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9 hours ago, Rovim said:

a version of a complete album existed before the reunion took place. We know Slash and Duff worked on Axl's material. Updating enough tunes for a full album with Slash and Duff additions doesn't seem like it will be that difficult to do.

I think it's highly unlikely that all Slash and Duff worked on was Absurd and HS so I think a finished album with Slash and Duff must exist.

A version of this album existed already when CD was released or shortly after, I'm not that familiar with the Chinese Era timeline. There has to be a reason why Axl didn't release it. He sure didn't wait for the reunion all this time.

I hope the new album is coming with/before the start of the next tour leg. And I hope it's not only CD leftovers. I really hope there's music written by this line up. Or by Axl, Slash and Duff at least.

 

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1 minute ago, Free Bird said:

A version of this album existed already when CD was released or shortly after, I'm not that familiar with the Chinese Era timeline. There has to be a reason why Axl didn't release it. He sure didn't wait for the reunion all this time.

I hope the new album is coming with/before the start of the next tour leg. And I hope it's not only CD leftovers. I really hope there's music written by this line up. Or by Axl, Slash and Duff at least.

 

Bumble said he worked on 30 tunes so I believe the unreleased second half of CD consisted of at least 14 completed tracks. (I've excluded Absurd and HS) it's a conservative number cause I believe there is a lot of material that was maybe unfinished at the time and has been worked on since.

beggars can't be choosers, but I would really like to get music that was created by the current line up as well. I think Slash still has the ability to compose great shit that Axl can turn into something even better. He even saved a couple of riffs for Gn'R to use at the very least as you probably know, but if I had to guess, I'd say the entire potential next Guns album or most of it is Chinese era material.

Tunes that Axl wanted to release for more than a decade and he's just going to move forward with it and Slash and Duff chose to be a part of that project, helping him to update it.

I don't think releasing even great shit from the Chinese era which I'm very interested in is the same as coming up with fresh material and have it reflect artistically where the band is right now, but there is more than 1 way to make a great album and there are advantages to using what you consider to be great shit, even if it's old.

maybe if everything goes according to plan, someday we'll get brand new music from Gn'R, but that possibility is too far in the future to worry about right now imo.

pretty sure I'll like at least some of what Axl wants to release.

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13 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Bumble said he worked on 30 tunes so I believe the unreleased second half of CD consisted of at least 14 completed tracks. (I've excluded Absurd and HS) it's a conservative number cause I believe there is a lot of material that was maybe unfinished at the time and has been worked on since.

beggars can't be choosers, but I would really like to get music that was created by the current line up as well. I think Slash still has the ability to compose great shit that Axl can turn into something even better. He even saved a couple of riffs for Gn'R to use at the very least as you probably know, but if I had to guess, I'd say the entire potential next Guns album or most of it is Chinese era material.

Tunes that Axl wanted to release for more than a decade and he's just going to move forward with it and Slash and Duff chose to be a part of that project, helping him to update it.

I don't think releasing even great shit from the Chinese era which I'm very interested in is the same as coming up with fresh material and have it reflect artistically where the band is right now, but there is more than 1 way to make a great album and there are advantages to using what you consider to be great shit, even if it's old.

maybe if everything goes according to plan, someday we'll get brand new music from Gn'R, but that possibility is too far in the future to worry about right now imo.

pretty sure I'll like at least some of what Axl wants to release.

I think we'll have to wait and see...

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31 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

A version of this album existed already when CD was released or shortly after, I'm not that familiar with the Chinese Era timeline. There has to be a reason why Axl didn't release it. He sure didn't wait for the reunion all this time.

I hope the new album is coming with/before the start of the next tour leg. And I hope it's not only CD leftovers. I really hope there's music written by this line up. Or by Axl, Slash and Duff at least.

 

I think Axl wanted to. Maybe there’s some validity to MSL’s claim that the album was rejected. Which sounds odd as surely any label would jump at the chance of releasing a GnR record.

Maybe the label had caught wind of a potential reunion in the works (or at least being mooted) and decided to play the long game, particularly when you consider the long held belief that the band owes only one more record.

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Slash has said that he has written both with Conspirators and with GNR in mind and its two seperate entities - he will not use his ideas for conspirators on GNR and vice versa.

So we know he has written new stuff intended for GNR, i guess Duff has too.

The question here is wether Axl will contribute to it with new lyrics and vocals, he may want to clean out the closet first.

I guess a new single written by Slash/Axl/Duff will be promoted much more than these rearranged/rerecorded CD-era stuff.

Lets hope for both!

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2 hours ago, gavgnr said:

I think Axl wanted to. Maybe there’s some validity to MSL’s claim that the album was rejected. Which sounds odd as surely any label would jump at the chance of releasing a GnR record.

Maybe the label had caught wind of a potential reunion in the works (or at least being mooted) and decided to play the long game, particularly when you consider the long held belief that the band owes only one more record.

There wasn't a reunion in the works when MSL claims the album was rejected. 

I used to think the label declined the record, but now it's pretty clear they didn't. Axl sat on the follow up record waiting for the right time, waiting for people to wake up to Chinese but in reality by 2013 he should have retreated and come back with a new album. He had the material ready but he chose to wait it out being sure if they toured Chinese enough, they'd turn the tide of on public opinion, which would then make life a lot easier on the follow up release. 

I'm sure during that time Axl was at points in negotiation with the label about the next move... but GNR could barely release Appetite for Democracy without a disaster and that wasn't on the label trying to prevent it, it was 100% down to mismanagement (not to get into TB bashing), lots of other acts even ones with cantankerous singers who love suing managed to work with rockfuel and get releases ironed out within months of recording/filming.

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17 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Beta could also mean the Hard Skool release in february when mentioning the "cd".

I doubt it. In Brazil we would only mention "cd" as an album. Keep in mind that the Brazilian market didn't have many EP or single releases in the 80s/90s, it was very rare (I remember I had only that Extreme EP with More than Words/Hole Hearted) . 

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3 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I doubt it. In Brazil we would only mention "cd" as an album. Keep in mind that the Brazilian market didn't have many EP or single releases in the 80s/90s, it was very rare (I remember I had only that Extreme EP with More than Words/Hole Hearted) . 

interesting. So if Beta meant a full Guns album while talking about Absurd being a part of it, this could mean HS is a part of it as well.

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4 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I doubt it. In Brazil we would only mention "cd" as an album. Keep in mind that the Brazilian market didn't have many EP or single releases in the 80s/90s, it was very rare (I remember I had only that Extreme EP with More than Words/Hole Hearted) . 

Thanks for the insight. I do have a fairly rare 1999 OMG single from Brazil, it came with The World Is Not Enough too.

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3 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Thanks for the insight. I do have a fairly rare 1999 OMG single from Brazil, it came with The World Is Not Enough too.

The Garbage track for the 007 OST? I love that song, but for some reason it became an earworm last week lol

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15 hours ago, gavgnr said:

How many bands/artists release two songs and don’t follow that up with an album shortly thereafter? Genuine question 

Didn’t Motley Crue release a couple of singles before the ‘break up’ a few years ago? It’s the only example I can think of just now TBH!

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9 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Didn’t Motley Crue release a couple of singles before the ‘break up’ a few years ago? It’s the only example I can think of just now TBH!

The Stones did as well.

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16 hours ago, gavgnr said:

How many bands/artists release two songs and don’t follow that up with an album shortly thereafter? Genuine question 

We can only speculate, but I firmly believe I'm right here.

Most contracts/guarantees involve promotion.  A boxer can get a guarantee for a fight.  The obligation includes the fight itself, but also a number of press conferences, interviews etc.

Tours are the same.  Most tours come with a series of promotion, chat shows, interviews etc.  

I believe Rose (as always) refused any appearances but did agree to release two 'new' songs as promotion.

Maybe at one time he intended to actually release new songs.  What seemingly transpired is he got Slash and Duff to do new work while he used 20 year old, unreleased demo vocal takes and got his produced to patch them together using pro-tools.

I don't think there is any chance of a new album.

There is a possibility that they've given Perhaps, General, Atlas, OMG the same treatment and can maybe cobble something together, but I don't think they'll bother.

He'll probably just keep Atlas up his sleeve to do exactly the same trick next time, without having to actually write/record vocals.

 

And the same people will look at that and somehow see it as a sign that they are going to release a brand new album....

 

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1 minute ago, Rovim said:
5 minutes ago, Pele said:

exactly the same trick

Good insight.

Do you think a full album is imminent, with all new Axl Rose lyrics/vocals?

8 hours ago, gavgnr said:

I think Axl wanted to. Maybe there’s some validity to MSL’s claim that the album was rejected. Which sounds odd as surely any label would jump at the chance of releasing a GnR record.

Maybe the label had caught wind of a potential reunion in the works (or at least being mooted) and decided to play the long game, particularly when you consider the long held belief that the band owes only one more record.

I think there is a strong chance it was rejected as it contained OMG, SIlkworms, Atlas and various re-records of their existing back catalog.

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1 minute ago, Pele said:

Do you think a full album is imminent, with all new Axl Rose lyrics/vocals?

I don't it, any "new" album will be mostly, if not all re-worked CD-era songs. With vocals recoded and touched up from that time to present, or a few years ago.

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8 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I don't it, any "new" album will be mostly, if not all re-worked CD-era songs. With vocals recoded and touched up from that time to present, or a few years ago.

Sadly, all evidence suggests you are right! And I don't mean that in bad way against you! :)

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The black-and-whiteness again. How about a mixture? Half and half, more or less, or at least some proportion? Don't expect all new songs / all new vocals as that's crazy and nothing suggests that; don't expect, however, a solely reworked CD either - cause Slash didn't return to his super famous mother band to just noodle over fucking 20-year old demos recorded by some replacements. Clearly, it needs to be an approach that combines both of these components. 

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10 minutes ago, jamillos said:

The black-and-whiteness again. How about a mixture? Half and half, more or less, or at least some proportion? Don't expect all new songs / all new vocals as that's crazy and nothing suggests that; don't expect, however, a solely reworked CD either - cause Slash didn't return to his super famous mother band to just noodle over fucking 20-year old demos recorded by some replacements. Clearly, it needs to be an approach that combines both of these components. 

Everybody is allowed to share his thoughts and his opinion but nobody knows anything.

There could be 100 users who post the same suggestion but in the end the result can be totally different.

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1 hour ago, Pele said:

We can only speculate, but I firmly believe I'm right here.

Most contracts/guarantees involve promotion.  A boxer can get a guarantee for a fight.  The obligation includes the fight itself, but also a number of press conferences, interviews etc.

Tours are the same.  Most tours come with a series of promotion, chat shows, interviews etc.  

I believe Rose (as always) refused any appearances but did agree to release two 'new' songs as promotion.

Maybe at one time he intended to actually release new songs.  What seemingly transpired is he got Slash and Duff to do new work while he used 20 year old, unreleased demo vocal takes and got his produced to patch them together using pro-tools.

I don't think there is any chance of a new album.

There is a possibility that they've given Perhaps, General, Atlas, OMG the same treatment and can maybe cobble something together, but I don't think they'll bother.

He'll probably just keep Atlas up his sleeve to do exactly the same trick next time, without having to actually write/record vocals.

 

And the same people will look at that and somehow see it as a sign that they are going to release a brand new album....

 

You make a strong argument. And knowing the band’s history with releasing music, you may well be right.

I mean, come on, there’s literally no evidence that a new album is coming. The ‘EP’ seemingly has just been announced in an attempt to stop the fans moaning about the lack of new material. And I’d be willing to bet Axl made that difficult as fuck too 😂

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41 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Everybody is allowed to share his thoughts and his opinion but nobody knows anything.

There could be 100 users who post the same suggestion but in the end the result can be totally different.

True, the only rule is: with GNR, one never knows. If somebody asked a few years ago, guess what their first single will be? How many would have said Silkworms? Plus, how many would have said Silkworms without getting laughed at severely...

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