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On 3/19/2021 at 8:54 PM, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

How come it is so hard for Europe to get the vaccines they need?

If the US has the vaccines doesn't Europe have them too?

Is it the variants that are messing things up?

Moderna and Astra Zeneca are consistently delivering far less than they agreed on (often not even half of what was promised). It seems like dirty games are being played, but I don't really know what to believe. Seems like UK and US are blocking the export of vaccines that are produced in their countries while lots are being manufactured here in Europe and shipped abroad. EU was talking about blocking export of namely Astra Zeneca until they deliver the promised vaccines in the EU. Astra Zeneca's CEO was saying they have production troubles, but they seem to be delivering fine in the UK.

And lo and behold, suddenly we have all these doubts about the Astra Zeneca vaccine in the EU. I can't help but feeling suspicious about whatever political games are being played everywhere.

I read that J&J found a German company to bottle the vaccines, which is great for us in EU, because as it was, vaccines would be produced here, but shipped to bottle in the US, and then the US would just keep those EU produced vaccines, because they're not allowed to export vaccines.

Ugh, I hate all those games being played. I just want this to be over with now. Or at least see some light at the end of the tunnel. We were told that it would be a tough winter, but then it would finally get better. Today Spring starts, and things are getting worse again instead of better. And we've been vaccinating for almost 3 months now. It's just pathetic. We're at around 10 percent of the adult population that has had the first jab. Can't wait until I get mine, I'm running out of patience.

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On 3/18/2021 at 11:15 AM, Dazey said:

How the fuck did you get a jab? Since when were shortarses a high risk group? :lol: 

Went on the NHS website told them i was a care worker they don’t background check.

 

had Astrazeneca everyone I know who had had it has been feeling rough for a few days after.

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On 3/21/2021 at 5:22 PM, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

I read in the newspaper today that 50% of England's population is vaccinated. Is this true?

50% of the UK adult population is vaccinated.

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I think I read that the UK strategy has been to invest as many as possible with one shot (even if two is required for full immunization), because it is expected that even one shot provides substantial protection, and then administer the second shot later. This quickly achieving a good general protection in the population. Most other countries focus on full-vaccinating people, so instead of vaccinating two people with one shot each, they vaccinate one person with two shots. Later, UK will of course make sure that everybody got two shots and are fully vaccinated. Don't know if this is true, but makes a lot of sense to me. 

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10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I think I read that the UK strategy has been to invest as many as possible with one shot (even if two is required for full immunization), because it is expected that even one shot provides substantial protection, and then administer the second shot later. This quickly achieving a good general protection in the population. Most other countries focus on full-vaccinating people, so instead of vaccinating two people with one shot each, they vaccinate one person with two shots. Later, UK will of course make sure that everybody got two shots and are fully vaccinated. Don't know if this is true, but makes a lot of sense to me. 

That's basically the plan I think. One shot offers very good protection against the most serious consequences of infection so the idea is that we protect more people from serious illness rather than less people against all illness. Got to hand it to Boris and Co. in this instance. They've not done a lot right in this pandemic but credit where it's due as far as vaccines are concerned.  

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3 minutes ago, Dazey said:

That's basically the plan I think. One shot offers very good protection against the most serious consequences of infection so the idea is that we protect more people from serious illness rather than less people against all illness. Got to hand it to Boris and Co. in this instance. They've not done a lot right in this pandemic but credit where it's due as far as vaccines are concerned.  

Absolutely, well done! 

You also have a lot more vaccines than most other countries, and in this case not being part of the EU has allowed you to get your hands on more vaccines. Good that something positive comes out of Brexit. But you might have got too many vaccines. I believe you have ordered enough vaccines to vaccinate your population many-fold over. Not much solidarity, but I suppose you left the EU for this reason ;). 

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Just now, SoulMonster said:

Absolutely, well done! 

You also have a lot more vaccines than most other countries, and in this case not being part of the EU has allowed you to get your hands on more vaccines. Good that something positive comes out of Brexit. But you might have got too many vaccines. I believe you have ordered enough vaccines to vaccinate your population many-fold over. Not much solidarity, but I suppose you left the EU for this reason ;). 

The irony is that Brexit is irrelevant here. There was a absolutely nothing about membership of the EU that stopped us from pursuing this strategy as evidenced by the fact that we were still within the EU framework until January 1st this year. Any EU member state could have copied our rollout strategy, they just chose not to. :shrugs:   

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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

The irony is that Brexit is irrelevant here. There was a absolutely nothing about membership of the EU that stopped us from pursuing this strategy as evidenced by the fact that we were still within the EU framework until January 1st this year. Any EU member state could have copied our rollout strategy, they just chose not to. :shrugs:   

That's funny.

Norway was lucky to be able to join the EU vaccine program, so we are getting vaccines as if we were a member state. We could have taken UK's, but I don't think we even thought of it, nor that we would have succeeded or even wanted it.

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

That's funny.

Norway was lucky to be able to join the EU vaccine program, so we are getting vaccines as if we were a member state. We could have taken UK's, but I don't think we even thought of it, nor that we would have succeeded or even wanted it.

The strategy was to invest heavily in vaccines from many different sources in order to make sure that we had access to whatever was approved first basically. There was no way of knowing back in early 2020 which of the many vaccines would be successful (if any) and which would be approved for use first. It wasn't so much a case of vaccine hoarding but rather a hedging of bets over what would be available.

We ordered 400 million doses from 7 manufacturers which would be enough to vaccinate the adult population with both doses seven times over but so far only three suppliers have been approved and only two are available from Astra Zeneca (100 million) and Pfizer (40 million). If for whatever reason the Oxford vaccine hadn't been successful we'd be looking at 40 million doses which would only be enough for 20 million people and obviously we wouldn't have all those doses available yet.

By basically spreading the net as widely as possible we gave ourselves the best chance of success and that seems to have worked out well. I wouldn't however be averse to allowing some of our orders to go to the EU now as we've now given the first shot to enough people to see a way out of this. Boris seems to be okay with that also now as I believe we've offered to share future shipments of the Oxford vaccine. 

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I think we have vaccinated about 10% of our population (full-vaccinated, two doses). The plan is that all adults will be vaccinated before July, or something. I need this to be able to start business traveling against after summer. Being grounded in Norway for another season would be terrible for my company.

Have you and your wife been vaccinated, Dazey?

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

I think we have vaccinated about 10% of our population (full-vaccinated, two doses). The plan is that all adults will be vaccinated before July, or something. I need this to be able to start business traveling against after summer. Being grounded in Norway for another season would be terrible for my company.

Have you and your wife been vaccinated, Dazey?

Not yet. We were supposed to be getting our first doses in April but I think it's going to be May now as we appear to have to share our toys with the bloody Europeans! :lol: 

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10 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Not yet. We were supposed to be getting our first doses in April but I think it's going to be May now as we appear to have to share our toys with the bloody Europeans! :lol: 

I take from this only a warm testament to your benevolent solidarity.

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10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You have 50% of your population now. That should make it harder for the virus to spread.

We will have another LD its going to happen Bojo and Drakeford have said they are both bricking it over this summer 

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On BBC news right now all the talk on these other strains Kent and SA etc saying these current vaccines may not work on them saying we may need to tweek them 

Sir Pat Val says this is not going away 0% chance of that ever happening 

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3 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

On BBC news right now all the talk on these other strains Kent and SA etc saying these current vaccines may not work on them saying we may need to tweek them 

Sir Pat Val says this is not going away 0% chance of that ever happening 

Yeah, this was always a possibility. SARS-CoV-2 may become a fixed staple of the human condition like influenza and the cold. Hopefully we will be able to continuously develop new vaccines and eventually as more and more of us get infected, we will develop some immunity from that as well making the disease less of a problem. But yeah, this is likely not one of those diseases we will be able to eradicate, at least not with the types of vaccines we are using today. The more realistic scenario is that we have a perpetual arms race with the virus, it evolves and we respond by making new vaccines. 

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Texas is getting more vaccines next week. My brother got notice and is getting his first vaccine next Wed in Grand Prairie. Hope I hear soon too.

also saw on the news that kids from 6 months to 12 years old will be able to get vaccinated before the next school year. they are testing kids now. My daughter is 10 and I want her vaccinated as soon as possible too.

Hopefully other people who didn't want it will change their minds or this virus will never go away. Not that I think it will anyway, but the more people get the vaccine, the more the virus can slow down.

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22 hours ago, Dazey said:

50% of the UK adult population is vaccinated.

Great news! The US might be able to send vaccines to the rest of the world soon. That would be great because we all need to get vaccinated to slow down the spread and possibly one day stop it.

We will all need to get vaccinated each year against this virus just like the flu vaccine fine by me.

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