The "New Album" Thread . The maybe, possibly, at some point, soon, whenever, wtf Axl thread🤞

[Rovim]

9 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

It's been pretty obvious to me since 2016 that Axl is still set on doing what he has always intended to do. Every interview with Slash has talked about going through Axl's stuff, Axl himself has said he played them stuff that he has and they liked it and would see what they were interested in. It's been rather obvious. 

it gets confusing for me cause most musicians don't do it like that and when Slash and Duff came back what was obvious to me even after the China Exchange interview was that it was likely that Slash will get to be a part of it like he was in the past for the next release cause he's such a big part of what makes it Gn'R. Seems like I was wrong so we'll probably get what Axl had in mind when it comes to artistic vision with the help of everyone that came before Slash has returned but including Slash and Duff and the guitars rerecorded like Absurd and HS.

At least he seems interested in releasing another album and I really liked the direction he was headed towards with Chinese including Absurd and HS personally. What I dislike is getting nothing at all from such a talented musician but in the end I think we'll get the album and it will be CD ll plus Slash and Duff and I'll probably like it cause it seems like it's just going to be a continuation of the first part.

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Rovim

[Pele]

3 hours ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

He didn’t say that though. Read it again. Pele listed the songs *he* thought were worthwhile. He stated that Ezrin suggested something similar (similar being “keep these 2.5 songs,” whichever they were, “and improve the rest.”) which is true.

You guys are just trying to pick a fight now.

Exactly - it was clearly put forward as a hypothetical, but very obvious scenario.

He came with his 13 songs are was likely told 2-3 were good, some were ok, and some weren't worth pursuing - and was advised to finish up the songwriting.

Rose clearly didn't like that and fired him.

[Pele]

55 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think it's possible that Axl sacrificed some of the conventions of what is expected of a musician when it comes to music and making it a snapshot of a specific time in the band's journey in order to reach his own artistic goal which I believe is making sure he'll complete his project which is still Chinese Democracy and that's his first artistic priority.

in a way, looking back on how he assembled it and the approach he chose, it does make sense imo if the plan was to release more. So of course it's old material and I'm not trying to make excuses here cause maybe the band is still a vehicle for delivering the same songs he wanted to release for years and he slowly kept adding new ideas to it and this time it's just with this lineup and sometimes he makes a living by touring and gets sidetracked if it's really worth it for him like AC/DC for example. He also seems to be willing to look back a little with the box sets but on the grand scheme of things it's not the main event.

You give him way too much credit.

IMO - he rarely writes or records, and the majority of what he has written over the last 30 years hasn't been great.

It's really that simple.

[Pele]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

He said "who wouldn't have said..."

But anyway.

By that, I meant any sensible, respected producer will have told him some of these songs are worthwhile and some aren't.

Anyone listening to those 13 completed songs could tell you that wouldn't have lived up to any hype whatsoever.

Most of us will differ slightly on what the track-list could have been, but if Axl has presented the Village Sessions as we got it, and says he wants to mix - I'd have told him (if I was a world renown producer) to come back when he had 11 good songs.

In the end we got a bit of both - he added Better which was worth the wait and a few more, and released an  album with some lovely stuff on it, among some poor efforts.

[Pele]

3 hours ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

With regards to the fifteen studios, that’s an interesting point, but I don’t think fifteen studios necessarily means that there are a ton of other unreleased tunes, necessarily. It’s not like each studio has its own group of songs designated to it. Each band works differently - so Guns N’ Roses might be an exception here - but plenty of bands record albums across multiple studios, but the songs typically remain the same. U2 has famously used multiple studios over the last 25 years, but the songs remained the same. They just carry them from one studio to another.

It’s also important to delineate what constitutes a song here. Is an instrumental song comprised of a few cycles of two riffs by Buckethead, Tommy Stinson, Brain, Pitman and Dizzy considered a song? If so, then I’m sure they have hundreds. But until Axl gets involved, they’re meaningless. It’s been said that he often doesn’t even show up to sessions - he listens to the band’s recordings after the fact and identifies which pieces of music are interesting to him.

That’s why the leaks with vocals are the ones that we’re focused on - because, with the information we have handy, we can reasonably assume that those are the pieces of music Axl was interested in, since he at least laid a vocal track down. Furthermore, to answer your question about Perhaps/Atlas, then the answer is yes: it’s because those are the ones with vocals. If you told me on January 1, 2021 that Guns would be putting out two singles this year, I would have thought it could be anything. Once I heard Absurd and Hard Skool, both with old vocals and now with Slash and Duff, I could reasonably make the deduction that those Village Leaks with completed vocals are the well he’s drawing from.

Which is not to say that Axl won’t record something new someday (I sure hope he will at least). But, with Slash’s comment that the band is spending their time sprucing up CD holdovers, and with Absurd and HS featuring the same vocals available on the leaks, then believing that the next one in the chamber is Perhaps, Atlas, or SoG is a fairly reasonable assumption to make.

I agree with you, in general, on judging the quality of the tracks we’ve heard. I quite like Hard Skool and Absurd, and I think they’re both infinitely better than the leaked versions. My beef with the remaining tunes - and this is just a personal preference - is that I have a disdain for the mid-tempo type of tunes remaining on the leaks. Unless they drastically alter the rhythm sections of the remaining ones, then they probably just won’t be for me. Some people like IRS - I hate it. It’s not a ballad, it’s not super energetic, it’s sort of heavy but not really, it’s just in this sort of sludgy middle ground that I don’t like. Quicksong, Zodiac, SoG, Eye On You remind me of that.

Great post and I agree with it all (except I think Absurd is every bit as bad as the demo and State of Grace is really good).

100% - they had loads of songs, with working titles.  I imagine the vast majority were untouched by Rose.

You said

That’s why the leaks with vocals are the ones that we’re focused on - because, with the information we have handy, we can reasonably assume that those are the pieces of music Axl was interested in, since he at least laid a vocal track down. Furthermore, to answer your question about Perhaps/Atlas, then the answer is yes: it’s because those are the ones with vocals. If you told me on January 1, 2021 that Guns would be putting out two singles this year, I would have thought it could be anything. Once I heard Absurd and Hard Skool, both with old vocals and now with Slash and Duff, I could reasonably make the deduction that those Village Leaks with completed vocals are the well he’s drawing from.

 

I agree completely.  It's clear as day now, that the next single is going to be Atlas/Perhaps because that what he has.  For the exact same reason Silkworms/HardSkool came before.  Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the material he is drawing from and why.

[jamillos]

4 hours ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

With regards to the fifteen studios, that’s an interesting point, but I don’t think fifteen studios necessarily means that there are a ton of other unreleased tunes, necessarily. It’s not like each studio has its own group of songs designated to it. Each band works differently - so Guns N’ Roses might be an exception here - but plenty of bands record albums across multiple studios, but the songs typically remain the same. U2 has famously used multiple studios over the last 25 years, but the songs remained the same. They just carry them from one studio to another.

It’s also important to delineate what constitutes a song here. Is an instrumental song comprised of a few cycles of two riffs by Buckethead, Tommy Stinson, Brain, Pitman and Dizzy considered a song? If so, then I’m sure they have hundreds. But until Axl gets involved, they’re meaningless. It’s been said that he often doesn’t even show up to sessions - he listens to the band’s recordings after the fact and identifies which pieces of music are interesting to him.

That’s why the leaks with vocals are the ones that we’re focused on - because, with the information we have handy, we can reasonably assume that those are the pieces of music Axl was interested in, since he at least laid a vocal track down. Furthermore, to answer your question about Perhaps/Atlas, then the answer is yes: it’s because those are the ones with vocals. If you told me on January 1, 2021 that Guns would be putting out two singles this year, I would have thought it could be anything. Once I heard Absurd and Hard Skool, both with old vocals and now with Slash and Duff, I could reasonably make the deduction that those Village Leaks with completed vocals are the well he’s drawing from.

Which is not to say that Axl won’t record something new someday (I sure hope he will at least). But, with Slash’s comment that the band is spending their time sprucing up CD holdovers, and with Absurd and HS featuring the same vocals available on the leaks, then believing that the next one in the chamber is Perhaps, Atlas, or SoG is a fairly reasonable assumption to make.

I agree with you, in general, on judging the quality of the tracks we’ve heard. I quite like Hard Skool and Absurd, and I think they’re both infinitely better than the leaked versions. My beef with the remaining tunes - and this is just a personal preference - is that I have a disdain for the mid-tempo type of tunes remaining on the leaks. Unless they drastically alter the rhythm sections of the remaining ones, then they probably just won’t be for me. Some people like IRS - I hate it. It’s not a ballad, it’s not super energetic, it’s sort of heavy but not really, it’s just in this sort of sludgy middle ground that I don’t like. Quicksong, Zodiac, SoG, Eye On You remind me of that.

As for the studios, yep, no problem with that. But again, neither does it mean I’d believe they used one for recording and the 14 remaining ones just for sound tinkering. It’s probably somewhere in between, and as Axl said, he’d had an album ready by 2000; therefore, there’d already been more stuff finished than the Village footage that we know.
As for completeness of songs: again, he said “we’re ready for mixing”, i.e. we’re obviously talking about complete songs with the inclusion of vocals. What we’ve heard is what, five, six? There had to be more. Just saying. 
I agree that assuming the next one will be from the same batch is logical. I hope this is not what the whole album will be, though. 

[Pele]

1 hour ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

The pessimist in me, however, worries that these singles are just promotional vehicles for the tour. "Guns N' Roses releases new material" is a headline that'll get a lot of semi-interested clicks on a social media site or news aggregator. I can see many a casual fan clicking the link out of sheer curiosity, seeing tour dates in the body of the article, and then deciding maybe it'd be fun to get a babysitter for the night and going to see Axl, Slash, and Duff play Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child O' Mine. I'm worried that this is more "retirement windfall" and less artistry.

I firmly believe that's exactly what this is.

I've said before, a lot of tour guarantees come with promotional activity inclusive.

IMO, it's extremely likely that Live Nation's guarantee promised them a sum of money in exchange to doing the shows and a fixed amount of media/promotion.  I'd guess he rejected the media/tv appearances/interviews  but agreed to release 'new' songs.  Live Nation likely agreed, and used the timing mid-tour as a jolt in online articles to help promote the remaining dates.

At the time of agreement, Rose likely intended to work on new material, but at some point (as he always, always does) decided to take the path of least resistance and do nothing - instead making his producer record his new band members re-record music over his old demos.

[Pele]

Just now, jamillos said:

As for the studios, yep, no problem with that. But again, neither does it mean I’d believe they used one for recording and the 14 remaining ones just for sound tinkering. It’s probably somewhere in between, and as Axl said, he’d had an album ready by 2000; therefore, there’d already been more stuff finished than the Village footage that we know.
As for completeness of songs: again, he said “we’re ready for mixing”, i.e. we’re obviously talking about complete songs with the inclusion of vocals. What we’ve heard is what, five, six? There had to be more. Just saying. 
I agree that assuming the next one will be from the same batch is logical. I hope this is not what the whole album will be, though. 

This has been addressed before.

He did have the songs to make up an album in 2000.

He had OMG, Madagascar, Chinese, The Blues, IRS, Perhaps, Hardskool, Silkworms, Riad, Atlas, Catcher, Prostitute, If the World (13 songs)

He was told (rightly IMO) that that wasn't strong enough.

 

Remember the story about the label rejecting CD2?

Not sure if that was true, but it's highly likely that if he did actually submit something, it contained OMG, Perhaps, HardSkool, General, OMG, Atlas, Going Down and various covers/remix's and he got told to go away and re-do it again.

 

At that point, he likely 'retired' from recording and started to contemplate the nostalgia tour we see now.

 

 

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

8 minutes ago, jamillos said:

As for the studios, yep, no problem with that. But again, neither does it mean I’d believe they used one for recording and the 14 remaining ones just for sound tinkering. It’s probably somewhere in between, and as Axl said, he’d had an album ready by 2000; therefore, there’d already been more stuff finished than the Village footage that we know.
As for completeness of songs: again, he said “we’re ready for mixing”, i.e. we’re obviously talking about complete songs with the inclusion of vocals. What we’ve heard is what, five, six? There had to be more. Just saying. 
I agree that assuming the next one will be from the same batch is logical. I hope this is not what the whole album will be, though. 

I believe all studios were used for recording. I’m just saying that if “Zodiac” appears on the Village Leaks, it probably exists in some form at Electric Lady in New York as well, rather than a whole new set of songs for the NY studio, etc.

Also, with regards to songs being ready to mix - don’t forget that includes songs that actually made it to CD. So when you factor in the title track, Street of Dreams, Catcher, etc, he absolutely had enough for an album.

[jamillos]

1 minute ago, Pele said:

This has been addressed before.

He did have the songs to make up an album in 2000.

He had OMG, Madagascar, Chinese, The Blues, IRS, Perhaps, Hardskool, Silkworms, Riad, Atlas, Catcher, Prostitute, If the World (13 songs)

He was told (rightly IMO) that that wasn't strong enough.

 

Remember the story about the label rejecting CD2?

Not sure if that was true, but it's highly likely that if he did actually submit something, it contained OMG, Perhaps, HardSkool, General, OMG, Atlas, Going Down and various covers/remix's and he got told to go away and re-do it again.

 

At that point, he likely 'retired' from recording and started to contemplate the nostalgia tour we see now.

 

 

Putting aside this is guesswork - albeit logical - since we don't know which songs there would be... yes but not all these tracks are contained in the vox version on those Village CDs we have, are they. That's my point, there must be other recordings as well. 

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

4 minutes ago, Pele said:

At that point, he likely 'retired' from recording and started to contemplate the nostalgia tour we see now.

Someone refresh my memory - wasn't Chinese Democracy essentially ripped from his hands and force released, for lack of a better term? Thus explaining the odd album artwork, hasty audio edits, lack of promo material, etc.?

After 11+ years of tinkering, to have the label force the album out probably just sapped whatever fight he had in him. In the China Exchange interview, he mentions that he wishes he'd started his own label. I'm sure, at this point, he doesn't feel like arguing with the label anymore. He'll put out what he already has left in the vault and hope that can get him through another 5 years or so of touring.

[jamillos]

3 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

I believe all studios were used for recording. I’m just saying that if “Zodiac” appears on the Village Leaks, it probably exists in some form at Electric Lady in New York as well, rather than a whole new set of songs for the NY studio, etc.

Also, with regards to songs being ready to mix - don’t forget that includes songs that actually made it to CD. So when you factor in the title track, Street of Dreams, Catcher, etc, he absolutely had enough for an album.

You actually have a point there. The thing is, I don't listen to the vocal-less stuff; I never liked it and only played the songs with Axl. I.e. I don't remember too much which songs were in what state any more... 

[Pele]

2 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Putting aside this is guesswork - albeit logical - since we don't know which songs there would be... yes but not all these tracks are contained in the vox version on those Village CDs we have, are they. That's my point, there must be other recordings as well. 

Of course.  It's logical guesswork.

We know for sure he had those 13 songs I listed.  You think he may have had more, I don't.  Either way, the guy who was asked to produce whatever he had said he only had 3 good songs.

All of those tracks DO appear on the Vllage Sessions.

AT some point around 06 - he did some more recording.  He finished off 3 instrumentals from 99 (Better/Shacklers/Sorry), recorded Scraped (why?!) and maybe did TIL.

And thus concluded the album.

[CubanSkies Dummy]

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by CubanSkies Dummy

[AxlRoseCDII]

I love when people post text on the internet with literally no source. 

[CubanSkies Dummy]

1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I love when people post text on the internet with literally no source. 

You will hear of "Perhaps" soon...

[RussTCB]

24 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

It's been a while since we've had a new insider. This should be fun. 

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

36 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

@SoulMonster is this one of those insiders you were telling me about?

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

@SoulMonster is this one of those insiders you were telling me about?

Who knows 

[smokingarthur]

Has to be more fake insider bullshit. There’s no way GNR would release a new album as soon as 2023/2024…

[Pele]

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

Now this is what i call an Insider!!!

[Manfisman]

Well at least we're not talking about the whole "Axl recorded his entire discography in 1999, I know because I'm O'Rei"

 

Feelin' It must be #lit. Melissa background voices rock there!

 

Casino Night Zone was composed on the flying piano. Axl liked it so much that he took the Delorean back to the studio in 99.

[Its Tino]

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

Well well well, the return of Atlas1997pianodemo

[Gordon Comstock]

2 hours ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

@Pele stop this nonsense, please!

"HardSkool" more likely intended to close the new album.

You read it here first!

Possible tracklist for the next "Guns N' Roses" album (2023/2024):

1 - "Roll On 2 U"
2 - "Feelin' It"
3 - "Casino Night Zone"
4 - "Elvis"
5 - "OMG"
6 - "Atlas"
7 - "7"
8 - "Absurd!"
9 - "El Hermano"
10 - "General"
11 - "Perhaps"
12 - "Here Today"
13 - "Riders Out Of Sight"
14 - "Hard Skool"

take this with a pinch of salt. Maybe some songs will be removed.

 

 

What happened to Blue Volcano?

[Lies They Tell]

3 hours ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

3 - "Casino Night Zone"

My cousin's teacher's dog's previous owner who works for Paramount Pictures just told me that this track will be included on the upcoming Sonic The Hedgehog movie. You heard it here first!