Popular Post Legendador Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) I remember when I was a teenager, I got as Christmas gifts the "Use Your Illusion I & II (World Tour 1992 in Tokyo)" VHS, the "Oh Say Can, You Scream" VHS (Skid Row) and the "Live Shit: Binge & Purge" (Metallica). Happy kid, right? GNR was and is my favorite band, so I startet by watching the UYI tapes, by the fourth song I was curious to watch both "road docs" by Skid Row and Metallica. To me a live show at Tokyo was cool, bu something was lacking (this was 93 or 94 to me). I started watching Skid Row's doc and it blew me away, it was cooler than GNR's big bloated concert, then Metallica's, which was cooler than Skid Row's. We could really see both bands operating, their backstage life, their raw songs, it was fun, it wasn't boring. That always bothered me about GNR, I love them, but they blew/blow every single opportunity to really entertain their fans and that, to me, turned the band into a boring act. Tha hiatus between 1994 and 2000 - Boring Matt Sorum himself - Boring and Whinny Sympathy for the Devil - Boring OMG - Boring Rock In Rio 2001 - Boring (come on! Axl lost me in the middle of WTTJ with the Mickey voice) Mickey voice - Boring (he does that on purpose because he wants to do longer shows with GNR and that prevents him to blow his voice, just watch the AC/DC show and see that his voice was full on, not Mickey at all, and thoses shows were 1 1/2 hour long) The 2002 Circus - Boring and depressing 2006 was ok The hype on the ChiDem's release was great Chinese Democracy itself was a disappointment (let's face it and the music industry does not even talk about it anymore, to the overall fans it is the same - not a GNR record. Not a single memorable song, maybe "Street of Dreams") 2010 / 2012 was ok 2013 / 2014 was awfull (The band felt tired and it was the same setlist over and over again) The Vegas Residency - Booooooooooooooring they sounded like a cover band DJ Ashba - Boring Bumblefoot - Boring That keyboard player that I forgot the name and that got fired - Boring 2016 - Reunion was coooool 2017 - Same setlist and it became boring (Slash and Duff were not smiling as much) 2018 - Boring (same show, same setlist, too many cover songs, shows are too long, they are not even interacting that much with each other) 2019 - Boring ALL instrumentals that leaked - BORING The setlists with alternative new songs or deep cuts that were never played in 4 years - Boring A kid's book - cool (if we had a proper music release) That same "give us a new record" shit for 20 years - Boring The thing is, just the hardcore fans care about a new album, they pack stadiums and will always pack because people want to hear SCOM and Patience and November Rain to exhaustion. Do you see the same hype about a new record the same as it was for Chinese Democracy? People don't care anymore. The band is boring, has zero credibility, and we are here just waiting to get even more bored. Us, hardcore fans, we don't even make fun of the band not releasing anything new in 12 years! We just complaint and create theories. The only record that we will maybe have is a LIVE NITL 2016 to 2020 release, and that's it! This is why the GNR Selects are for. BORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING. I give up on this band for now. As Axl say himself "he doesn't owe us anything"! Edited November 12, 2020 by Legendador 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreacher Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 We would make an excellent documentary of a fanbase with endless hope of something that will probably never see the light of the day "Endless Waiting" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, soon said: There is something charming about this thread, though. Like kids anticipating Christmas or something. Yes, but in that scenario at least Christmas comes once a year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 At least when the next album comes out, we will probably have only heard less than half of it with the leaks rather than most of it like with CD in 2008. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ThePreacher said: We would make an excellent documentary of a fanbase with endless hope of something that will probably never see the light of the day "Endless Waiting" I have actually considered something like this in the past. The fandom of GNR I think would make a really interesting topic, there's so many questions that non-fnas would ask. If anyone has any experience of this sort of thing, and wants to have a go.....DM me! Edited November 12, 2020 by allwaystired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 10:47 AM, DTV88 said: I agree with you. The lack of Izzy was the biggest problem with CD. Ha! Are you serious? The biggest problem with CD was Axl’s choices of songs. And, his vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Legendador said: I remember when I was a teenager, I got as Christmas gifts the "Use Your Illusion I & II (World Tour 1992 in Tokyo)" VHS, the "Oh Say Can, You Scream" VHS (Skid Row) and the "Live Shit: Binge & Purge" (Metallica). Happy kid, right? GNR was and is my favorite band, so I startet by watching the UYI tapes, by the fourth song I was curious to watch both "road docs" by Skid Row and Metallica. To me a live show at Tokyo was cool, bu something was lacking (this was 93 or 94 to me). I started watching Skid Row's doc and it blew me away, it was cooler than GNR's big bloated concert, then Metallica's, which was cooler than Skid Row's. We could really see both bands operating, their backstage life, their raw songs, it was fun, it wasn't boring. That always bothered me about GNR, I love them, but they blew/blow every single opportunity to really entertain their fans and that, to me, turned the band into a boring act. Tha hiatus between 1994 and 2000 - Boring Matt Sorum himself - Boring and Whinny Sympathy for the Devil - Boring OMG - Boring Rock In Rio 2001 - Boring (come on! Axl lost me in the middle of WTTJ with the Mickey voice) Mickey voice - Boring (he does that on purpose because he wants to do longer shows with GNR and that prevents him to blow his voice, just watch the AC/DC show and see that his voice was full on, not Mickey at all, and thoses shows were 1 1/2 hour long) The 2002 Circus - Boring and depressing 2006 was ok The hype on the ChiDem's release was great Chinese Democracy itself was a disappointment (let's face it and the music industry does not even talk about it anymore, to the overall fans it is the same - not a GNR record. Not a single memorable song, maybe "Street of Dreams") 2010 / 2012 was ok 2013 / 2014 was awfull (The band felt tired and it was the same setlist over and over again) The Vegas Residency - Booooooooooooooring they sounded like a cover band DJ Ashba - Boring Bumblefoot - Boring That keyboard player that I forgot the name and that got fired - Boring 2016 - Reunion was coooool 2017 - Same setlist and it became boring (Slash and Duff were not smiling as much) 2018 - Boring (same show, same setlist, too many cover songs, shows are too long, they are not even interacting that much with each other) 2019 - Boring ALL instrumentals that leaked - BORING The setlists with alternative new songs or deep cuts that were never played in 4 years - Boring A kid's book - cool (if we had a proper music release) That same "give us a new record" shit for 20 years - Boring The thing is, just the hardcore fans care about a new album, they pack stadiums and will always pack because people want to hear SCOM and Patience and November Rain to exhaustion. Do you see the same hype about a new record the same as it was for Chinese Democracy? People don't care anymore. The band is boring, has zero credibility, and we are here just waiting to get even more bored. Us, hardcore fans, we don't even make fun of the band not releasing anything new in 12 years! We just complaint and create theories. The only record that we will maybe have is a LIVE NITL 2016 to 2020 release, and that's it! This is why the GNR Selects are for. BORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING. I give up on this band for now. As Axl say himself "he doesn't owe us anything"! So. I might be wrong, but you were fairly bored? 😂 I can’t say I agree with all your points but respect them. 06 and 09/10 were better than OK for me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlSlashthebest Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, The Holographic Universe said: Ha! Are you serious? The biggest problem with CD was Axl’s choices of songs. And, his vocals. the voice of Axl during CD sessions ? Are u killing me. He was at his best level. try to find TIL with the mix of DJ Ashba (I think it's him). It's the best of Axl voice u will find. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said: Ha! Are you serious? The biggest problem with CD was Axl’s choices of songs. And, his vocals. I'm dead serious. Izzy is my favorite artist and his guitar work was sorely missing. But that wasn't the only problem, obviously. Most of the songs are a copy and paste mess with too many layers of guitars and vocals. Some, like Catcher and The Blues, could have been great GnR songs with Izzy and Slash on them. As for the voice, Axl even admitted himself that his clean voice wasn't received as well as he had hoped it would be. It's all good, though. He tried it and most people didn't like it It's not the end of the world to have a release not live up to the hype. Just move on and try again. 1 hour ago, AxlSlashthebest said: the voice of Axl during CD sessions ? Are u killing me. He was at his best level. try to find TIL with the mix of DJ Ashba (I think it's him). It's the best of Axl voice u will find. DJ Ashba only plays on the emo version of Better and his two solo instrumentals. That's Robin on the remix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreacher Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Prob nothing at all but that "hardschool" fan-made video has been deleted from Youtube. I know it has been there for a long long time cause it has been the only source i've been listening to it =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, DTV88 said: I'm dead serious. Izzy is my favorite artist and his guitar work was sorely missing. But that wasn't the only problem, obviously. Most of the songs are a copy and paste mess with too many layers of guitars and vocals. Some, like Catcher and The Blues, could have been great GnR songs with Izzy and Slash on them. As for the voice, Axl even admitted himself that his clean voice wasn't received as well as he had hoped it would be. It's all good, though. He tried it and most people didn't like it It's not the end of the world to have a release not live up to the hype. Just move on and try again. DJ Ashba only plays on the emo version of Better and his two solo instrumentals. That's Robin on the remix. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 It’s kinda surreal that despite all the cash we hemorrhage, the pain we endure, the years we spent spreading the gospel of GNR, we are seen as nothing more than a collective group of “agitators” and we are despised utterly despised by the man we all cherish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlSlashthebest Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, DTV88 said: DJ Ashba only plays on the emo version of Better and his two solo instrumentals. That's Robin on the remix. No I speak about the TIL he produce (if it's him) with a very slow tempo. Not on sale. Noboby know what I'm talking about ? Maybe I'm wrong !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeperilsofrockNRollDekednz Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Maybe 2025 might be the year! Why not?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said: Our mate the other page back said industry people say it's done. That Malibu real estate chick said it's done too, lol. I'm not sure how serious i take hearsay, but we all know Slash is a workaholic. There is no reason why he couldn't have belted out Guns stuff in a week or two during lockdown or last year. We know he has been in the studio for GNR, going back at least until early last year (with his amp incident). I would hazard a guess that most of the studio/band work is done, with the material now likely in the hands of producers and editors in post-production work. Its not done. Axl is still tweaking his vocals from 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, AxlSlashthebest said: No I speak about the TIL he produce (if it's him) with a very slow tempo. Not on sale. Noboby know what I'm talking about ? Maybe I'm wrong !!!!! That was a version of Better, not TIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester 524 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 19 hours ago, DTV88 said: What's the next excuse, Fernando? the cassette player they used to record everything broke. they expect a new cassette player as soon as they are available- looks like 4 to 6 months. everything is on backorder due to new quarantine hobbies. apparently cassette players are to musicians as what banana bread is to people trying to shut their kids up while on lockdown. for those who dont understand sarcasm, this is it. But at the same time I kind of feel like it could be true. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 hours ago, vloors said: Its not done. Axl is still tweaking his vocals from 1999. You're joking, but there are people suggesting that if they use the old Axl tunes from the CD sessions (which I think is beyond doubt), they might actually use those original vocal tracks, instead of re-singing it. I consider that unthinkable, and if it was the case, it would be a big FY to the fans. Who does that. I hope he'll do it anew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreacher Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 New AC/DC is out now. Axl, now is ur turn #nofeelingshurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, jamillos said: You're joking, but there are people suggesting that if they use the old Axl tunes from the CD sessions (which I think is beyond doubt), they might actually use those original vocal tracks, instead of re-singing it. I consider that unthinkable, and if it was the case, it would be a big FY to the fans. Who does that. I hope he'll do it anew. Imagine that, all we get are chinese makeovers with old vocals. It is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Imagine that, all we get are chinese makeovers with old vocals. It is possible. Nah. It would be if Slash wasn't in the band. But he's worked on new music I presume, and it would make no sense if his only task was remaking Axl's demos without his own original input. They need to show the world what they're capable of even in terms of composing new music as a band, not just refurbishing old material. I believe it'll be a mixture in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 16 hours ago, DTJ80 said: So. I might be wrong, but you were fairly bored? 😂 I can’t say I agree with all your points but respect them. 06 and 09/10 were better than OK for me at least. I’m so bored with this band right now! 😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Legendador said: I’m so bored with this band right now! 😂😂😂 To be honest - right now IS boring. ☹️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, El Guapo said: Imagine that, all we get are chinese makeovers with old vocals. It is possible. Thing is - we don’t even know what vocal style is on the other stuff. Hardschool was the perfect blend, there is the TIL remix ultra-rasp.....I’d absolutely prefer new vocals as we know he can kill it in the studio and would be more likely to replicate current voice in a live setting However - beggars can’t be choosers either - and I’ll take whatever.....and that whatever could be absolutely killer anyway. Edited November 13, 2020 by DTJ80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlSlashthebest Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 hours ago, DTV88 said: That was a version of Better, not TIL. good job my friend !! thx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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