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I work from home, so any music I listen to is either hand-selected or curated on streaming services. I used to listen to the radio exclusively in the car during my commute to and from work. So all that said, I wouldn't know if the local stations in Chicago played "Hard Skool."

Thing is, "modern rock radio" doesn't really exist much these days. The stations that play rock  mostly seem geared toward "classics." So you'll get the handful of big hits from each band. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Paradise City" and "Dirty Deeds" and "Rooster" etc.

Even when Chinese Democracy dropped 13 years ago, the local rock stations played the self-titled track once or twice to announce new GNR music, then went right back to "Sweet Child O' Mine." 

I know Sirius XM has some modern rock stations but I don't have a subscription anymore.

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33 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

I work from home, so any music I listen to is either hand-selected or curated on streaming services. I used to listen to the radio exclusively in the car during my commute to and from work. So all that said, I wouldn't know if the local stations in Chicago played "Hard Skool."

Thing is, "modern rock radio" doesn't really exist much these days. The stations that play rock  mostly seem geared toward "classics." So you'll get the handful of big hits from each band. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Paradise City" and "Dirty Deeds" and "Rooster" etc.

Even when Chinese Democracy dropped 13 years ago, the local rock stations played the self-titled track once or twice to announce new GNR music, then went right back to "Sweet Child O' Mine." 

I know Sirius XM has some modern rock stations but I don't have a subscription anymore.

The stations that consider themselves "modern rock" are playing Breaking Benjamin and other dated sounding stuff like that.

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3 hours ago, Axl S said:

My point stands, physical releases are occurring months after digital release.

Maybe I'm missing a piece of some larger point out of context, but, this just isn't true. 

In the last couple of months, I've received Iron Maiden's Senjutsu, Carcass' Torn Arteries, and River of Nihil's The Work day and date with the release day from Amazon.

There are some lingering vinyl production issues stemming from the pandemic, of course, and, most every band is doing limited edition colored vinyl restricted to a certain number, in order to maximize profits against cost, but, I'd say, by and large, other than some smaller bands who do delayed pressings based on the number of orders, most mainstream bands are not shipping physical releases months after a release date has passed.  

Again, I might be missing your point, but, it's all about capitalizing on the first two weeks of release to the die-hards.  Any later than that, these days, and it's on to the next thing.

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13 hours ago, oneway23 said:

Maybe I'm missing a piece of some larger point out of context, but, this just isn't true. 

In the last couple of months, I've received Iron Maiden's Senjutsu, Carcass' Torn Arteries, and River of Nihil's The Work day and date with the release day from Amazon.

There are some lingering vinyl production issues stemming from the pandemic, of course, and, most every band is doing limited edition colored vinyl restricted to a certain number, in order to maximize profits against cost, but, I'd say, by and large, other than some smaller bands who do delayed pressings based on the number of orders, most mainstream bands are not shipping physical releases months after a release date has passed.  

Again, I might be missing your point, but, it's all about capitalizing on the first two weeks of release to the die-hards.  Any later than that, these days, and it's on to the next thing.

How is Carcass’ Torn arteries mate? Any good?

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5 hours ago, DownUnderScott said:

How is Carcass’ Torn arteries mate? Any good?

Oh, Brother...It's a real scorcher...Depends on how you feel about Surgical Steel, though.  It's more in that vein, though probably even a little further in the more melodic Heartwork/Swansong style.

Give it a whirl & let me know what you think!

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5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

The band intends to release more new music. 

Plans will likely change when the singer yet again refuses to go to the studio.

So then they'll have to fall back on all those other fantastic songs he sung, like Zodiac, Berlin, Cuban Skies, PRL, Seven, Rebel, Soul Monster.......

Oh wait.....

Atlas Shrugged/Perhaps EP - coming soon

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7 minutes ago, Pele said:

Plans will likely change when the singer yet again refuses to go to the studio.

So then they'll have to fall back on all those other fantastic songs he sung, like Zodiac, Berlin, Cuban Skies, PRL, Seven, Rebel, Soul Monster.......

Oh wait.....

Atlas Shrugged/Perhaps EP - coming soon

omg you r like the speculation in person

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9 minutes ago, Pele said:

Plans will likely change when the singer yet again refuses to go to the studio.

So then they'll have to fall back on all those other fantastic songs he sung, like Zodiac, Berlin, Cuban Skies, PRL, Seven, Rebel, Soul Monster.......

Oh wait.....

Atlas Shrugged/Perhaps EP - coming soon

once agian blaming axl it's not all axl you know it's managment and maybe even slash he seems to focus on smkc more than guns atm

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I know we would all want new music from scratch with axls vocals from 2016 onwards just to know how he sounds in studio.

That said, if vocals already recorded are the best he can sound, I’ll take those happily.

Hardschool vocals sound great, they shouldnt be changed.

Im more concerned about what these guys (Axl+Slash) can bring to the table together as a band again. And that would obviously mean actual vocals as well

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57 minutes ago, kingcanyon said:

once agian blaming axl it's not all axl you know it's managment and maybe even slash he seems to focus on smkc more than guns atm

Slash wants to write and release music

Management want new music out

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6 hours ago, yourcrazy said:

With the announcement of the 4 song ep being released does that mean the full album is still a ways out or not happening?

They’re really promoting the hell out of this EP thing, and that’s a bit of a red flag. 

If no album drops by November, I think it’s safe to say that the best we can hope for is an “Atlas Shrugged EP” in mid to late 2022. Not exactly ideal. 😕

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On 9/28/2021 at 1:44 PM, oneway23 said:

Maybe I'm missing a piece of some larger point out of context, but, this just isn't true. 

In the last couple of months, I've received Iron Maiden's Senjutsu, Carcass' Torn Arteries, and River of Nihil's The Work day and date with the release day from Amazon.

There are some lingering vinyl production issues stemming from the pandemic, of course, and, most every band is doing limited edition colored vinyl restricted to a certain number, in order to maximize profits against cost, but, I'd say, by and large, other than some smaller bands who do delayed pressings based on the number of orders, most mainstream bands are not shipping physical releases months after a release date has passed.  

Again, I might be missing your point, but, it's all about capitalizing on the first two weeks of release to the die-hards.  Any later than that, these days, and it's on to the next thing.

Then why is the new Nirvana set that went on sale last week shipping in May? Why is the new Gaga remix album that is currently available to download also shipping on vinyl in May? The Charlie Parker live set was supposed to drop on the second record store day but was pushed to Black Friday because of pressing delays. Pearl Jam's vaults usually take 3-4 months to ship and this last one took almost 9. Those are all huge acts. Even that Maiden was kind of a mess with many record stores not getting the amount they ordered, and still getting them delivered now. I'm sitting on 6 records that I ordered a while ago that still aren't coming for months. Guns certainly waited too long to send the songs to get pressed, but it's not just them. 

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It's actually a bit of a mystery why GN'R can't seem to release any music. They used to be incredibly prolific. 5 albums of material from 87-91 if we include TSI. And CD apparently Axl wanted to release it twice but was turned down by the label? Now with Slash and Duff who can do an album in two weeks are there to help him, yet nothing happens. The argument that there aren't any vocals just can't be possible. He had a pretty good voice just 5 years ago and more than passable just a few years ago. Are we to believe he was just demented when he said there were several albums in the works? There has to be a lot more than Atlas. If that is true we should expect to see it within a year or so, to support a dwindling tour. 

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1 hour ago, GoBucky said:

Then why is the new Nirvana set that went on sale last week shipping in May? Why is the new Gaga remix album that is currently available to download also shipping on vinyl in May? The Charlie Parker live set was supposed to drop on the second record store day but was pushed to Black Friday because of pressing delays. Pearl Jam's vaults usually take 3-4 months to ship and this last one took almost 9. Those are all huge acts. Even that Maiden was kind of a mess with many record stores not getting the amount they ordered, and still getting them delivered now. I'm sitting on 6 records that I ordered a while ago that still aren't coming for months. Guns certainly waited too long to send the songs to get pressed, but it's not just them. 

I take your point, and, again, I certainly acknowledged various pandemic-related vinyl delays, but, many of your examples are also a bit apples to oranges.

- The Nirvana set is SEVEN LPs.  The 1LP version, with bonus 7" is actually coming out day & date, in November.  Still, comparing a seven LP deluxe set to a measly 7" single is not even in the same ballpark.

- The Charlie Parker was a RSD exclusive, wasn't it?  OK, it got delayed, but it moved from one RSD to another.  As a RSD release, it wasn't going have a normal release date. 

- The Pearl Jam vault sets are semi-annual, specialty releases.  They aren't official discography studio releases.  You'd have a point if Gigaton didn't ship on time last March.  It did.

- As far as Maiden goes, even if stock had been a bit up and down, it was officially released day and date with the CD and digital, not to mention it was a full-length, double-LP, released in multiple variations.   You could receive the album on release day.  Calling it "kind of a mess" is subjective, and comparing it to GNR releasing a 7" single NINE months from now is a bit ridiculous.

- I'll give you Gaga.  Haven't paid attention to her since Joanne :lol:

Let's not go back and forth, trying to find examples that prove our respective points.  The pandemic has screwed a lot of supply chains up, but, nine months for a single, in any environment, is just....ABSURD:bitchfight:

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9 minutes ago, oneway23 said:

I take your point, and, again, I certainly acknowledged various pandemic-related vinyl delays, but, many of your examples are also a bit apples to oranges.

- The Nirvana set is SEVEN LPs.  The 1LP version, with bonus 7" is actually coming out day & date, in November.  Still, comparing a seven LP deluxe set to a measly 7" single is not even in the same ballpark.

- The Charlie Parker was a RSD exclusive, wasn't it?  OK, it got delayed, but it moved from one RSD to another.  As a RSD release, it wasn't going have a normal release date. 

- The Pearl Jam vault sets are semi-annual, specialty releases.  They aren't official discography studio releases.  You'd have a point if Gigaton didn't ship on time last March.  It did.

- As far as Maiden goes, even if stock had been a bit up and down, it was officially released day and date with the CD and digital, not to mention it was a full-length, double-LP, released in multiple variations.   You could receive the album on release day.  Calling it "kind of a mess" is subjective, and comparing it to GNR releasing a 7" single NINE months from now is a bit ridiculous.

- I'll give you Gaga.  Haven't paid attention to her since Joanne :lol:

Let's not go back and forth, trying to find examples that prove our respective points.  The pandemic has screwed a lot of supply chains up, but, nine months for a single, in any environment, is just....ABSURD:bitchfight:

I'm seriously not trying to go back and forth, but if these pressing plants weren't so backed up because of Covid and lack of room/help, none of these releases would be delayed. The Metallica box was bigger than Nirvana's and came out on it's release date because they have their own plant. There certainly shouldn't be a 9 month delay on a 7" single, and wouldn't be if the band took care of their business in a timely manner, but the problems are there and apparently getting worse. I read an article last week saying that one pressing plant isn't taking in any new orders until at least mid-2022, which sucks as a collector.

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