Jump to content

The "New Album" Thread - Susan McKagan says album is coming,"Universal database implies new album is coming because the numbers between Hard Skool and Absurd are missing"?


Recommended Posts

18 minutes ago, gavgnr said:

Best we can hope for is a digital release first and then physical copies to follow months later, as per the ‘EP’

I think the digital release happens well before (likely multiple) physical releases prob way down the road later in 2022. 

Looking at the Hard Skool single EP, releasing multiple formats with different exclusives puts the “why” behind shelling out more money for a physical CD or record, likely after purchasing the album digitally months before. I actually think it’s pretty cool. 

Edited by sofine11
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just my opinion, but I think releasing the album digitally just before the holidays this year would make perfect business sense. People will buy the shit out of the album and will be buying the physical copies too next year; which will likely drop around the same time as when the tour ramps back up. The band gets its ‘double dip’ and the fans get the music 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, gavgnr said:

Just my opinion, but I think releasing the album digitally just before the holidays this year would make perfect business sense. People will buy the shit out of the album and will be buying the physical copies too next year; which will likely drop around the same time as when the tour ramps back up. The band gets its ‘double dip’ and the fans get the music 

Exactly. It’s the first album of “new” GNR music with Slash & Duff since the 1st Bush administration. People will buy the shit out of it digitally, and FANS will happily buy the physical release(s) as well whenever they materialize. 
 

Only question now is “When?”.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, GNRfanMILO said:

People will buy the shit of it only if the band and the label decide to do a proper marketing campaign. 

There's a reason why Hard Skool hasn't even surpassed Absurd in views and is being already forgotten with a pathetic amount of 1.6M views, when bands like AC/DC or Iron Maiden are pulling off 5, 6, 7 or even 10 million views per single. And those bands have been around forever, they don't have the Axl+Slash sales boost.

Perhaps. I’m not super concerned with that though. If they can’t be bothered, why should we lose sleep over marketing logistics. Honestly, I just want to hear an album. If they can accomplish that much, I can forgive any promotion apathy. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, siraddam said:

Do you think they will release an album before the EP? The EP has already been announced and it's not being released until next year. The album may still be a long way off. Also, why release two songs on an EP that are going to be on the album?

Maybe cuz they know fans like single releases?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

Perhaps. I’m not super concerned with that though. If they can’t be bothered, why should we lose sleep over marketing logistics. Honestly, I just want to hear an album. If they can accomplish that much, I can forgive any promotion apathy. 

I agree with this, although it is admittedly frustrating that they do not bother to put the zero effort (for a band like them) it would take to market properly, ultimately I just want the music at this point though.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

I agree with this, although it is admittedly frustrating that they do not bother to put the zero effort (for a band like them) it would take to market properly, ultimately I just want the music at this point though.

Oh no doubt, it’s always cool to see something you especially dig get the recognition it deserves. I guess in my mind a new record with Axl, Slash & Duff is, in a weird way, even more of a miracle than Chinese Democracy’s eventual release was. Even more so than a reunion tour, which was at one point a long shot in its own right, if only because it requires them to be on the same page creatively to bring the two elements that made GNR special together, which is Slash’s guitar over Axl’s vocals. 

So sure, you’ll have folks splitting hairs about what works vs what doesn’t on the album, people upset because Axl’s vocals are from whenever, blah blah blah. It’s still a fucking miracle of rock n roll. Let’s not lose sight of that. 

Edited by sofine11
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I work with bands and I upload their tracks to the digital platforms. The reason the ISRC number from Absurd to Hard Skool has a gap is because they where uploaded at diferent dates to the digital distributor. From experiencia when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC. 

Im hopefull a new album will come out next year but this ISRC conspiracy is BS, sorry :)

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 2
  • Wow 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Walapino said:

I work with bands and I upload their tracks to the digital platforms. The reason the ISRC number from Absurd to Hard Skool has a gap is because they where uploaded at diferent dates to the digital distributor. From experiencia when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC. 

Im hopefull a new album will come out next year but this ISRC conspiracy is BS, sorry :)

We’ll that’s that then. Move along please…walkin as your talkin…

Link to comment
Share on other sites

54 minutes ago, Walapino said:

I work with bands and I upload their tracks to the digital platforms. The reason the ISRC number from Absurd to Hard Skool has a gap is because they where uploaded at diferent dates to the digital distributor. From experiencia when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC. 

Im hopefull a new album will come out next year but this ISRC conspiracy is BS, sorry :)

I'm not questioning what you say, but just for clarification:

1. Are you referring to the ISRC code or the UPC product release code? Because the ISRC codes seem to be assigned before a song/album is handed for distribution and they are not related to the release date.

2. When you say, "when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC," what do you mean exactly? That the single had, for example, an ISRC code ending in ...12 and the album tracks ended in ...13, ...14, and so on? Because if so, that's exactly what we've been talking about. Or do you mean that the songs you uploaded as an album had all the same code, which was the code of the single? In this case, it's the UPC code.

3. How do you explain the blank spots between Absurd and Hard Skool?

Edited by Blackstar
  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

36 minutes ago, Walapino said:

I work with bands and I upload their tracks to the digital platforms. The reason the ISRC number from Absurd to Hard Skool has a gap is because they where uploaded at diferent dates to the digital distributor. From experiencia when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC. 

Im hopefull a new album will come out next year but this ISRC conspiracy is BS, sorry :)

So if that’s the case, we should be able to tell which specific songs are in between the Absurd and HS #s, right? Presumably they would have been released already? 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, adamsapple said:

Since the band treats their music like a military operation, I'd say our best bet is to check Spotify etc. for new titles. Hard School was in the Spotify database some time before the release, it's the usual procedure. As soon as we see a new album on Spotify, even though it might not be available just then, chances are it might be out within the next 2-4 weeks from there on.

I don't think they're using the previously known titles that we know though, so what would we search for?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I'm not questioning what you say, but just for clarification:

1. Are you referring to the ISRC code or the UPC product release code? Because the ISRC codes seem to be assigned before a song/album is handed for distribution and they are not related to the release date.

2. When you say, "when I uploaded a complete album all the tracks correlate one after the other, if for example that album had a single that was uploaded months prior it will use that original ISRC," what do you mean exactly? That the single had, for example, an ISRC code ending in ...12 and the album tracks ended in ...13, ...14, and so on? Because if so, that's exactly what we've been talking about. Or do you mean that the songs you uploaded as an album had all the same code, which was the code of the single? In this case, it's the UPC code.

3. How do you explain the blank spots between Absurd and Hard Skool?

4. There is a sound that could be from the rest of a previous song on Hard Skool

Edited by Sosso
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Sosso said:

4. There is a sound that could be from the rest of a previous song on Hard Skool

Yes, this has been pointed out - although other people said that HS started like that live, so it's not from a previous song.

But regardless, the ISRC codes don't seem to have anything to do with when a song is uploaded to digital platforms. For example, AC/DC's first single, Shot In The Dark, was released in October 2020 and its ISRC code is USSM11914743. The ISRC of the second single, Realize, is USSM11914741 and it was released a month later.

Maybe it's different in the case of indie bands that self-release their work and the ISRC codes are assigned by the digital distributor, but in the case of bands that are with a label, the labels seem to assign ISRC's before the music is handed for distribution.

Edited by Blackstar
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

I don't think they're using the previously known titles that we know though, so what would we search for?

Axl in the 2008 chats said Soul Monster will be called that after he named a few working titles like the one with Elvis in it, and Leave Me Alone, something to that effect. So there is one title to search.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, this has been pointed out - although other people said that HS started like that live, so it's not from a previous song.

But regardless, the ISRC codes don't seem to have anything to do with when a song is uploaded to digital platforms. For example, AC/DC's first single, Shot In The Dark, was released in October 2020 and its ISRC code is USSM11914743. The ISRC of the second single, Realize, is USSM11914741 and it was released a month later.

So AC DC’s #s were assigned in 2019 and the album was released in 2020. The #s for those songs seemingly have nothing to do with single order and instead are in album order:

 

94E54212-52BF-4A09-8E84-79140F0A57A2.jpeg

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, GNRfanMILO said:

People will buy the shit of it only if the band and the label decide to do a proper marketing campaign. 

There's a reason why Hard Skool hasn't even surpassed Absurd in views and is being already forgotten with a pathetic amount of 1.6M views, when bands like AC/DC or Iron Maiden are pulling off 5, 6, 7 or even 10 million views per single. And those bands have been around forever, they don't have the Axl+Slash sales boost.

Back in 2016, even a compilation of Slash and Axl farts would've gotten 10M views without advertisement. Now it's too late IMO.

Those mentioned bands are professionals with proper marketing. A big thing GNR are missing with Hardskool and Absurb.

They also have a big catalogue of music to keep fans interested over the years. I am sure GnR has lost a few fans over lack of new music and big gaps between albums.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

So AC DC’s #s were assigned in 2019 and the album was released in 2020. The #s for those songs seemingly have nothing to do with single order and instead are in album order:

 

94E54212-52BF-4A09-8E84-79140F0A57A2.jpeg

So, ultimately, if this shit does actually mean anything the one thing we can be sure of is that it does NOT mean that a release is imminent.

Now there’s a fucking surprise.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, vloors said:

Those mentioned bands are professionals with proper marketing. A big thing GNR are missing with Hardskool and Absurb.

They also have a big catalogue of music to keep fans interested over the years. I am sure GnR has lost a few fans over lack of new music and big gaps between albums.

Guns N' Roses has more subscribers on their YouTube channel (9,41M), than Iron Maiden (only 2,02M) and AC/DC (8,35).

Yet both bands get 3 or 4 times more views per single. GnR could easily have more views than both bands.

Fuck, even Metallica's EXTREMELY active YouTube channel has less subscribers (7,71M) than GnR's.

Edited by GNRfanMILO
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

So AC DC’s #s were assigned in 2019 and the album was released in 2020. The #s for those songs seemingly have nothing to do with single order and instead are in album order:

 

94E54212-52BF-4A09-8E84-79140F0A57A2.jpeg

Yes, and the Iron Maiden ISRC codes order is the album order, too. It doesn't seem to always be the case, though. On CD, for example, the album order is different.

  • GNFNR 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Jw224 said:

I agree with this, although it is admittedly frustrating that they do not bother to put the zero effort (for a band like them) it would take to market properly, ultimately I just want the music at this point though.

Yeah me too. If they don't want to advertise it and promote to make sure it sells as much possible, well, their loss. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...