate that advance if they’d want to bypass that or significantly reduce it. Which prob costs them significant lawyer fees. The other end is that labels love advances. They may not be willing to release a record without one. They get to hide/ballon costs in the recoupment. They make more $ and have more cash flow when the album is in recoupment than when they are paying out royalties All in all, the band needs to fulfill this contract. In the long run they prob not only make more $ independently, but it gives them more freedom to do other stuff. Such as milking fans on a live archive Edited January 23, 2020 by guitarpatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: However, the contract stipulates they get one. If they need it or not. Then would need to renegotiate that advance if they’d want to bypass that or significantly reduce it. Which prob costs them significant lawyer fees. The other end is that labels love advances. They may not be willing to release a record without one. They get to hide/ballon costs in the recoupment. They make more $ and have more cash flow when the album is in recoupment than when they are paying out royalties All in all, the band needs to fulfill this contract. In the long run they prob not only make more $ independently, but it gives them more freedom to do other stuff. Such as milking fans on a live archive This is all speculation though. Are we even sure if they are still under any sort of contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, allwaystired said: This is all speculation though. Are we even sure if they are still under any sort of contract? They are still with UMG. So yes. We just don’t know the specifics of the contract. I’m sure it’s been changed countless times over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Zinia_29 said: I thought Jon bon jovi's voice is shot and even he's gonna release a new album. 2020 is a great year for us classic rock fans, even without any mythical gnr album. Johnny has already discovered that he can release utter shite records then fill arenas without Richie whilst barely straining through a set with no range or power so he's already planned out his next decade of albums and mini-tours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Sounds like he's being passive aggressive about Axl. The industry works the same way for everyone else except THIS band? He makes it sounds like nobody releases albums anymore. More likely it's just Gingerpubes and he can't say directly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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