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Dec. 17, 1989: Axl and Izzy play with the Stones, Trump is watching the show "like a Roman emperor"


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Very cool read - thanks dude!  Sad to read that Izzy and Axl were in awe and thinking this is how amazing Guns N’ Roses could be in ten years time... or not. 

And a bit harsh that the newspaper states that the Stones are geriatric when they were only in the late 40’s !

i must be geriatric too 🤪

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Keith Richards threatened the promoter with a knife if he didn’t get Trump out of the building before the Stones preformed that night. Axls lucky Keef didn’t pull the blade on him!!

Why oh why did they not pick Let it Bleed, All down the line... Axl and Mick on Gimmie Shelter or Dead Flowers... Man there’s a million tunes I wish they’d done.

 

Id have made the Stones do Jigsaw Puzzle myself....
 

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46 minutes ago, Nice Boy said:

I've long thought the Salt of the Earth performance was the highlight of Axl's career.

Not just because performing with the Stones was clearly a "we've made it" moment, but his actual vocal performance is one of his best ever.

When the song starts, Keith opens with his vocal. It's less than average, just a bloke singing. Then Jagger chimes in, and it's marginally better with more projection and force, but sounds more like a shout than singing. Then Axl sings, and it is astonishing. He has the rasp of a classic blues singer and astonishing control. The sheer range he shoes throughout the whole song is amazing, and dances his ass off the whole time. He totally steals the show! 

 

i couldn't agree more for anyone growing up during that year, being a teenager or whatever and casually interested in rock music, knew that GNR were now the real deal during that show - many people taped it and would specifically watch that performance 

 

also i was in the hard rock in london and axl's skeleton jacket from that show is behind glass there, very iconic

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16 hours ago, DownUnderScott said:

Very cool read - thanks dude!  Sad to read that Izzy and Axl were in awe and thinking this is how amazing Guns N’ Roses could be in ten years time... or not. 

And a bit harsh that the newspaper states that the Stones are geriatric when they were only in the late 40’s !

i must be geriatric too 🤪

There was a lot of that talk amongst the press, disc jockeys kind of making fun of them for being so OLD!!  Little did they know the Stones would still be here 30 years later.

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On 12/19/2019 at 1:52 PM, Blackstar said:

"Billionaire Donald Trump, who is spending the next few days in Atlantic City, was at last nights show, perched like a Roman emperor on a broad balcony overlooking the stage, surrounded by an entourage that included movers, shakers and three women in short, short skirts."

That was the first of the three Stones shows in Atlantic City Axl and Izzy guested at (the second show, on Dec. 19, was the pay-per-view one).

Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino accommodated the pre-show parties (as well as the Stones “yuppie crowd”):

"As part of its contractual agreement with the group, Trump Plaza had to deal off the entire West Hall in the Convention Center, an area that can seat up to 7,000 for events, to create a kind of Christmas-theme compound.

Before the pay-per-view show, the Stones held a press conference:

...Next, somebody wanted to know how the Stones could justify having Axl Rose in the show, given Rose’s offensive remarks in the past about gays and blacks.

Jagger grabbed this one, quick.

“Because we want to appeal more to the gay/black market,” he said, with apparent sarcasm.
 

The full article in the Philadelphia Inquirer, December 18, 1989:

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Exact transcript of the quote in the Stones' press conference from an MTV news report:

Journalist: Why have Guns N’ Roses when there’s been so much controversy over their lyrics with references to blacks, and homosexuals, and immigrants?

 Mick Jagger: Because we want to appeal more to the gay/black market.

(Laughter)

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3599-1989-12-17-mtv-news-report-axl-izzy-slash

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A couple more facts about those shows: 

- Axl was late for soundcheck.

- It was the last time Izzy had a drink. 

- Alan Niven says he was the one who picked Salt of the Earth, since Axl and Izzy couldn't decide which Stones song to pick.

The idea was simply that Axl and Izzy would come up onstage and join the Stones for one number. When the Stones’ office sent word that Axl and Izzy could pick which Stones song they would like to help sing and play, neither of them knew what to say. ‘I dunno,’ Axl told Niven. ‘There’s so many. How do you pick one? Ask Iz.’ ‘Tell the Stones what to play? I dunno,’ echoed Izzy when Niven called for his input. Niven decided to take the matter in hand and choose for them. ‘I called Jagger’s office and told them they would just love to perform “Salt of the Earth”. Apparently that threw everyone into a bit of a tizzy since the band had never played the song live before. But I could not think of a more relevant statement, or a better treat for Stones fans, of which I was still one.’  [Mick Wall, Last of the Giants, 2016]

The last time he took a drink was a special night for Izzy, because it was the night he and Axl lived out their mutual childhood fantasy of performing a song on-stage with their quintessential bad-assed heroes, The Rolling Stones. Both parties learned something from the collaboration. Izzy and Axl learned "so much. It gave us both an incredible insight into what our band could be like in ten years time - if were still alive, that is." The Stones learned the addresses of several good tattoo parlors, and experienced the potential heart failure of working with Axl Rose. "The Stones were asking me: 'Which song are you doing?' We'd chosen 'Salt of the Earth'. Nobody knew it! And I'm thinking: 'Fuck, you guys wrote it over 20 years ago! You must remember some of it!' So we go back in this little trailer and Mick Jagger's got a tape-player and he's listening to it, with the lyrics written on a piece of paper in front of him. And I'm sitting there playing acoustic guitar with Keith Richards and I'm thinking 'This is sooo cool!' 'Cos we're playing it thru' and Charlie and Bill Wyman are sitting there, listening to it. And I'm just flipping out, thinking 'God, this is sooo wild!' Finally we finished the song. They all turned to me and said: 'So where's your singer?' And I didn't have an answer! Axl was late again. Real late." [Vox, October 1991]
 

...as Alan Niven would chokingly recall: ‘In Atlantic City, Axl was late to arrive to the hotel, late for rehearsal and late for the stage. He ordered me to go tell the Stones he would be present for rehearsal an hour or so later than scheduled. When he told me to do that, it was literally, “You’re fucking joking, Axl. Get in the shower. I’ll wait in my room.”’ Knowing that would hardly work, ‘I prevailed on Izzy to go to the rehearsal and buy Axl a few minutes while he composed himself.’ But when a forlorn Izzy sidled up onstage at the sound check, Keith Richards let him have it. ‘Where’s your fucking singer?’ Izzy mumbled an apology. Then did his best to fill in for as long as he could as the band worked their way fitfully through the unfamiliar ‘Salt of the Earth’. When Axl showed up an hour later, Keith confronted him. [Mick Wall, Last of the Giants, 2016]

DOUG GOLDSTEIN: Axl left some of the best of 'em waiting. He left the Rolling Stones waiting for a sound check. In late '89, Niven took Axl to do a pay-per­view show in Atlantic City and he kept banging on Axl's door. Axl said, "The longer you pound, the longer I'm gonna take." Two hours later, Axl walks onstage and Mick Jagger is staring at him. And Keith Richards says, "I slept inside of a chandelier last night. What's your excuse?" [Craig Marks and Rob Tannenbaum, I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution, 2011]

But Alan Niven wasn’t around to see that. Axl had been so furious with his refusal to tell Jagger and Richards they would have to wait for him, he had effectively banned his own manager from the show. Niven, equally furious, was happy to leave. He says that ‘a very embarrassed Brian Ahern came to the room and told me, “I hate to tell you this, but Axl says he’s not going to go to rehearsal unless you’re out of the building.” I went, “Fine.” I wrote a little note to Axl telling him he was behaving really badly. He had good people who cared about and loved him. Then I went home and did what everybody else was gonna do and watched it in the comfort of my own home on pay-per-view.’  [Mick Wall, Last of the Giants, 2016]

 

niven is the best story teller of anyone that was involved with guns along with izzy in the tid bits he's done 

what a great story it's like the antithesis of axl vs mick 

nobody had the balls to tell mick axl was gonna be late 

and axl had the balls to show up at the last second and destroy everyone with his performance 

in the end it worked b/c had mick known the pompous notification prior he may have just ended gnr's career with forbidding them to hit the stage 

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On 12/21/2019 at 7:59 AM, JONEZY said:

There was a lot of that talk amongst the press, disc jockeys kind of making fun of them for being so OLD!!  Little did they know the Stones would still be here 30 years later.

Exactly! and what a stellar career they have had. The Stones are in the conversation when it comes to the best band ever. Sadly GnR are not even close to being in that discussion.

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Neat read. A few thoughts.

- I wonder if that Christmas themed area was where Axl got the idea for the theme parties?

- As if Izzy could get any cooler, his last drink is with the Stones. Maybe Keefs bday?

- I cannot picture the Stones playing video games.

- Its interesting to me the way the paper discusses the staging. The details given are as though the average reader wouldnt be expected to have ever seen anything like it. And especially it stands out to me when they wrote "The stage, which has followed them throughout their tour, was a vast contraption..." Did bands used to not tour with their own stages? Surely not as late as 1989? 

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8 hours ago, soon said:

Neat read. A few thoughts.

- I wonder if that Christmas themed area was where Axl got the idea for the theme parties?

- As if Izzy could get any cooler, his last drink is with the Stones. Maybe Keefs bday?

- I cannot picture the Stones playing video games.

- Its interesting to me the way the paper discusses the staging. The details given are as though the average reader wouldnt be expected to have ever seen anything like it. And especially it stands out to me when they wrote "The stage, which has followed them throughout their tour, was a vast contraption..." Did bands used to not tour with their own stages? Surely not as late as 1989? 

I assume they were just taking about the sheer size, bands used their own staging prior but nothing that huge.

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9 minutes ago, djones1225 said:

They could've been if the Appetite line up stayed together.

Nobody can truly make a claim of best band ever. GNR can easily be counted as one of the best rock bands ever. Stones, Zep, Metallica, GNR, maybe Aerosmith and AC/DC. Other bands like U2 and Queen are more diverse than just RnR.

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On 12/22/2019 at 3:09 PM, soon said:

- I wonder if that Christmas themed area was where Axl got the idea for the theme parties?

Axl definitely got the idea from the Stones - it is mentioned in Slash's book, too, iirc.

Basically Axl lifted a lot of ideas for the UYI tour (especially 1992) from the Stones: the backup singers, the parties, the pay-per-view. And generally, on how GnR should be run, as he observed how Jagger run the Stones business.

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6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Axl definitely got the idea from the Stones - it is mentioned in Slash's book, too, iirc.

Basically Axl lifted a lot of ideas for the UYI tour (especially 1992) from the Stones: the backup singers, the parties, the pay-per-view. And generally, on how GnR should be run, as he observed how Jagger run the Stones business.

I think he lifted the teleprompter too.  Axl was like, "That's a good idea".

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