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27 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I think we only have a fraction of the vault.

I meant, when he has given up any hope of finishing the music himself and realize their is a possibility it would be released posthumously. 

I agree that theres plenty more. And who knows, if Axl has gotten better at securing it from leaking, Axl might be the only one who can control if we ever hear whatever he's been up to post CD sessions. But I tend to think that there are both colleagues and fans who have a lot of the material too.

Just spit balling, but is there any reason for us to think Axl opposes posthumous releases? Because his actions almost point to him desiring that - he writes and records music with no sign of it being released by him. 

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6 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

I love how we talk about this vault like it’s this mythological object that’s under lock and key. We’re talking about a few hard drives and DAT tapes here that’s probably backed up on some server. 

Anyways, I’m sure there is a ton of stuff we haven’t heard that’s in various forms of completion. I find the posthumous talk is a bit too much. I don’t feel things are that dire. Nor should it be the focal point of discussion. 

They probably have stuff that can be ready for release in short order. Whether that’s a single, ep length, or album is another thing. It seems like they don’t want to release it for the sake of releasing something. It feels that there needs to be a purpose behind it and for it be worth their time/energy to let go (the same can be said for UMG). It takes two to tangle there. 

The focus for this band is obviously currently cashing in on touring revenue. It won’t last forever. We’ll see once things dwindle, how these guys look at the long term function of the band. If they release anything, it will be most likely that it’s time for them to do so strategically to set something up. Whether that’s a tour, to fulfill record contracts, try and get synch deals or other endeavors. 

Hearing new material is not lost. The thought of GNR and new material being some cultural revolution in music has most likely passed. The more those expectations dwindle, the more the reality of the situation reveals itself. 

I agree that it is dire and I share your optimistic outlook. I am sure Axl will release some of this material. I just fear that if that happens, the hope of hearing it posthumously might be misplaced. But yes, that is gloomy and will hopefully never be relevant. Here's to music either while touring or as soon as they end it! Cheers!

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12 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I've been afraid of that being a possibility for a couple of years now :/

Sadly, I think that's exactly what will happen.  Right now, TB is doing what pads their bank accounts, and right now that's booking shows.  They're not GNR fans.  They don't give a fuck about new music....Until it suits them financially.  That could be when Axl kicks it and/or when he's unable to call the shots and tour for whatever reason. That vault is chock full of good stuff.  You can count on it. 

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7 minutes ago, soon said:

Just spit balling, but is there any reason for us to think Axl opposes posthumous releases? Because his actions almost point to him desiring that - he writes and records music with no sign of it being released by him. 

We know he can be painstakingly perfectionist and opposed to anything being released before he considers it completed. But who knows? Maybe he will just go, "fuck it, I can't be bothered to work on this anymore and it is getting more and more dated and irrelevant to what Guns N' Roses is today, so I will just release it as is." If anything, Axl is quite incomprehensible to me and keeps on surprising me. 

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1 hour ago, Towelie said:

I gotta say, it'd be utterly depressing if the next album we get from GNR comes posthumously. I've seen a few fans speculate about Team Brazil cashing in after Axl dies (in hopefully many, many years from now). I have no doubt that folks like Fernando would do this, but as a big fan of a few deceased artists, I feel I can say with some authority that it's never the same once the artist has passed on. I've listened to all the posthumous material from MJ and even Prince (who has a tonne of unreleased material), but nothing beats the excitement of getting a new album from the artist when they're still alive. A musical statement which the artist oversaw and gave their stamp of approval over will always trump a posthumous cash-in release.

 

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

If Axl doesn't want something to be released I just suppose he will destroy it before he dies so someone doesn't release it posthumously against his will. Just imagine that, Axl burning the vault because he is not happy with it and don't want it out. He erased an early version of This I Love, didn't he? Maybe the vault is already gone.

I don't think Fernando/TB is going to have sole possession of the vault though. I think Slash and Duff may also have a say in what happens to the contents.

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3 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

Sadly, I think that's exactly what will happen.  Right now, TB is doing what pads their bank accounts, and right now that's booking shows. 

I am quite certain they book shows because that's what Axl tells them to do. This idea that TB runs the show is quite amusing to me. I can't think of another artist as steadfast and fiercely independent as Axl and to think someone's got him wrapped around their fingers as some management's slave, doesn't at all seem plausible to me. 

2 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree

I don't think Fernando/TB is going to have sole possession of the vault though. I think Slash and Duff may also have a say in what happens to the contents.

I was thinking about the music created when they weren't in the band. Granted, they did record 7 songs in late 1996 when Slash was still in the band, but most of the current vault were created after this. What they have done since 2016 is anyone's guess, but I doubt it comprises an amount anyway comparable to what was created in 1997-2014.

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4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I am quite certain they book shows because that's what Axl tells them to do. This idea that TB runs the show is quite amusing to me. I can't think of another artist as steadfast and fiercely independent as Axl and to think someone's got him wrapped around their fingers as some management's slave, doesn't at all seem plausible to me. 

I was thinking about the music created when they weren't in the band. Granted, they did record 7 songs in late 1996 when Slash was still in the band, but most of the current vault were created after this. What they have done since 2016 is anyone's guess, but I doubt it comprises an amount anyway comparable to what was created in 1997-2014.

Sure, but I highly doubt that Ashba or whoever is going to suddenly be given part ownership of the vault. Far more likely that Slash and Duff will have a say in it.

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9 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Sure, but I highly doubt that Ashba or whoever is going to suddenly be given part ownership of the vault. Far more likely that Slash and Duff will have a say in it.

There’s 2 GNR entities from my understanding.  One that exists with the 3 partners and then Axl’s GNR which consists of the CD era. 

Anything that includes Slash most likely is being done under the original partnership umbrella. Anything else that is from the CD era is probably still under Axl’s control. Tommy, Ashba, Finck, etc while still  have writing credits/royalties if stuff is released, don’t have the power to decide what’s done with the material 

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15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

We know he can be painstakingly perfectionist and opposed to anything being released before he considers it completed. But who knows? Maybe he will just go, "fuck it, I can't be bothered to work on this anymore and it is getting more and more dated and irrelevant to what Guns N' Roses is today, so I will just release it as is." If anything, Axl is quite incomprehensible to me and keeps on surprising me. 

Speaking of Axl being incomprehensible, it strikes me as an 'Axl thought' to in fact plan a trilogy of albums to be released after his death, one album every Halloween or whatever, lol.

With NuGuns material sitting there and Duff and Slash back one option would be for Axl to release his NuGuns tracks as solo material. This would, in theory, remove the burden of needing to match Guns success/perfection with it. He can release a track or two whenever SMKC and Duff are doing their own thing. Hopefully some new Guns releases with Slash and Duff too, of course.

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2 minutes ago, soon said:

Speaking of Axl being incomprehensible, it strikes me as an 'Axl thought' to in fact plan a trilogy of albums to be released after his death, one album every Halloween or whatever, lol.

With NuGuns material sitting there and Duff and Slash back one option would be for Axl to release his NuGuns tracks as solo material. This would, in theory, remove the burden of needing to match Guns success/perfection with it. He can release a track or two whenever SMKC and Duff are doing their own thing. Hopefully some new Guns releases with Slash and Duff too, of course.

I think in his mind the vault is Guns N' Roses material and it wouldn't make sense to him to release it as a solo effort. But this is purely speculation on my part.

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4 minutes ago, soon said:

Speaking of Axl being incomprehensible, it strikes me as an 'Axl thought' to in fact plan a trilogy of albums to be released after his death, one album every Halloween or whatever, lol.

With NuGuns material sitting there and Duff and Slash back one option would be for Axl to release his NuGuns tracks as solo material. This would, in theory, remove the burden of needing to match Guns success/perfection with it. He can release a track or two whenever SMKC and Duff are doing their own thing. Hopefully some new Guns releases with Slash and Duff too, of course.

I like that idea, but the problem is that I think Axl still sees the vault songs in his head as “Guns n Roses material.” Releasing it as solo stuff would be the logical thing to do, but this is Axl we’re talking about, so Logic is out the window.

im starting to agree with some others here that he and TB are probably waiting until he’s aged to the point of being physically incapable of touring before releasing this stuff. If that’s the case, it’d be sad cause we’d never get to hear stuff like Atlas live.

EDIT: @SoulMonster great minds think alike, I see!

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20 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

I like that idea, but the problem is that I think Axl still sees the vault songs in his head as “Guns n Roses material.” Releasing it as solo stuff would be the logical thing to do, but this is Axl we’re talking about, so Logic is out the window.

im starting to agree with some others here that he and TB are probably waiting until he’s aged to the point of being physically incapable of touring before releasing this stuff. If that’s the case, it’d be sad cause we’d never get to hear stuff like Atlas live.

EDIT: @SoulMonster great minds think alike, I see!

Im sure that you and @SoulMonster are right that Axl has perceived the material as Guns material. I guess I feel like Axl is evolving in some ways, such as seeming more relaxed. So in that sense maybe he'd be ready and willing to change his perspective. Id admit that is less than likely though.

Yeah, to the extent that TB has Axls ear to help steer the ship. Especially on topics he seems sensitive about like releasing new music Im sure he sees TBs counsel as being personal rather than professional. I think that blurred line can cause problems for Axl. However, I do think that Axl would release music if he decided he wanted to and would be in charge of TB to make that happen. Hard to know how the power dynamics work as an outsider, I guess.

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1 hour ago, guitarpatch said:

I love how we talk about this vault like it’s this mythological object that’s under lock and key. We’re talking about a few hard drives and DAT tapes here that’s probably backed up on some server. 

Anyways, I’m sure there is a ton of stuff we haven’t heard that’s in various forms of completion. I find the posthumous talk is a bit too much. I don’t feel things are that dire. Nor should it be the focal point of discussion. 

They probably have stuff that can be ready for release in short order. Whether that’s a single, ep length, or album is another thing. It seems like they don’t want to release it for the sake of releasing something. It feels that there needs to be a purpose behind it and for it be worth their time/energy to let go (the same can be said for UMG). It takes two to tangle there. 

The focus for this band is obviously currently cashing in on touring revenue. It won’t last forever. We’ll see once things dwindle, how these guys look at the long term function of the band. If they release anything, it will be most likely that it’s time for them to do so strategically to set something up. Whether that’s a tour, to fulfill record contracts, try and get synch deals or other endeavors. 

Hearing new material is not lost. The thought of GNR and new material being some cultural revolution in music has most likely passed. The more those expectations dwindle, the more the reality of the situation reveals itself. 

To be fair, Lars Ulrich has a literal vault which looks like a small warehouse!

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1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree

I don't think Fernando/TB is going to have sole possession of the vault though. I think Slash and Duff may also have a say in what happens to the contents.

What about Axl's siblings? Woudn't be more plausible if in his will most things are left for them? And even if he doesn't have his siblings on his will, neither their children and his siblings aren't alive anymore.

Even with a will with everything left to TB, woudn't the children have some chance to legally fight for some of it?

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14 minutes ago, Rickodez said:

What about Axl's siblings? Woudn't be more plausible if in his will most things are left for them? And even if he doesn't have his siblings on his will, neither their children and his siblings aren't alive anymore.

Even with a will with everything left to TB, woudn't the children have some chance to legally fight for some of it?

This, the people always talk as if Axl don't have his own family.... weird

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I think it would surprise many of us just how much veto power Axl VERY LIKELY still has over Slash & Duff even now.

I have to think, just based on the way those two operate, that new music would be of the highest priority at this point, and that an album would have perhaps already materialized if they were truly steering the ship.

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3 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

I think it would surprise many of us just how much veto power Axl VERY LIKELY still has over Slash & Duff even now.

I have to think, just based on the way those two operate, that new music would be of the highest priority at this point, and that an album would have perhaps already materialized if they were truly steering the ship.

While it’s possible that Axl still has “power” within the partnership, he’s still beholden to UMG to release music. It takes multiple parties to decide what to do. None of us know enough of the details to start pointing fingers 

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10 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

I can't see any circumstance in which Axl's siblings children could have any rights to his belongings, if that is what is being referred to. That makes no sense unless he named them in his will.

Yeah. None of us know these people personally, so we can’t say for sure, but if I had to make an educated guess, I’d say he’s most likely to name TB’s descendants in his will as the heirs to everything he has.

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4 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

If Axl doesn't want something to be released I just suppose he will destroy it before he dies so someone doesn't release it posthumously against his will. Just imagine that, Axl burning the vault because he is not happy with it and don't want it out. He erased an early version of This I Love, didn't he? Maybe the vault is already gone.

Damn! that'd be so Axl like. 

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4 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Damn, we need something new to talk about. Like leaks, for example. 

Something new needs to leak first before we can talk about it tho lol.

We could always just talk about the village leaks over and over from now until we’re dead (assuming nothing will leak or be released ever again). There was a lot of stuff there! I compiled it all into four albums for myself.

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7 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

If Axl doesn't want something to be released I just suppose he will destroy it before he dies so someone doesn't release it posthumously against his will. Just imagine that, Axl burning the vault because he is not happy with it and don't want it out. He erased an early version of This I Love, didn't he? Maybe the vault is already gone.

Oh God imagine if he has destroyed hundreds of songs. He must have written shit loads over the years. The bugger. 

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