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21 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

The NBA won't require vaccinations for their players. Let the countdown begin!

Ironically, the first lockdown started because Rudy Gobert was licking reporters phones  

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It's fuckin BAD here and our asshat of a governor and mayor of Anchorage, the largest city is doing absolutely NOTHING! Our headline below from yesterday. :(

Alaska’s 1,095 new COVID-19 cases shatter daily record as overburdened hospitals struggle with capacity

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16 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

It's fuckin BAD here and our asshat of a governor and mayor of Anchorage, the largest city is doing absolutely NOTHING! Our headline below from yesterday. :(

Alaska’s 1,095 new COVID-19 cases shatter daily record as overburdened hospitals struggle with capacity

I read that one of your hospitals is getting slammed, with many ICU eligible patients waiting in emergency rooms and some in their cars due to the lack of available ICU resources.  Stay safe!

Meanwhile…

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A 12 year old boy waiting in an ER for an appendix attack, had his appendix burst because of all the unvaccinated morons in the ER.

I honestly think the ERs should separate the unvaccinated people with covid  from the other sick people who will need immediate attention. This poor child could have died and as it is he's now sicker than he would have been if doctors had been able to take out his appendix when he got there and not having to wait over 8 hours to be seen.

This is getting out of hand now.

And to the 3 women from Texas who tried to attack a hostess at a New York restaurant because they wouldn't show proof of being vaccinated, shame on you 3 morons. Before you travel to another state or country learn the rules of that state and obey them.

Bet these 3 jerks weren't vaccinated. Next time stay in Texas.  Too bad they didn't run into a security guard who could have stopped them from attacking that girl who is just doing her job and being hurt and disrespected.  

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Some states are having to send patients to other state hospitals and some are out of their own states.

but Gov Abbott of Texas and the moron Gov of Florida don't see a need to do something to try and slow this virus down.

Went to walmart today, most people wore a mask because there's a huge sign out front but there were a few who didn't and being this is Texas no one approached them and said to put on a mask. I can't blame them being they don't make much money but maybe Walmart should hire security to enforce their policy.

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On 9/14/2021 at 8:08 AM, SoulMonster said:

Am I in a perpetual state of captivity? How so?

The captivity that can be forced upon you by the powers that be whenever they decide to. Maybe in time, when the 5th and the 6th and the 7th and the Nth jab rolls around some of you will start to realize you were on the wrong side of history.

Do you need additional subtitles? Were you invited to get that 3rd jab already? Well prepare for the 4th. And the 5th. You get the picture. Actually, you don't.

On 9/14/2021 at 8:08 AM, SoulMonster said:

Am I in a perpetual state of captivity? How so?

I think most people agree that some level of restrictions has been necessary to cope with the pandemic, don't you?

Some level? Sure.

Lockdowns, curfews, social distancing, isolation, fear, paranoia, intimidation, death stigma, blatant violations of laws and conventions, discrimination, censorship, repression... no thank you. 

Extreme lockdowns kill.  The countires with the most extreme lockdowns have had the largest death spike in 2020. That is a fact. And yet the noose keeps on tightening. The effects of lockdowns and repression on the immune system - the most important thing for successfully battling covid-19 - have been nothing short of catastrophic. 

Psychological well-being is proven to boost our immune system. And yet, here we are. Bombarded with apocalyptic media sewage 24/7.

What's the mortality for covid-19 again? For a reasonably healthy human being? Who cares, right? Let's rather expose and highlight every possible individual case to create the illusion that four year olds are practically dropping dead in the street.

If only people were as conscious to other extreme medical anomalities that potentially plague all age groups. Doesn't make it a norm, does it?

On 9/14/2021 at 8:08 AM, SoulMonster said:

And if you don't agree with your politicians handling of the pandemic, just vote them out. I assume you live in a democracy, too.

Not so easy to do. We're been trying to get premature elections for a while now but with no success.

And also, I understand you're not all that familiar with my country but you don't have to patronize me with "I assume you live in a democracy, too". Our countries are part of the same national organizations.

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7 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

The captivity that can be forced upon you by the powers that be whenever they decide to. Maybe in time, when the 5th and the 6th and the 7th and the Nth jab rolls around some of you will start to realize you were on the wrong side of history.

Do you need additional subtitles? Were you invited to get that 3rd jab already? Well prepare for the 4th. And the 5th. You get the picture. Actually, you don't.

Uhm, yes, I live in a society where politicians are allowed to impose laws and regulations upon us, including certain restrictions during global pandemics. That's fine with me. And if I feel they are doing a bad job, then hopefully more people will agree with me and we will vote them out. It works splendidly.

As for having to take additional vaccines against Covid-19. I don't have any problem with that. Why should I? We have mandatory vaccination programs here in Norway (not for Covid-19, through), so the concept of having to take vaccines isn't alien to me nor does it scare me. Why should it? I would have much have the medicine than the disease. As for the possibility of having to take an annual Covid-19 vaccine (which is a possibility), that's okay, too. Why shouldn't it be? 

10 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

Lockdowns, curfews, social distancing, isolation, fear, paranoia, intimidation, death stigma, blatant violations of laws and conventions, discrimination, censorship, repression... no thank you. 

I haven't felt any of this. What planet do you live on?

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11 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

Extreme lockdowns kill.  The countires with the most extreme lockdowns have had the largest death spike in 2020. That is a fact. And yet the noose keeps on tightening.

It is? Here in Norway we are easing up on restrictions because the effects of the vaccination program has been so good. It's quite marvelous how quickly we developed a vaccine and how responsibly our elected politicians acted when they imposed restrictions but now lift them. Just as it should be.

13 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

What's the mortality for covid-19 again? For a reasonably healthy human being? Who cares, right? Let's rather expose and highlight every possible individual case to create the illusion that four year olds are practically dropping dead in the street.

I don't get this impression from the media at all. Seems kind of hysterical. 

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16 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

Not so easy to do. We're been trying to get premature elections for a while now but with no success.

And also, I understand you're not all that familiar with my country but you don't have to patronize me with "I assume you live in a democracy, too". Our countries are part of the same national organizations.

I don't even know what country you live in, hence the "I assume you live in a democracy, too". It wasn't a facetious comment. I have no idea where you live.

But agains, assuming you live in a democracy and you disagree with how your elected politicians have handled the pandemic, just vote them out. And if it turns out they aren't voted out, that means most people in your country are okay with how they have handled it and you are in a minority. 

EDIT: You live in Slovenia. Last I checked that was a democracy. 

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Your pretence bores me. 

Leaving Norway aside for a second, if you support and endorse the global response to this epidemic than we are just completely different people with a very different outlook as to what is morally acceptable. The difference is though that you can't even entertain the idea not everything is as hunky dory when it comes to restrictions and vaccines.

As for the media and the extreme measurements I've listed, look what happenend in Spain, Italy, Belgium... with all due respect, Norway is not the end-all of this pandemic.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Coma16 said:

But surely the hospitals are breaking at the seams and oxygen has run out?

Nope, we're fine. Over 70 % fully vaccinated and I just read that we should approximately have over 80 % of the population that's either fully vaccinated or has recovered from a natural infection (or both). 

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2 hours ago, Sisyphus said:

Your pretence bores me. 

Leaving Norway aside for a second, if you support and endorse the global response to this epidemic than we are just completely different people with a very different outlook as to what is morally acceptable. The difference is though that you can't even entertain the idea not everything is as hunky dory when it comes to restrictions and vaccines.

As for the media and the extreme measurements I've listed, look what happenend in Spain, Italy, Belgium... with all due respect, Norway is not the end-all of this pandemic.

I don't think there is a "global response". Each country has made its own decision as to how to handle the pandemic. Most countries have decided to encourage people to get vaccinated and have imposed restrictions on travelling and movement, and advised people to social distance and wear face masks. I see no problem with this. If you are of the opinion that governments shouldn't have imposed such restrictions, and rather just have let the disease run its course uncontrolled, then I believe the death tolls would have been dramatically higher. By slowing down the spread until people have been vaccinated, we have saved millions globally. 

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Honestly, everything seems to be made worse because of social media. People need to put their phones down and find a hobby or maybe help other people who need it.

there are over 500,000 homeless in California and I can't believe this? how can American let this go on? Just too sad for words. I don't know what has happened to this world in the past years. We are getting worse and worse and so many are suffering for it.

I don't know how anyone can fix anything.

and yet all those migrants still want to come to America. I can only imagine how bad it must be in their country to still want to come to America? It's not the land that it once was.

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On 9/15/2021 at 5:39 PM, downzy said:

According to the latest research the vaccines provide three times the level of infection protection than those who choose to remain unvaccinated.  So you do get some level of protection from infection, but you're not bulletproof.  So there's that.

Moreover, many people can't get vaccinated.  My wife and I make our best efforts to balance the risk and social needs for our daughter, who is too young to be vaccinated.  She still attends school where teachers are required to either be vaccinated or be tested weekly.  But we don't allow her to play with other kids without masks who belong to parents who are not vaccinated.  Just last week a four year old died of Covid.  She caught it from her mother who chose not to be vaccinated.

Finally, I just have little respect for those who believe they know more than all the medical researchers and experts who advocate the safety of the vaccines.  If someone wants to be an idiot, fine, have at it.  But I really don't have the time to spend with people I lost my respect for.  The ego and presumption of some to think they know more than the experts is something I want to limit my interactions with.  When you're potentially putting the health of myself and my family in jeopardy because of absolute nonsense, you're not going to get much time from me.  

And how exactly do they determine, whether one is 3 times more protected to actually get it??

Well, other than getting vaccinated, hoping you won't get it and if you get it, not giving it to your child with whom you're in close proximity all the time, what have you done?
Myself, I had 24 negative tests since May, whenever I was in situations where it was mandated or could have brought me in aforementioned situations, however unlikely (it still is possible to keep somewhat distanced).

What happened to the 4 year old is tragic, but not really the norm. 4 year olds don't regularly drop dead from Covid.

And, just to make clear, I'm not pretending to know more than anyone else. It's just a fact that also the experts don't know it all, as you can find experts arguing in either directions. I just make my decisons for myself. Period.

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8 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

And how exactly do they determine, whether one is 3 times more protected to actually get it??

You enlist about 50,000 people to be part of a clinical trial where half of them get the vaccine and half of them get placebo, but you don't tell them (or their doctor) if they got the vaccine or the placebo. Then you follow them for about 2 months and record the following:

- Who gets Covid-19 and who doesn't. This tells you how well the vaccine protects against getting infected.

- For those who get Covid-19, you record the severity of the symptoms. This tells you how well the vaccine protects you against getting sick if infected.

- And you also record any adverse side effects of the vaccine. This tells you how safe the vaccine is.

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12 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

It's just a fact that also the experts don't know it all, as you can find experts arguing in either directions. I just make my decisons for myself. Period.

In my country 9 out of 10 people in the hospitals right now are unvaccinated, that's a fact too.

Everyone should decide for themselves whether they want to get vaccinated or not, but to me it seems that the vaccines are doing their job so far.

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14 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

And how exactly do they determine, whether one is 3 times more protected to actually get it??

It's called double-blind testing.  @SoulMonster provides a great run down of what that means.  The CDC doesn't make up numbers.  Anything they released is based on studies and research.

14 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Well, other than getting vaccinated, hoping you won't get it and if you get it, not giving it to your child with whom you're in close proximity all the time, what have you done?

We limit our exposure to people who have been vaccinated.  We all wear masks in large outdoors social situations or in all indoor social situations.  We have at home rapid Covid-19 antigen tests that we take regularly.  We take it seriously since it's a serious virus and we respect and have concern for everyone else.  We also respect the fact that our actions can affect others, which can't be said about those who shun the vaccine based on nothing more than ignorance or ego.

14 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

What happened to the 4 year old is tragic, but not really the norm. 4 year olds don't regularly drop dead from Covid.

Agreed.  But it was almost certainly avoidable had her Mom been vaccinated.  It's rare, but so unnecessary.  

14 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

It's just a fact that also the experts don't know it all, as you can find experts arguing in either directions. I just make my decisons for myself. Period.

The experts don't know everything, but they know a fuck more than the guys who use to have their science tests returned to them face down and now insist on doing their own research.  The nature of science is that it is always in flux based on the latest findings.  It works towards to truth as a goal.  In no way are anti-vaxxers concerned about truth.  They only concern themselves with serving their own ego or living in denial.  You can make the decision for yourself, but your decision can affect others.  Viral outbreaks is a collective action problem.  They don't get solved by only considering your own needs.  

 

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