The "New Album" Thread . The maybe, possibly, at some point, soon, whenever, wtf Axl thread🤞

[RussTCB]

23 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Of course:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2018/06/27/who-still-buys-cds-and-can-format-survive

Wait.....your source for proof of your claim is that article?

The article states that less than half (41%) of music listeners still listen to CDs. Of that number, about half (53%) are over age 55. On top of that, well less than half of them (18%) actually buy new CDs. 

So, going by the source you're using to back up your "established" claim says that less than 20% of music listeners still buy new CDs, then about half of them that do are older than 55. 

As far as the "success" of the Appetite remaster and / or Shadow, both are debatable but streaming numbers would still turn out to be more successful than physical sales. 

[fabrph5]

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Wait.....your source for proof of your claim is that article?

The article states that less than half (41%) of music listeners still listen to CDs. Of that number, about half (53%) are over age 55. On top of that, well less than half of them (18%) actually buy new CDs. 

So, going by the source you're using to back up your "established" claim says that less than 20% of music listeners still buy new CDs, then about half of them that do are older than 55. 

As far as the "success" of the Appetite remaster and / or Shadow, both are debatable but streaming numbers would still turn out to be more successful than physical sales. 

none of that stuff matters.  All other bands, including past and current members of GnR, keep releasing new music.  GnR are full of excuses that make no sense 

Edited April 16, 2020 by fabrph5

[GNR_RNR]

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Wait.....your source for proof of your claim is that article?

The article states that less than half (41%) of music listeners still listen to CDs. Of that number, about half (53%) are over age 55. Then well less than half of them (18%) actually buy new CDs. 

So, going by the source you're using to back up your "established" claim says that less than 20% of music listeners still buy new CDs, then about half of them that do are older than 55. 

As far as the "success" of the Appetite remaster and / or Shadow, both are debatable but streaming numbers would still turn out to be more successful than physical sales. 

No that was just a quick google. The fact that older people buy physical media at a greater rate is just widely known and catered to by the industry. 

And as GNR's fanbase tends older we'd see larger sales of physical copies that an act that skews towards a younger fanbase. As such it makes no sense to release anything atm as you'd essentially forfeit those sales. 

No one is arguing that streaming makes up the majority of music revenue. GNR does well from it's streaming number tbh.

 

[axljungle]

10 minutes ago, ERNESTORONDON said:

Same 😂

Another naive man here 🙋🏼‍♂️😂

[Voodoochild]

9 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

I didn't say the US figures weren't relevant. Just that they only show a certain view of the data (as these UK figures also show). It is a widely acknowledged fact that older people buy physical media in greater numbers than their younger counterparts.

Yes but Pearl Jam didn't need to postpone, they were pretty much assured album success based on their available data. While for Fiona Apple it doesn't really matter if she releases the album or not her numbers are hardly huge. 

A new GNR record with Slash would most likely do better than CD. But they have no data for that, however the remaster has probably allowed them to build an rough idea of what a new album would do and what they'd be aiming for.

And as for bad albums tainting a bands image. That's why albums get shelved and most likely why CDII was rejected by the label in 2010.

 

 

1 minute ago, GNR_RNR said:

No that was just a quick google. The fact that older people buy physical media at a greater rate is just widely known and catered to by the industry. 

And as GNR's fanbase tends older we'd see larger sales of physical copies that an act that skews towards a younger fanbase. As such it makes no sense to release anything atm as you'd essentially forfeit those sales. 

No one is arguing that streaming makes up the majority of music revenue. GNR does well from it's streaming number tbh.

 

You keep saying "widely known" but the very same source you googled says otherwise. 

I mentioned Fiona Apple because it's an artist I love, and of course she's not as popular as GNR. But she does have influence, as her new release deserved an extended New Yorker profile and high profile coverage. In a sense, she's relevant. 

The AFD remaster doesn't matter in this context. It's like saying the Greatest Hits would guarantee that Chinese Democracy would be a success. 

We don't really know if this story about CD 2 happened, right? AFIK, this is just a rumor. And even if it's true, again, this was a totally different context - no Slash and Duff.

[GNR_RNR]

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Which is exactly the point. 

 

Is that even relevant?

[RussTCB]

4 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

No that was just a quick google. The fact that older people buy physical media at a greater rate is just widely known and catered to by the industry. 

And as GNR's fanbase tends older we'd see larger sales of physical copies that an act that skews towards a younger fanbase. As such it makes no sense to release anything atm as you'd essentially forfeit those sales. 

No one is arguing that streaming makes up the majority of music revenue. GNR does well from it's streaming number tbh.

Again, without actual sources it's not a "fact that older people buy physical media at greater rate" and its certainly not "widely known", seeing as it isn't true. 

We wouldn't just automatically see a larger number of physical sales, as already proven by the article you posted which was supposed to back your claim. The article ended up showing that older fans who purchase physical media account for an incredibly small of amount. 

And of course GNR do well with their streaming numbers because 1) most people consume music via streaming these days and 2) GNR is a very popular band.

Age and physical media have nothing to do with GN'R not releasing an album. Their continued lack of productivity and refusal to give their fans music to buy is the actual culprit. 

2 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Is that even relevant?

Yes, the fact that GNR will use any excuse to not release new music is extremely relevant to the conversation. 

[Sydney Fan]

3 hours ago, WildStar said:

Good man, so do I. 

I can't see why a music fan wouldn't buy physical music. It's £10 for a lifetime of music. You could get a shit burger or 2 bad pints for that and no one would even complain. 

Yep,  made me remember. If the band released the remastered AFD on a cassette, then i think CDs and vinyl are here to stay. 

[Kranich]

Oh boi maybe we will get something before 200

[GNR_RNR]

32 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

 

You keep saying "widely known" but the very same source you googled says otherwise. 

I mentioned Fiona Apple because it's an artist I love, and of course she's not as popular as GNR. But she does have influence, as her new release deserved an extended New Yorker profile and high profile coverage. In a sense, she's relevant. 

The AFD remaster doesn't matter in this context. It's like saying the Greatest Hits would guarantee that Chinese Democracy would be a success. 

We don't really know if this story about CD 2 happened, right? AFIK, this is just a rumor. And even if it's true, again, this was a totally different context - no Slash and Duff.

No it doesn't? Did you even read it? Should also add it's CD only, so something to take into consideration.

She's relevant at her level but that not really comparable to GNR in terms of album rollout.

Of course the remaster is something to take on board, not that it gives us a concrete impression of how a new record would do, but it gives us an idea of what modern GNR would be capable of. Top 10 album, singles peaking top 5/ top 10 on rock charts. That's not to say they would do that but that would be the projected success expected by the label.

Assuming the 2010 rumour yes it's a different kettle of fish with Slash back. I could see universal shutting down a record to protect ticket sales. Many tour have been sunk by a poor accompanying album (Katy Perry and Witness springs to mind).

 

29 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Again, without actual sources it's not a "fact that older people buy physical media at greater rate" and its certainly not "widely known", seeing as it isn't true. 

We wouldn't just automatically see a larger number of physical sales, as already proven by the article you posted which was supposed to back your claim. The article ended up showing that older fans who purchase physical media account for an incredibly small of amount. 

And of course GNR do well with their streaming numbers because 1) most people consume music via streaming these days and 2) GNR is a very popular band.

Age and physical media have nothing to do with GN'R not releasing an album. Their continued lack of productivity and refusal to give their fans music to buy is the actual culprit. 

Already provided a source for this, feel free to disagree with it or provide a source to the contrary.

Going off of the RIAA report (and assuming it holds true for the majority of the world) then 20% of sales revenue can be attributed to physical sales. Why on earth would the label green light an album launch set to give up that money?

[sl4yer]

Just now, Kranich said:

Oh boi maybe we will get something before 200

...something like GNR yoyo

[allwaystired]

3 hours ago, WildStar said:

Good man, so do I. 

I can't see why a music fan wouldn't buy physical music. It's £10 for a lifetime of music. You could get a shit burger or 2 bad pints for that and no one would even complain. 

Yep - a million times this. I couldn't possibly agree more.

The music in the best possible quality available, well presented, and something to keep forever...absolutely it's going to be the way I consume music. I love going through my collection and rediscovering, looking at sleeve notes, appreciating the albums for what they are etc etc. If I like something, I'm going to buy it, for so so many reasons. 

But all this is just a debate about formats.....I don't think it really has any bearing whatsoever on new GNR music. If any of it was to come it would be made available physically and digitally, like every other release that occurs. 

The issue is, as ever, that there is no new material coming. If there were ANY plans to release even one song, those plans would undoubtedly have gone ahead.....not least for the reason that some sort of campaign of promotion would already be in place that would require many different agencies, and would be virtually impossible to put a complete final and sudden halt to. 

We're all dreaming if we think the brakes have been thrown on anything by coronavirus.  

9 minutes ago, sl4yer said:

...something like GNR yoyo

You've had that already. 

Sit still and wait for your GNR flowerpot......

[RussTCB]

15 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Already provided a source for this, feel free to disagree with it or provide a source to the contrary.

Going off of the RIAA report (and assuming it holds true for the majority of the world) then 20% of sales revenue can be attributed to physical sales. Why on earth would the label green light an album launch set to give up that money?

You said it's a "fact" that physical sales make up a large amount of music listening. You also said that the majority of GNR fans are older and older fans buy more physical media.

Your own source already proved you wrong. Here's the recap again:

 

The article states that less than half (41%) of music listeners still listen to CDs. Of that number, about half (53%) are over age 55. On top of that, well less than half of them (18%) actually buy new CDs. 

So, going by the source you're using to back up your "established" claim says that less than 20% of music listeners still buy new CDs, then about half of them that do are older than 55. 

 

So, by your own source only 1 in 5 albums are purchased on the CD format. Then 2.5 of those are purchased by someone over 55. So, as previously stated, it's not a matter of disagreeing with something, your own source proved you wrong. 

[GNR_RNR]

27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You said it's a "fact" that physical sales make up a large amount of music listening. You also said that the majority of GNR fans are older and older fans buy more physical media.

Yes, going by the RIAA report roughly 20% of music revenue is due to physical media. GNR's fans absolutely tend older and as per the survey that means a larger chunk are open to buying physical media. Don't really know why you seem to think otherwise?

 

27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The article states that less than half (41%) of music listeners still listen to CDs. Of that number, about half (53%) are over age 55. On top of that, well less than half of them (18%) actually buy new CDs. 

Yes 41% of listeners use CD's. That a huge percentage.

Many GNR fans will be over 55.

And you misunderstand the 18% figure. That refers to people who frequently purchase new CD's every week.

27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

So, going by the source you're using to back up your "established" claim says that less than 20% of music listeners still buy new CDs, then about half of them that do are older than 55. 

See above point for why you're wrong here.

27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

So, by your own source only 1 in 5 albums are purchased on the CD format. Then 2.5 of those are purchased by someone over 55. So, as previously stated, it's not a matter of disagreeing with something, your own source proved you wrong. 

I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

As it stands GNR fans tend older and as such are more likely to purchase physical media.

From that you can assume that more than 20% of the albums revenue would be based on physical sales, again why would they green light an album rollout during a time that would essentially through away 20%+ of revenue?  

[Sweersa]

While physical sales (CD, vinyl, tape, etc.) are not a majority of the medium by which new music is consumed, it is still considerable, even if it is indeed 15% or whatever. That's still a lot of money.

[RussTCB]

11 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Yes, going by the RIAA report roughly 20% of music revenue is due to physical media. GNR's fans absolutely tend older and as per the survey that means a larger chunk are open to buying physical media. Don't really know why you seem to think otherwise?

 

Yes 41% of listeners use CD's. That a huge percentage.

Many GNR fans will be over 55.

And you misunderstand the 18% figure. That refers to people who frequently purchase new CD's every week.

See above point for why you're wrong here.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

As it stands GNR fans tend older and as such are more likely to purchase physical media.

From that you can assume that more than 20% of the albums revenue would be based on physical sales, again why would they green light an album rollout during a time that would essentially through away 20%+ of revenue?  

I'm not misunderstanding anything. We're talking about people who would buy a new album. So the 18% figure is exactly the one to point out. 

Less than half of people (43%) listen to music on CD and then less than half of them (18%) buy new CDs. 

So using physical media as an excuse for GNR not to release a new album is completely invalid because that would mean they're focus on less than 10% of the overall music listening public as opposed to the other 90% 

7 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

While physical sales (CD, vinyl, tape, etc.) are not a majority of the medium by which new music is consumed, it is still considerable, even if it is indeed 15% or whatever. That's still a lot of money.

It's not a matter of it being the majority, it's a matter of it being minuscule. See the above breakdown. 

[Gordon Comstock]

...how is this an argument?

Obviously people still buy CD's, but streaming is absolutely the more popular way to listen to music.

Record stores being closed probably won't have a huge effect on sales. Amazon sells tons of CD's and records. If they release an album, you can buy the CD on GNR's website. The excuses are pathetic, honestly.

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

...how is this an argument?

Obviously people still buy CD's, but streaming is absolutely the more popular way to listen to music.

Record stores being closed probably won't have a huge effect on sales. Amazon sells tons of CD's and records. If they release an album, you can buy the CD on GNR's website. The excuses are pathetic, honestly.

What's funny is that I didn't even realize how incredibly small the percentage of music listeners who buy new CDs is until the source was given that totally proved my point more than I even meant to lol. 

[GNR_RNR]

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm not misunderstanding anything. We're talking about people who would buy a new album. So the 18% figure is exactly the one to point out. 

Less than half of people (43%) listen to music on CD and then less than half of them (18%) buy new CDs. 

So using physical media as an excuse for GNR not to release a new album is completely invalid because that would mean they're focus on less than 10% of the overall music listening public as opposed to the other 90% 

No, you've once again misunderstood (or wilfully tried to misrepresent) the data.

As explained the 18% figure represents those who buy new CD's each month. That doesn't mean they don't buy any new ones as you seemed to incorrectly think.

And you seem to think that ignoring 20% of music revenue (undoubtedly more due to the older fanbase of GNR as already established multiple times) is a wise move. 

Again why would GNR and their label release an album and wilfully discard huge sums of money? It doesn't make sense.

GNR aren't some young pop band anymore.

[Stay.Of.Execution]

Everytime i see this thread being hot and then coming here and seeing these discussions, a part of me dies

[GNR_RNR]

5 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

...how is this an argument?

Obviously people still buy CD's, but streaming is absolutely the more popular way to listen to music.

Record stores being closed probably won't have a huge effect on sales. Amazon sells tons of CD's and records. If they release an album, you can buy the CD on GNR's website. The excuses are pathetic, honestly.

You also seem to misunderstand the market.

That's fine, read back for explanation as to why it makes sense to delay any record.

Now were GNR planning a full album launch? Realistically no.

[ZODIAC]

5 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

Everytime i see this thread being hot and then coming here and seeing these discussions, a part of me dies

Same here...🤦‍♂️😁

[RussTCB]

6 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

No, you've once again misunderstood (or wilfully tried to misrepresent) the data.

As explained the 18% figure represents those who buy new CD's each month. That doesn't mean they don't buy any new ones as you seemed to incorrectly think.

And you seem to think that ignoring 20% of music revenue (undoubtedly more due to the older fanbase of GNR as already established multiple times) is a wise move. 

Again why would GNR and their label release an album and wilfully discard huge sums of money? It doesn't make sense.

GNR aren't some young pop band anymore.

Lol, what? Again, there's nothing to misunderstand or misrepresent. It's not what I think, it's what the source you provided proved. 

Acoording to the article you posted, only 18% of new music listeners buy new CDs. There's no other way to understand that. That's exactly whag the article says. Then it goes on to say that about half of that 18% are 55 and older. 

So, again, by your own source, GN'R would not be discarding anything near a "huge amount of money" by not using an incredibly small amount of the music listening public as an excuse to not release an album. 

9 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

Everytime i see this thread being hot and then coming here and seeing these discussions, a part of me dies

 

2 minutes ago, ZODIAC said:

Same here...🤦‍♂️😁

Totally my fault here. I just don't like to see people float their opinion or reasoning as "fact", so I always engage these discussions. 

[Gordon Comstock]

1 minute ago, GNR_RNR said:

You also seem to misunderstand the market.

That's fine, read back for explanation as to why it makes sense to delay any record.

Now were GNR planning a full album launch? Realistically no.

 

Can you provide a source for the "established fact" that GNR's older demographic will buy physical media? Because judging from the 5 NITL shows I went to, their demographic ranges from age 20-50, which is a demographic that heavily leans towards streaming.

How many CD's and records are still sold in stores? I'd bet that a large percentage of those sales come from online retailers, so again, record stores being closed is no excuse.

The only reason that they can't release an album now is because they haven't got an album to release.

[ZODIAC]

5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Lol, what? Again, there's nothing to misunderstand or misrepresent. It's not what I think, it's what the source you provided proved. 

Acoording to the article you posted, only 18% of new music listeners buy new CDs. There's no other way to understand that. That's exactly whag the article says. Then it goes on to say that about half of that 18% are 55 and older. 

So, again, by your own source, GN'R would not be discarding anything near a "huge amount of money" by not using an incredibly small amount of the music listening public as an excuse to not release an album. 

 

Totally my fault here. I just don't like to see people float their opinion or reasoning as "fact", so I always engage these discussions. 

😂 No offense. Keep the discussion alive, Russ!