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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the Village Leaks to be a pretty mundane listening experience. Granted I have only heard some of the instrumentals, of which Zodiac was the only one to really jump out at me, but it's difficult to get overly excited about a Tommy Stinson bass part (no offence Tam) played at +0.5db from August 2003... in 2021. 

For what it's worth (and I accept that is fuck all), up until hearing some of the leaks, I was likely fairly optimistic that Axl had some decent stuff up his back pocket. I was even excited about hearing Atlas Shrugged after reading some of the reviews here. Then I heard it and I vividly remember going "what the actual fuck is this bullshit!" It is 'that' chord change after the verse triggers me here! If that's the smoking gun in his arsenal... then it's about as much use as a limp tadger! That thing ain't firing any glory shots any time soon!

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6 hours ago, Pele said:

If you are still interested, when after 12 years of nothing, their 'new' single is a 20 year old awful throwaway, then it send a clear message they can deliver utter, utter garbage and people will still give them their money.

On the other hand, if you found Absurd to be great fun and Hard Skool to be a great rocker, then getting these songs after 12 years and also knowing additional songs is in the works, is a very great thing. 

There are so many fans who kind of endure the down time of this band, who slog through the years being frustrated about the lack of new music, but still keep on waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, years after years, that eventually the band will release new music. Give me a cent for every time someone here with confidence has stated the band will never release anything ever again, and I'd buy me a soda. Some of these fans have been so very frustrated, so very close to giving up on the band. I feel tremendously happy for them and the fact that they got two new, original songs from GN'R this year and likely will get more next year. I can't really express how happy I am for them and that they are kind of being rewarded for their patience. 

And I get that some fans are unhappy because they didn't like Absurd (just like some fans were unhappy because they didn't like Better, or Ain't it Fun, or You Could Be Mine) and that some fans are unhappy that it won't be Slash songs that are released but rather reworked (and possible improved) Axl songs. I get it. Any individual songs are not for everybody and some fans have waited too long to now suddenly realize they don't care that much after all. That must be a bitter pill to swallow.

Still, GN'R is releasing music again. And that sentence really ought to be capitalized with a large font size. It is exactly what most fans have wanted for so long. It's great.

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26 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the Village Leaks to be a pretty mundane listening experience. Granted I have only heard some of the instrumentals, of which Zodiac was the only one to really jump out at me, but it's difficult to get overly excited about a Tommy Stinson bass part (no offence Tam) played at +0.5db from August 2003... in 2021. 

 

Is that the one that sounds like the Grange Hill theme? Can't remember off hand but I've a feeling it was.

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8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

On the other hand, if you found Absurd to be great fun and Hard Skool to be a great rocker, then getting these songs after 12 years and also knowing additional songs is in the works, is a very great thing. 

There are so many fans who kind of endure the down time of this band, who slog through the years being frustrated about the lack of new music, but still keep on waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, years after years, that eventually the band will release new music. Give me a cent for every time someone here with confidence has stated the band will never release anything ever again, and I'd buy me a soda. Some of these fans have been so very frustrated, so very close to giving up on the band. I feel tremendously happy for them and the fact that they got two new, original songs from GN'R this year and likely will get more next year. I can't really express how happy I am for them and that they are kind of being rewarded for their patience. 

And I get that some fans are unhappy because they didn't like Absurd (just like some fans were unhappy because they didn't like Better, or Ain't it Fun, or You Could Be Mine) and that some fans are unhappy that it won't be Slash songs that are released but rather reworked (and possible improved) Axl songs. I get it. Any individual songs are not for everybody and some fans have waited too long to now suddenly realize they don't care that much after all. That must be a bitter pill to swallow.

Still, GN'R is releasing music again. And that sentence really ought to be capitalized with a large font size. It is exactly what most fans have wanted for so long. It's great.

Jesus man, that's a bit rose tinted for me... sorry. Two songs released 12 years after the last album, which most fans had already heard before... excuse me if I leave the bunting in the cupboard! 😅

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As for the Village leaks. If I take many songs I like and strip away the vocals, I am left with something I wouldn't particularly appreciate. I am not one for instrumentals in general, especially not instrumentals that were written to accompany a vocal melody. Just take the version of Better found on the Village leaks. Is this an instrumental I would have listened to over and over again? Nope. Have I listened to Better from CD over and over again? Yep! So it is kind of easy to fall in the trap of expecting too much from instrumental tracks that are intended to have vocals. Still, there are definitely instrumentals and instrumental parts from the Village leaks that I enjoy as they are, either because they have cool riffs or solos or nice chord changes or arrangements. I absolutely believe that many of these instrumentals could be made into fantastic songs when Axl get to add his vocals to them. Take State of Grace. As as instrumental is it a grinding, slow builder. Add Axl's maniac vocals at the end and it becomes a master piece (in my opinion, of course). Another example is the early version of Shackler's found on the Village leaks. To me it is unbearable :lol: But it was reworked into a proper song that I find to be one of the highlights on CD. Also a song like There Was A Time, which had vocals back then, has been tremendously lifted by the addition of Bucket's solo. Can Slash do something similar? YES.

In short: I see a lot of potential in the Village material and I can't wait to hear how some of these songs have evolved since then and with Slash and Duff's contributions. 

Then there is also a possibility that we get to hear songs that weren't part of the Village sessions. We know the band worked on music after this. This I Love, Prostitute and Scraped are not found on the Village session discs, neither is (likely) The General. What else exists? No one knows. Not even Pele (!). I am hoping we get to hear something we have never heard of before. Regardless, I am so 100% okay with getting Village material in updated versions. Bring it on!

2 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Jesus man, that's a bit rose tinted for me... sorry. Two songs released 12 years after the last album, which most fans had already heard before... excuse me if I leave the bunting in the cupboard! 😅

What do you mean? I am not saying these two songs suddenly make GN'R isn't a prolific band or anything :lol: I am saying that if we can't be happy when the band we are hoping will release music, actually start releasing music - then what is wrong with us?

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32 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

What do you mean? I am not saying these two songs suddenly make GN'R isn't a prolific band or anything :lol: I am saying that if we can't be happy when the band we are hoping will release music, actually start releasing music - then what is wrong with us?

Possibly too little too late for some folk? Plus the quality is not all that great? There's two subjective reasons as to why some fans are just like meh when it comes to new GNR. 

To provide an analogy... Axl is like the boy who cried wolf. He's promised so much, delivered so little, so when he does...

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2 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Possibly too little too late for some folk? Plus the quality is not all that great? There's two subjective reasons as to why some fans are just like meh when it comes to new GNR. 

Of course it is too little, too late...for us all :) That's elementary, But if you are starving in the desert and then find a tiny trickling stream of water and realize it comes from an little oasis further up, then it is time to be happy, isn't it? You are not then going to sulk because you didn't find this water days ago? 

As for people not liking Absurd or Hard Skool. I think I made a point of saying that I get that some people don't like these songs, didn't I? That's entirely fine. Nowhere have I argued that people should be dancing in the streets over these songs. I was talking about the concept of Guns N' Roses releasing new music. Not raving about the qualities of Aburd :lol: Still, even if you don't like these two songs, chances are you might like something that will be released in the future. And if you are confident that you won't, then that's not a big problem either, the world is full of great music and not everybody has to be a fan of GN'R anno 2022. You have already in quite a few posts over the last months pointed out that you aren't and take any opportunity to express your dislike for the released songs and the potential of the Village demos. We get it ;)

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Just release something at this point.  We know it's coming, hard skool and absurd are both proof of that.  I like almost every GnR song I have ever heard.  CD2 might not be the best album ever created but I'm sure it'll be something I at least enjoy. I'm excited for SMKC4 and I'm excited for this too.  Bring on 2022!

 

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15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You have already in quite a few posts over the last months pointed out that you aren't and take any opportunity to express your dislike for the released songs and the potential of the Village demos. We get it ;)

You're clearly not reading properly then sir. Because I've also said I think Hard Skool is a decent track... let down by bad production. Over quite a few posts. In a quite a few weeks. Which I have confidence you will get! 🙂🙃

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4 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

On the other hand, if you found Absurd to be great fun and Hard Skool to be a great rocker, then getting these songs after 12 years and also knowing additional songs is in the works, is a very great thing. 

There are so many fans who kind of endure the down time of this band, who slog through the years being frustrated about the lack of new music, but still keep on waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, waiting and hoping, years after years, that eventually the band will release new music. Give me a cent for every time someone here with confidence has stated the band will never release anything ever again, and I'd buy me a soda. Some of these fans have been so very frustrated, so very close to giving up on the band. I feel tremendously happy for them and the fact that they got two new, original songs from GN'R this year and likely will get more next year. I can't really express how happy I am for them and that they are kind of being rewarded for their patience. 

And I get that some fans are unhappy because they didn't like Absurd (just like some fans were unhappy because they didn't like Better, or Ain't it Fun, or You Could Be Mine) and that some fans are unhappy that it won't be Slash songs that are released but rather reworked (and possible improved) Axl songs. I get it. Any individual songs are not for everybody and some fans have waited too long to now suddenly realize they don't care that much after all. That must be a bitter pill to swallow.

Still, GN'R is releasing music again. And that sentence really ought to be capitalized with a large font size. It is exactly what most fans have wanted for so long. It's great.

Yeah, this is definitely my stance. 

I get the 'too little too late' thing totally (and 2 songs in all these years really is astonishingly poor) but as you say, having slogged through all those years you really do have to see the positives here. 

There are still huge, huge issues of course with the way this band operates compared to every other band in existence but it's been the best period to be a fan in many years for the pure and simple fact that we now have new songs officially released.

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32 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah, this is definitely my stance. 

I get the 'too little too late' thing totally (and 2 songs in all these years really is astonishingly poor) but as you say, having slogged through all those years you really do have to see the positives here. 

There are still huge, huge issues of course with the way this band operates compared to every other band in existence but it's been the best period to be a fan in many years for the pure and simple fact that we now have new songs officially released.

There are huge issues. Personally I don't care about the lack of promotion, lack of interviews (I still haven't finished going through 2010 interviews - I don't need need interviews! :lol:) and basically the lack of doing things like normal bands do - I only care about new music. But there are definitely huge issues in regards to releasing new music, and these issues have been plaguing the band since UYIs. I feel that we are walking on an edge here and that at anytime whatever plans the band have (and I am confident they intend to release new music), could be aborted. We know how fickle Axl is and how much of a victim he is to his insecurities, perfectionism and generally a victim to his own psyche. Small things could turn into large things and suddenly there won't be a new release or it is delayed indefinitely. So regardless of my optimism and positivity, we still have to be realistic that it is GN'R we are talking about. Plans can and usually will be changed, delayed and aborted. It's the nature of this beast.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be happy and cautiously optimistic about the band now explicitly stating they have worked on "lots" of songs and all the signs pointing to new music in 2022, just not get our hopes too high in case things don't happen. After all, we've ben through this lack of song and dance before.

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39 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

There are huge issues. Personally I don't care about the lack of promotion, lack of interviews (I still haven't finished going through 2010 interviews - I don't need need interviews! :lol:) and basically the lack of doing things like normal bands do - I only care about new music. But there are definitely huge issues in regards to releasing new music, and these issues have been plaguing the band since UYIs. I feel that we are walking on an edge here and that at anytime whatever plans the band have (and I am confident they intend to release new music), could be aborted. We know how fickle Axl is and how much of a victim he is to his insecurities, perfectionism and generally a victim to his own psyche. Small things could turn into large things and suddenly there won't be a new release or it is delayed indefinitely. So regardless of my optimism and positivity, we still have to be realistic that it is GN'R we are talking about. Plans can and usually will be changed, delayed and aborted. It's the nature of this beast.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be happy and cautiously optimistic about the band now explicitly stating they have worked on "lots" of songs and all the signs pointing to new music in 2022, just not get our hopes too high in case things don't happen. After all, we've ben through this lack of song and dance before.

100 per cent agree with this. All the lack of promotion, interviews etc is entirely up to them- and only really harms them. If they want to not promote stuff and maximise their opportunity...well, there we go. Seems daft to me but their choice. 

It's all about getting new music out there for me. I suppose I'm a little more pessimistic than you on the idea that we will be getting a new album but I'm less pessimistic than I was before Absurd/HardSkool. It's progress for the first time in all these years. 

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I truly was excited to have them finally play a “new song”.  Although I hate Absurd, Hard Skool is a decent track.  I have the other leaks and only thought HS was worthy of releasing.  I hope I’m wrong and that there is some great stuff in the works, but at this point I am not real hopeful.   I was really hoping this reunion and reconnection with Slash and Duff would have really sparked some creative juices.  For Slash to say they have wasted another 5 years and haven’t written anything new pretty much extinguished any hope of new music.  Sure we may get a few CD leftovers, but this news makes me think there isn’t much left in the tank. 

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26 minutes ago, yourcrazy said:

I truly was excited to have them finally play a “new song”.  Although I hate Absurd, Hard Skool is a decent track.  I have the other leaks and only thought HS was worthy of releasing.  I hope I’m wrong and that there is some great stuff in the works, but at this point I am not real hopeful.   I was really hoping this reunion and reconnection with Slash and Duff would have really sparked some creative juices.  For Slash to say they have wasted another 5 years and haven’t written anything new pretty much extinguished any hope of new music.  Sure we may get a few CD leftovers, but this news makes me think there isn’t much left in the tank. 

Are you me???! 🤣😁😆 Spot on assessment.

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Why are people so fixated on them not doing a lot of promotion? They're not the Backstreet Boys. A lot of bands I listen to barely promote their music compared to some of the more commercial bands. Not everyone is cut out for going on promo tours and talking to journalists for weeks on end and having to go on stupid Late Night shows just to sell your song. They let management or the record company send out a press release, put their song on YT, mention it on their instagram and facebook, and then go out on tour. Let the music do the talking. In the case of GnR, they're still selling out huge venues, so it's not like they have fallen off the radar.

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We'll probably get the album in a year or so, 2 years tops I think. My only hope is that "The General" is on there, that's all that matters to me at this point. State of Grace HAS to be on the album too, I love this song. Everything seems to indicate the tracklist of the next album will be songs from the Chinese Democracy vault. I hope there'll be a deluxe edition with a second disc, with the original instrumental for the songs.

This current situation reminds me a lot of what happened with Bumblefoot & Ashba. They didn't get to create anything with Axl for years. Both Ashba & Bumblefoot made remixes of existing songs, just like Slash has reworked Hard School & Absurd. At least, they finally released those songs officially.

And now Slash is releasing, yet again, his own stuff, just like Ashba & Bumblefoot had their own stuff too. None of these artists can cope with Axl's timing, it's a mutual problem.

I feel Axl needs you to commit 100% to the project, otherwise everything takes forever.

Nobody's really at fault here, they are just different people, struggling to really meet each other & create. It happens.

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1 hour ago, EvanG said:

Why are people so fixated on them not doing a lot of promotion? They're not the Backstreet Boys. A lot of bands I listen to barely promote their music compared to some of the more commercial bands. Not everyone is cut out for going on promo tours and talking to journalists for weeks on end and having to go on stupid Late Night shows just to sell your song. They let management or the record company send out a press release, put their song on YT, mention it on their instagram and facebook, and then go out on tour. Let the music do the talking. In the case of GnR, they're still selling out huge venues, so it's not like they have fallen off the radar.

It's weird what happens with the band on social media. From the GNR account, which has 6 million followers, Hard Skool post on twitter only had 6,000 likes. Axl has 1 million followers on his personal account, he posts anything and has more than 10,000 likes. Axl made no mention of the new releases on his personal Twitter accounts, NOT EVEN THAT MADE IT so simple. He is not interested in any type of dissemination other than what they do on the band's social networks. on the contrary Duff and Slash shared the releases on their social networks

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5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The argument of "they let the music do the talking" is laughable. 

If they're such a high road band, then why this their website filled with incredibly overpriced merch? 

Hey now. Be fair. What could possibly say "we're the most dangerous band in the world, and all we care about is our music" more than a $50 toy truck?!

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1 minute ago, axlslash said:

Hey now. Be fair. What could possibly say "we're the most dangerous band in the world, and all we care about is our music" more than a $50 toy truck?!

But no one says that. That's a totally different argument. The point that was made is that they obviously don't want to go on the promo-train, so they don't. And good for them.

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3 minutes ago, axlslash said:

Hey now. Be fair. What could possibly say "we're the most dangerous band in the world, and all we care about is our music" more than a $50 toy truck?!

You're right, that's my bad 😂 

Right. They don't want to go on the promo train yet they have no problem trying to sell embarrassingly overpriced merch. Makes total sense....only on a GN'R forum. 

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12 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The argument of "they let the music do the talking" is laughable. 

If they're such a high road band, then why this their website filled with incredibly overpriced merch? 

Legend has it, if you listen to Absurd through the GNR laundry bag whilst simultaneously battering the GNR toy truck off your skull repeatedly... it sounds fucking amazing! 

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