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The "New Album" Thread - Susan McKagan says album is coming,"Universal database implies new album is coming because the numbers between Hard Skool and Absurd are missing"?


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3 hours ago, Pele said:

I'm like a dude who goes to the forum of a company who made chocolate ice cream ten years ago, who would love to have it again but knows the recipe is lost, and gets annoyed when the manufacturers pretend that they are going to make some more.

I think you’re smarter than that. I think you completely understand how this operation works here and now. You don’t like it. Everything in 10 years has been dog shit for you. That’s your right, no doubt about it. I just don’t understand what you get out of making different versions of the same gripe ad nauseam, with literally no caveats that you may enjoy anything GNR from now until you die. It’s a bummer and I just don’t get it.

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1 minute ago, We love Axl Rose said:

Someone to tell me what the fuck is going on !
Goddamn it ! :lol:

Some of us got together and hired a team of autistic savants to hack Universal’s database to see if an album was imminent. Their findings were impressive. This is what Fernando Lebeis has reduced the GNR fan base to. 

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2 hours ago, slash23579 said:

So I took the time to look up all the codes for Chinese Democracy as a reference 

Chinese Democracy - USUM70842892

Shackler’s Revenge - USUM70842907

Better - USUM70842891

Street of Dreams - USUM70842909

If the World - USUM70842903

There Was a Time - USUM70842910

Catcher in the Rye - USUM70842912

Scraped - USUM70842913

Riad N the Bedouins - USUM70842906

Sorry - USUM70842908

I.R.S. - USUM70842902

Madagascar - USUM70842904

This I Love - USUM70842911

Prostitute - USUM70842905

So all the codes are within a specific range together, which could be a good sign for a new album with HS and Absurd imo but who knows. One thing I’ve noticed tho is they are definitely not in order and there are missing numbers so it’s not confirmed that there’s an album with 11 tracks separating the songs

So in order:

Better - USUM70842891 (planned as a single/video for a while)
Chinese Democracy - USUM70842892 (single)
(gap)
I.R.S. - USUM70842902
If the World - USUM70842903
Madagascar - USUM70842904
Prostitute - USUM70842905
Riad N the Bedouins - USUM70842906
Shackler’s Revenge - USUM70842907
Sorry - USUM70842908
Street of Dreams - USUM70842909
There Was a Time - USUM70842910
This I Love - USUM70842911
Catcher in the Rye - USUM70842912
Scraped - USUM70842913 (last song recorded/finished?)

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7 hours ago, GNRfanMILO said:

The order in which the songs were uploaded to the IRSC database don't necessarily mean to be the album order.

Just checked and yes, between USUG12103950 (Absurd) and USUG12103961 (Hard Skool) it's all in blank. But also between HS and USUG12103973. That's 23 spots between Absurd and the first result after Hard Skool.

Double album confirmed 

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Once again, as silly as this may seem to some, this is solid evidence that a large scale release is coming. You literally can’t argue with what it looks like. If this were literally any other band, you could probably safely bet your life savings that this means an album is coming soon. But we’ve been burned so many times we just can’t take it at face value. 😂

4 minutes ago, Pskihq92 said:

Double album confirmed 

Probably more like different versions with different extras. 

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Ya know what? I’m damn happy. Poor Fernando has probably had to live in untold fear of over speaking for his uncle. I’m sure he would’ve loved to give us this news himself, if only so people would stop busting his balls so much. 
 

What we have instead is empirical proof that a largescale GNR release is somehow imminent. The only way that I can foresee this being a bust is if it’s a “live” album that also includes Hard Skool & Absurd. They don’t hate us that much…do they? 😳

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Taking ABSUЯD for example: USUG12103950 can be separated in 4 parts: 

US is the country code (duh).
UG1 is the registrant code (Universal Group)
21 is the year the ISRC code was created (2021).
03950 is the code asigned to ABSUЯD.

The last part is the important one. The way it works is that the ISRC organization gives a batch of codes to the registrant (in this case Universal) to use, but it's the registrant the one who asigns each code to one song (in this case, it was Universal who specifically linked 03950 to ABSUЯD.

The fact that Absurd and Hard Skool are in the same batch of codes, with unassigned codes in between and after, that's some clear evidence that both songs are part of something bigger.

With that said, yes, I do agree that this doesn't mean that the album is "imminent", but it would be nice to know when ABSUЯD and Hard Skool ISRC's codes were created.

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11 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

Well, ok, here’s a question…how long can these 23 songs remain in “limbo” after being registered? 

From here: https://www.ifpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ISRC_Handbook.pdf

4.4 How to assign ISRC

An ISRC should be assigned when all creative processes are complete and a decision is taken to release a recording or hold it for later unchanged use.

[...]

A.6 WHEN SHOULD A NEW ISRC BE ASSIGNED?

The International Standard states that ISRC shall be assigned “before the full mastering process for the recording is completed”. This needs to be understood in the broader context of “mastering” which includes the preparation of physical masters and files which need to contain the ISRC before manufacturing and distribution. ISRC will normally be assigned after the recording has gone through the final creative processes which are also termed “mastering” –application of equalisation and compression to optimise the sound.Practicalities of project management may require ISRC to be provisionally assigned in anticipation of a completed mix. Allowing an ISRC to be associated with a recording as it completes its substantive production stages is acceptable and can have benefits for the continuity of other information such as data about performer line-up and other contributors. Such assignment of ISRC becomes secure only upon completion of a final mix, since full details of title, contributors to that mix, duration etc., may not be fully known prior to this point.Users should check on recommendations from Digital Data Exchange (DDEX) which is working on recommendations for the identification of projects in the studio.

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A recording that is releasable (i.e. it is mixed and mastered) but is not in fact released may be assigned an ISRC.The ISRC shall be associated with the recording as it stored and, in order to avoid multiple ISRC assignment it shall be used in future exploitation of that recording, i.e. if that recording is later released.

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3 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

So, in GNR speak, you would imagine they would go through those particular motions only if the intent to release (sooner than later) was the case? Or am I off?

Yes, I think this sounds right.

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5 hours ago, slash23579 said:

So I took the time to look up all the codes for Chinese Democracy as a reference 

Chinese Democracy - USUM70842892

Shackler’s Revenge - USUM70842907

Better - USUM70842891

Street of Dreams - USUM70842909

If the World - USUM70842903

There Was a Time - USUM70842910

Catcher in the Rye - USUM70842912

Scraped - USUM70842913

Riad N the Bedouins - USUM70842906

Sorry - USUM70842908

I.R.S. - USUM70842902

Madagascar - USUM70842904

This I Love - USUM70842911

Prostitute - USUM70842905

So all the codes are within a specific range together, which could be a good sign for a new album with HS and Absurd imo but who knows. One thing I’ve noticed tho is they are definitely not in order and there are missing numbers so it’s not confirmed that there’s an album with 11 tracks separating the songs

I looked for the 8 codes in the gap between 42892 (Chinese Democracy) and 42902 (I.R.S) and they were never assigned - they are blank. It seems that more spots in the range were reserved (maybe for different versions/mixes), but never used.

Also regarding CD, I see that ISRC codes were assigned to different versions of the songs ("Version 2") in 2009. There are also assigned versions in 2008 that say "Do Not Use":

https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Guns N' Roses&recordingYear=2008&tab=advanced&showReleases&start=0&number=100

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