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The "New Album" Thread - Susan McKagan says album is coming,"Universal database implies new album is coming because the numbers between Hard Skool and Absurd are missing"?


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7 hours ago, Rovim said:

interesting. I think The Wall is the best example (and I think this has been said for the last 40 years) of a great album with a lot of filler and tunes that would sound weak on their own mixed with a bunch of masterpieces and they serve the main theme of the album.

Very true. The Final Cut is essentially what The Wall would have sounded like without the masterpieces propping it up. Probably my least favourite PF album truth be told.

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36 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

The sad thing is I remember coming across a GNR website back in like 1997 and finding out there was a new GNR on the go and they were recording this new album (at the time rumoured to be called 2000 Intentions). A few years passed and nothing was released. Then in 1999, I remember seeing GNR on the new album releases in my local record store on a small wee remote island and being really excited by this... assuming it was the studio record. Turns out it was Live Era '87-'93 album, but I bought it anyway. I can't remember what came first, but suddenly Oh My God appeared out too and I loved it! I thought "here we go!" And pretty much since then, I've been waiting for new GNR music to arrive. And apart from 2008 with the arrival of a mythical album with little to no fanfare, it has been a solid disappointment. Always hoped Axl had it in him to pull out of the bag. But by this stage, I think it looks unlikely. I think somebody previously suggested an official Chinese Democracy box set at some point and that might actually be quite cool. But that looks to be the best bet at this stage. 

I'm not normally this miserable a shit in real life!

I'll never forget how exciting the 2008 album was to me, but was executed very, very poorly to be in the view of the masses. I think that album would have been more successful if it was promoted and released properly.

I expect the next album to be hyped up a lot, which will likely be a revamped CD2. 

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4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I'll never forget how exciting the 2008 album was to me, but was executed very, very poorly to be in the view of the masses. I think that album would have been more successful if it was promoted and released properly.

I expect the next album to be hyped up a lot, which will likely be a revamped CD2. 

 

The release and promotion was terrible! I was so hyped thinking we would get to see GUNS on tv, radio, award shows etc and it went off like a candle in the wind. 

Error #1 Not having Better as the lead single with an epic video

Error #2 Axl disappearing. 

 

And it goes on and on. 

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3 hours ago, Nightrain7 said:

 

The release and promotion was terrible! I was so hyped thinking we would get to see GUNS on tv, radio, award shows etc and it went off like a candle in the wind. 

Error #1 Not having Better as the lead single with an epic video

Error #2 Axl disappearing. 

 

And it goes on and on. 

I really was terrible.  I thought the same thing... and then nothing.

It would have been interesting to hear some insiders views on what went wrong.

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5 hours ago, Nightrain7 said:

 

The release and promotion was terrible! I was so hyped thinking we would get to see GUNS on tv, radio, award shows etc and it went off like a candle in the wind. 

Error #1 Not having Better as the lead single with an epic video

Error #2 Axl disappearing. 

 

And it goes on and on. 

Big thing was Axl refusing to promote it at all because he was upset they didnt use his cover art or something lol

But yes no interviews, no promotion and the songs had been heard over the last 7 years already in concert or via leaks.

I feel the decision to stream it entirely on myspace for free was another poor decision too. 

Oh and leaving it so long between albums was a MAJOR mistake. 

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32 minutes ago, gnrjanus said:

Managers went wrong. 

Robin leaving straight after the release must have hurt a lot. 

 

I think Robin technically left after the 2007 ANZ tour so imagine he was out of the band by July/August, over a year before the release of the album. I think GN'R never spoke of his departure at the time because they thought he could be persuaded to rejoin once the album release was determined.

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On 3/9/2021 at 9:50 AM, Rovim said:

people can change their mind a lot in 30 years. Or even in a week. So the whole burying Appetite thing... I think Axl felt extra motivated to realize his artistic potential with newer releases cause maybe he didn't believe the peak of his career at the time was Appetite and it was such a monster of an album. (commercially and artistically)

NR and Don't Cry didn't make it for example and he always was interested in exploring the more bombastic side of the epic ballad thing. I think he always wanted to incorporate different styles into the sound of the band too so maybe Appetite, as good as it still is, was viewed as just the beginning by Axl back then.

It must not be a pleasant feeling at all when you're that young and successful, to think the best is now behind you. That's kinda fucked up so the natural thing to believe in and to tell yourself and others is maybe "I need to nail it so hard next time just to make sure there is no way anyone would think I've peaked with my debut album".

Axl's self importance seemed to have fueled his motivation in the past so maybe that line was just a way to explain what his goal and approach was.

 

Great reply...

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1 minute ago, Sledge said:

The ending part of the video was something better suited to a tour documentary than a long awaited music video return

An actual Better video was planned. It was weird, as far as I know it never left the previsualization stage. 

I believe one was planned for Chinese Democracy too. (CD was an awful single and video idea, IMO)

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It really is absolutely crazy when you think back to it that CD was released and there was no single taken from it. That's the absolute bare minimum you'd think would happen to promote a new album. 

The release and promotion of CD must go down in history as one of the worst of all time. I don't really see how it could have been done worse. 

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There was a TVC campaign I saw but no more than what you would expect than a reminder concert tickets are about to go on sale. I went to a record store the day before and it was just there on the shelf behind the guy. I got a promotional window poster somewhere and the box set. 

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2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

An actual Better video was planned. It was weird, as far as I know it never left the previsualization stage. 

I believe one was planned for Chinese Democracy too. (CD was an awful single and video idea, IMO)

The intro killed it. What radio station were gonna play that 1 minute intro 

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1 hour ago, rumandraisin said:

The intro killed it. What radio station were gonna play that 1 minute intro 

Haha yeah no kidding, I think they had a radio friendly edit though for radio play.

The MSL leak of Chinese Democracy was my favorite, overall. 

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4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

An actual Better video was planned. It was weird, as far as I know it never left the previsualization stage. 

I believe one was planned for Chinese Democracy too. (CD was an awful single and video idea, IMO)

I think Axl mentioned on the chats here that he wasn't interested in the big production videos anymore. The leaked video was a solid confirmation. I only remember him saying as an afterthought that if he did do a non live video it would have been for shacklers based on the dark humour of dexter

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16 minutes ago, Sledge said:

I think Axl mentioned on the chats here that he wasn't interested in the big production videos anymore. The leaked video was a solid confirmation. I only remember him saying as an afterthought that if he did do a non live video it would have been for shacklers based on the dark humour of dexter

That would have been a cool video!

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30 minutes ago, gavgnr said:

Gonna voice a presumably unpopular opinion here: I think I’d rather a Chinese box set over a new record from these guys. That era holds so much intrigue for me.

of course, the chances  of us getting either are rarer than finding rocking horse shite! 😅

Agreed. Assuming any new album would be mostly CD-era songs anyway, I'd rather hear them in their earlier form.

Plus I want as much music from Axl and Buckethead as possible. :ph34r:

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8 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Plus I want as much music from Axl and Buckethead as possible. :ph34r:

Fingers crossed there is more stellar material in the vault like Scraped!!!!!!  

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