L' Arc 2010

Amir · February 25, 2020

6 hours ago, Arnuld said:

L’ARC was the day after Bercy correct? Because I was in Paris for the Bercy show and caught a flight the next morning to go home. And I remember being upset I couldn’t go to L’ARC. Do I have the timeline right?

Yeah, Bercy was 13th though L'Arc technically ended up being the 15th when they finally hit the stage at 1am I had a flight to Geneva just a few hours later. I remember I spent only about £80 for London -> Paris -> Geneva -> London flights and was couchsurfing so I didn't pay anything for accomodation. Tickets were only about £40-50, I spent so much less on going to gigs in 2010 than I would in 2020 where I'd have to spend £90+ just for a concert ticket :/

themadcaplaughs · February 25, 2020

14 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Yea it's crazy that the best vocals from the CD-era weren't actually on the album, they were on Angel Down and a remix track.

The seemingly effortless rasp, the charisma, the anger, the unpredictability... 2010 was really the last year of 'classic' Axl Rose. The guy tried to punch a paparazzi photographer at an airport, tried to cancel his tour on twitter, had several incidents during live shows, and he was still the best frontman on the the planet. But he's older and wider now so it's not surprising that he isn't as good as he used to be

Forgot about the paparazzi incident. I remember everyone watching the video to see if Axl still had the corn rows or not. We had literally seen zero pictures of him since he left stage at the last show in 2007. I feel like even now there are the occasional photographs of him out and about between tours.

jamillos · February 25, 2020

15 minutes ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Forgot about the paparazzi incident. I remember everyone watching the video to see if Axl still had the corn rows or not. We had literally seen zero pictures of him since he left stage at the last show in 2007. I feel like even now there are the occasional photographs of him out and about between tours.

Yeah, the incident happened towards the end of 2009. I remember thinking something like "good ole Axl is back!" Also, there was an Axl pic from Bach's studio, recording of his solo CD in 2007.

YOUCOULDBEMINE. · February 25, 2020

I still hear him calling Beta his mom.

Arnuld · February 26, 2020

15 hours ago, Amir said:

Yeah, Bercy was 13th though L'Arc technically ended up being the 15th when they finally hit the stage at 1am I had a flight to Geneva just a few hours later. I remember I spent only about £80 for London -> Paris -> Geneva -> London flights and was couchsurfing so I didn't pay anything for accomodation. Tickets were only about £40-50, I spent so much less on going to gigs in 2010 than I would in 2020 where I'd have to spend £90+ just for a concert ticket :/

That’s what I thought. I caught my flight home the morning after Bercy. Did you miss train after the show? The showed ended at like 1150 and we were strolling to the train start and a bunch of people came running past us. And my wife was like why are all these people running? We found out 2 mins later when we just barely missed the last train. We ended up walking around for over an hour before we finally found a cab.

Powderfinger · February 26, 2020

On 2020-02-22 at 12:05 PM, Pedrolg said:

YCBM for instance is a great example. In Arnheim, Budapest or Dublin Axl gave monstrous, full on rasp versions of it. By Abu Dhabi he was already full mickey on it. There are other songs where the fall is apparent (Better, RQ), but YCBM is the clearest one.

In Dublin he was stood still singing it. Better sounding gig after he came back from his fit. He sounded good just standing band singing the tunes. Rocket Queen was brilliant that night in Dublin also.

I’d just started a new job and hit home from the O2 after the gig at 4am to be up at 6:30am again for work. Prick. :lol:

Though it was all worth it just for Axl’s Wikipedia page update that night..... And I snagged a setlist.

avahland · December 26, 2020

On 2/25/2020 at 1:41 AM, YOUCOULDBEMINE. said:

I went to the Arnhem show, that's the best I heard Axl do live. He was on fire that night. Spent half of the raspy part of Don't Cry trying to get a piece of gum from under his shoe without losing a note or going Mickey.

Where'd that guy go, and where was he when CD was recorded

Also for me the best show I saw....downloading as we speak.....and then going back to Axl saying "Thanks for the memories" when he removed the gum.
Waited 10 years to see it again and this Christmas the miracle happened !

Thanks to all who contributed....and ofcourse a big thanks for the special one.

Gordon Comstock · December 26, 2020

On 2/21/2020 at 12:48 AM, Dean said:

You Could Be Mine, You're Crazy, Paradise City and Catcher all the big highlights.

Paradise City especially, this intro is really cool. https://streamable.com/vc3qok

Dean · December 26, 2020

48 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Paradise City especially, this intro is really cool. https://streamable.com/vc3qok

I seem to remember Fernando raving on about it...and hoping no one would upload it.

Gordon Comstock · December 26, 2020

13 minutes ago, Dean said:

I seem to remember Fernando raving on about it...and hoping no one would upload it.

Yea it was 'just an experiment' or something lol.

@Fernando

avahland · December 26, 2020

....and now it's time for the private gig in Vienna 2010.

mikeman5150 · December 26, 2020

Is this whole show out there somewhere?

ZODIAC · December 27, 2020

13 hours ago, avahland said:

....and now it's time for the private gig in Vienna 2010.

Incl. aftershow Party...

BangoSkank · December 27, 2020

On 2/20/2020 at 5:11 PM, t-p-d-a said:

I'm still wonder what happened between Abu Dhabi 2010 and Rock In Rio 2011

Honestly, same. I'm so genuinely curious what changed.

NachoLZ · December 27, 2020

On 2/21/2020 at 6:04 AM, Dean said:

I think he changed his technique, I assume he burnt himself out by the end of the 2010 tour and maybe felt that he was at a standstill career wise - this is all assuming we take the hearsay as fact. The label supposedly rejecting a follow up album, DJ Ashba to be fired from the band and then the band to be dissolved and then the whole fiasco in Abu Dhabi which was supposedly going to lead to more firings. The chat back then was that he was going through the motions at the shows, I dunno if I agree with that, but the shows did seem like a routine. We were hoping for new music to be debuted at Rio 2011, but what we got was the opposite. More or less the sign of what was to come for the next 3 years until that era came to an end.

I still prefer Axl's singing in 2016 though, especially the North America run, to the way he was chanting back in 2010. That may seem mental to some, but he had the right balance of rasp and clean, plus his clean voice had more power than it did from 2011/14.

I also hope that a new album will get his arse back in gear and he'll be wanting to fire on all cylinders to promote fuck out of it with some sensational chanting.

Can you explain that part of " DJ Ashba to be fired from the band and then the band to be dissolved" pls

Gordon Comstock · December 27, 2020

11 minutes ago, NachoLZ said:

Can you explain that part of " DJ Ashba to be fired from the band and then the band to be dissolved" pls

It was in the MSL "list of documents" thing 8 or so years ago... when MSL got OMG, Silkworms, Going Down and the remixes, he got a bunch of internal files/emails too, stuff like "DJ Ashba to be fired and sued", "Axl complaining about Dr Dre", Honour Of Theives II (Axls autobio) etc.

edit: here's the list of documents

001. Sheng Tang Music Festival PDF

002. DJ Ashba's contract

003. June 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR

004. December 2009 Axl email dissolving GNR

005. Doc's 2011 plan powerpoint

006. Better_Gone.mp3

007. January 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks

008. November 2010 Axl email bitching about Bumblefoot

009. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 1)

010. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 2)

011. Chinese Democracy band member payments and recoupment

012. Chinese Democracy band producer charts

013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre

014. October 2009 Axl email to Bumblefoot about Duff rejoining

015. December 2009 Brain email submitting Better remix to Fernando

016. Better video treatment v1

017. Chinese Democracy World Tour Income & Expenses

018. 2009 Band Rehearsal Expenses

019. Tour Income & Expense Summary Production rehearsals (11/09)

020. Chinese Democracy video treatmeant

021. 2010 Europe Leg #2 Budget Summary

022. Geffen Records contract for Second Album (January 2007)

023. Street of Dreams video treatment

024. January 2009 email discussing possible replacements for Robin

025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door

026. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay

027. July 2010 email outlining 2011 tour plans, including co-headliners

028. Better video treatment v2

029. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album

030. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 1)

031. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 2)

032. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 3)

033. July 2008 Axl letter to Robin about leaks

034. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 1)

035. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 2)

036. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 3)

037. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 4)

038. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 5)

039. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 6)

040. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 7)

041. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 8)

042. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 9)

043. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 10)

044. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 11)

045. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 12)

046. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 13)

047. January 2008 Shanghai and Beijing festival offers

048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)

049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)

050. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 1)

051. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 2)

052. December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde

053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer

054. April 2006 Axl Rose tour rider

055. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 1)

056. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 2)

057. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 3)

058. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 4)

059. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 5)

060. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 6)

061. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 7)

062. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 8)

063. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 1)

064. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 2)

065. June 2008 Brain email about which producers deserve credit

066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram

067. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 1)

068. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 2)

069. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 3)

070. January 2008 Fernando email listing Axl enemies / Slash allies

071. January 2008 Sebastian Bach email about entering rehab

072. February 2010 Axl email making NY plans

073. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 1)

074. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 2)

075. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 1)

076. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 2)

077. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 3)

078. October 2009 Beta/Dizzy conversation about everyone wanting Tommy out

079. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 1)

080. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 2)

081. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 3)

082. February 2007 Unpaid studio and producer invoices

083. March 2009 email outlining the tour dates with Van Halen

084. March 2006 Band and crew rehearsal payroll

085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta

086. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 1)

087. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 2)

088. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 1)

089. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 2)

090. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 3)

091. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 1)

092. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 2)

093. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 3)

094. April 2010 DJ Ashba email to Doc about Axl wanting to fire DJ

095. April 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR and insisting DJ Ashba be sued

096. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 1)

097. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 2)

098. January 2008 Axl letter detailing his uncensored thoughts on Slash

099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album

100. "The Honor of Thieves 2" - Axl book about the break-up of GNR

101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi

Edited December 27, 2020 by Gordon Comstock

NachoLZ · December 27, 2020

4 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

It was in the MSL "list of documents" thing 8 or so years ago... when MSL got OMG, Silkworms, Going Down and the remixes, he got a bunch of internal files/emails too, stuff like "DJ Ashba to be fired and sued", "Axl complaining about Dr Dre", Honour Of Theives II (Axls autobio) etc.

Oh yeah I remember that, thanks for pasting it, I remember thinking back in time that it seems so fake tho'.

Edited December 27, 2020 by NachoLZ

Dean · December 27, 2020

10 minutes ago, NachoLZ said:

Can you explain that part of " DJ Ashba to be fired from the band and then the band to be dissolved" pls

I'm afraid I don't know anymore than just the heading that was listed on the table of contents that came from a load of supposed stolen documents from Axl's laptop.

Here's everything that was listed:

Spoiler

Table of Contents