betterman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Do live tracks/versions get these numbers as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, betterman said: Do live tracks/versions get these numbers as well? If they’re part of said release, then yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandOla Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I say triple album confirmed this November yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drlaban Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, LandOla said: I say triple album confirmed this November yay ‘November Yay’ confirmed as next single. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Ya know what? I’m damn happy. Poor Fernando has probably had to live in untold fear of over speaking for his uncle. I’m sure he would’ve loved to give us this news himself, if only so people would stop busting his balls so much. What we have instead is empirical proof that a largescale GNR release is somehow imminent. The only way that I can foresee this being a bust is if it’s a “live” album that also includes Hard Skool & Absurd. They don’t hate us that much…do they? 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) It's definitely the most solid clue we've had so far that an album exists. It doesn't necessarily mean that a release is imminent, though. It's possible that an album has been sent for pressing alongside the singles. In this case, the fact that the 7'' is being released in June 2022 means that the vinyl version of the album won't be ready for release earlier than that. Of course they could put it out digitally earlier, but, taking also Slash's album into account, I don't think that a digital album release months before the physical one is very likely. Maybe a third single in April/May and album in June. Either way, there's no doubt that it's the closest we've ever been to an album since 2008. Edited October 12, 2021 by Blackstar 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Taking ABSUЯD for example: USUG12103950 can be separated in 4 parts: US is the country code (duh).UG1 is the registrant code (Universal Group)21 is the year the ISRC code was created (2021).03950 is the code asigned to ABSUЯD. The last part is the important one. The way it works is that the ISRC organization gives a batch of codes to the registrant (in this case Universal) to use, but it's the registrant the one who asigns each code to one song (in this case, it was Universal who specifically linked 03950 to ABSUЯD. The fact that Absurd and Hard Skool are in the same batch of codes, with unassigned codes in between and after, that's some clear evidence that both songs are part of something bigger. With that said, yes, I do agree that this doesn't mean that the album is "imminent", but it would be nice to know when ABSUЯD and Hard Skool ISRC's codes were created. Edited October 12, 2021 by GNRfanMILO 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Well, ok, here’s a question…how long can these 23 songs remain in “limbo” after being registered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sofine11 said: Well, ok, here’s a question…how long can these 23 songs remain in “limbo” after being registered? From here: https://www.ifpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ISRC_Handbook.pdf 4.4 How to assign ISRC An ISRC should be assigned when all creative processes are complete and a decision is taken to release a recording or hold it for later unchanged use. [...] A.6 WHEN SHOULD A NEW ISRC BE ASSIGNED? The International Standard states that ISRC shall be assigned “before the full mastering process for the recording is completed”. This needs to be understood in the broader context of “mastering” which includes the preparation of physical masters and files which need to contain the ISRC before manufacturing and distribution. ISRC will normally be assigned after the recording has gone through the final creative processes which are also termed “mastering” –application of equalisation and compression to optimise the sound.Practicalities of project management may require ISRC to be provisionally assigned in anticipation of a completed mix. Allowing an ISRC to be associated with a recording as it completes its substantive production stages is acceptable and can have benefits for the continuity of other information such as data about performer line-up and other contributors. Such assignment of ISRC becomes secure only upon completion of a final mix, since full details of title, contributors to that mix, duration etc., may not be fully known prior to this point.Users should check on recommendations from Digital Data Exchange (DDEX) which is working on recommendations for the identification of projects in the studio. [...] A recording that is releasable (i.e. it is mixed and mastered) but is not in fact released may be assigned an ISRC.The ISRC shall be associated with the recording as it stored and, in order to avoid multiple ISRC assignment it shall be used in future exploitation of that recording, i.e. if that recording is later released. Edited October 12, 2021 by Blackstar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 So, in GNR speak, you would imagine they would go through those particular motions only if the intent to release (sooner than later) was the case? Or am I off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, sofine11 said: So, in GNR speak, you would imagine they would go through those particular motions only if the intent to release (sooner than later) was the case? Or am I off? Yes, I think this sounds right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post janrichmond Posted October 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, IkaruFunk said: Okay, can we now rename this thread to "Universal database implies new album is coming because the numbers between Hard Skool and Absurd are missing"? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, janrichmond said: Again, It’s better than @Fernando literally giving us a date. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, opalho said: What would the album be called? Chinese Democracy 2 obviously. Edited October 12, 2021 by StrangerInThisTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just tuning in: can someone PLEASE give me a brief synopsis of what exactly is going on, in layman's terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 hours ago, slash23579 said: So I took the time to look up all the codes for Chinese Democracy as a reference Chinese Democracy - USUM70842892 Shackler’s Revenge - USUM70842907 Better - USUM70842891 Street of Dreams - USUM70842909 If the World - USUM70842903 There Was a Time - USUM70842910 Catcher in the Rye - USUM70842912 Scraped - USUM70842913 Riad N the Bedouins - USUM70842906 Sorry - USUM70842908 I.R.S. - USUM70842902 Madagascar - USUM70842904 This I Love - USUM70842911 Prostitute - USUM70842905 So all the codes are within a specific range together, which could be a good sign for a new album with HS and Absurd imo but who knows. One thing I’ve noticed tho is they are definitely not in order and there are missing numbers so it’s not confirmed that there’s an album with 11 tracks separating the songs I looked for the 8 codes in the gap between 42892 (Chinese Democracy) and 42902 (I.R.S) and they were never assigned - they are blank. It seems that more spots in the range were reserved (maybe for different versions/mixes), but never used. Also regarding CD, I see that ISRC codes were assigned to different versions of the songs ("Version 2") in 2009. There are also assigned versions in 2008 that say "Do Not Use": https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Guns N' Roses&recordingYear=2008&tab=advanced&showReleases&start=0&number=100 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said: Silkworms was not a throwaway, to Axl at least. Maybe in the eyes of fans, which is fair, but Axl played it live 4 times in 2001 and was always pretty excited about it, and said he wanted to release it as a single many times. I don’t think it was a throwaway in his eyes. At the party in 2010 when the phone recording of The General was taken , Silkworms was also played and recorded, right? So definitely a song he always had plans for I'd have thought Edited October 12, 2021 by Caedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I looked for the 8 codes in the gap between 42892 (Chinese Democracy) and 42902 (I.R.S) and they were never assigned - they are blank. It seems that more spots in the range were reserved (maybe for different versions/mixes), but never used. Also regarding CD, I see that ISRC codes were assigned to different versions of the songs ("Version 2") in 2009. There are also assigned versions in 2008 that say "Do Not Use": https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Guns N' Roses&recordingYear=2008&tab=advanced&showReleases&start=0&number=100 Wasn't If The World also released before the album for that movie Body of Lies? By that 2008 interview with Axl that you found a year ago, and how Shackler's is described as "Stereo version", I think it would be a safe bet to assume that those "Version 2" tracks would be the Blu-ray mix, which likely would mean a 5.1 surround sound mix that Axl wanted to release at some point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: Wasn't If The World also released before the album for that movie Body of Lies? By that 2008 interview with Axl that you found a year ago, and how Shackler's is described as "Stereo version", I think it would be a safe bet to assume that those "Version 2" tracks would be the Blu-ray mix, which likely would mean a 5.1 surround sound mix that Axl wanted to release at some point. If it was the same as the album version of ITW in the movie, then it's the same ISRC code. Shackler's Revenge is the only song that there's no assigned ISRC for "Version 2", but there is an ISRC for "stereoversion". Edited October 12, 2021 by Blackstar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Also, the "Do Not Use" version of Better is 5:33 minutes long... and guess what, the unreleased official music video of Better is... 5:33 minutes long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said: Also, the "Do Not Use" version of Better is 5:33 minutes long... and guess what, the unreleased official music video of Better is... 5:33 minutes long Yes, the code prefix is USUV (UV = Universal Videos, I assume). The other "Do Not Use" is Chinese Democracy, also UV. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I looked for the 8 codes in the gap between 42892 (Chinese Democracy) and 42902 (I.R.S) and they were never assigned - they are blank. It seems that more spots in the range were reserved (maybe for different versions/mixes), but never used. Also regarding CD, I see that ISRC codes were assigned to different versions of the songs ("Version 2") in 2009. There are also assigned versions in 2008 that say "Do Not Use": https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Guns N' Roses&recordingYear=2008&tab=advanced&showReleases&start=0&number=100 Yup! Which is why I would caution everyone who sees 23 songs and thinks “Oh fuck yeah, double album!!!!” It could be similar “do not use” or live versions of YCBM for a specific physical release. Just be happy this more than likely means ALBUM. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Maybe the album name is G N' F R S ?! Both arts of Absurd and HS says that .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezosk Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 man just to think we have to wonder about all this in a sherlock-holmes'esque way just to make assumptions about the possibility of a release... Gn'R 🐬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlvai Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Is this real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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