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On 5/6/2020 at 1:06 PM, guitarpatch said:

The most dangerous band in the world 

 

Debbie Gibson seems more subversive now.  But I'm okay with that. 

 

Axl is pushing sixty, so he isn't acting like the twenty-something badass he used to be, because he isn't that person any longer.  He's a mellow family man now (without an actual family).  Somehow that makes him less of a musician to some macho rock fans...

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On my mobile this thread was abbreviated as "Guns N' Roses to Release Chi.." and I open it to find this 

Fuck Fernando.

There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said in the thread  For once, I literally have no words. This is the biggest face palm day for me as a GNR fan. 

2 hours ago, SympathyFortheAxl said:

I hope they produce a made for TV movie based on the book, like Dolly Parton did with her family friendly Coat of Many Colors movies.  Many of us (formerly) macho fans now have families - so it makes sense to me.

And? Why do GNR need to be 'family friendly'? 

If you sat your infants down and talked them through the lyrics of most GNR songs, or even showed them a lot of their artwork, social services would probably investigate. 

Fans of pornography get older too. No-one advocates for 'family friendly' pornographic films! 

 

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21 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Fans of pornography get older too. No-one advocates for 'family friendly' pornographic films! 

 

Hang on a minute - that's not such a bad idea!!

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The Metallica argument is absolutely stupid in every sense of the word. 
 

Metallica released their 2008 album about a month before Axl. 

 

In that time, we know what happened to Axl and the gang. But what about Metallica? Hmm. 

 

For one, they have toured each and every single year since then, non stop. I get GNR ‘s main revenue since 2001 has been touring, but averaging 30-40 shows a year is god status. They stayed relevant like the last era of NuGNR tried to do by running the GNR name into the ground, and its what Axl, (suprisingly) Slash, and Duff have done since 2016. 

 

The difference is, Metallica only toured their 2008 album until 2010. Not 6 years later in 2014. Oh, and 3 live DVD’s came from that era for Metallica. GNR gave us ONE from 2012 that isn’t going to be the first thing you reach for when you think of GNR. You might reach for the Big 4 DVD though if someone asked who Metallica was. 

 

Both of these bands had different approaches to touring at that time as well. As I remember the post Chi-Dem release era band toured the world over and played Arenas and played these epic 3 hour shows. All in the name of Chi Dem and fulfilling Axls prophecy that he didn’t need those old guys.  

 

Metallica on the other hand were playing Big 4 shows, and touring parts of the world other American bands would shit their pants in. I think they hit every continent in the world at one point? Fucking Antarctica! 30th Anniversary shows (for $6). Playing with their old friends. Doing ‘Metallica by Request’ tours. S&M2 (and a movie with it...)

 

Metallica didn’t stop creating from 2011-2015. A time when Axl toured out Chinese Democracy for the 3rd and 4th time. Lulu, as controversial as it was, was a band bored with life stepping out of their thrash/hard rock shell and showing the world they have some more colors then the ones everyone else has used to color them. 

 

Imagine Axl doing that. 

 

Metallica gave their fans the best b-sides of Death Magnetic with Beyond Magnetic. Chinese B-Sides? We had to find them on our own. 

 

Metallica literally had their own festival. Their own fucking festival!! Grant it, they probably lost a shit ton of money in the 2 years it was held, but that isn’t the point in this regard. They went out on a limb and did something in 2012-2013 before it was popular. They even played Ride and Black from front to back and Kill Them All as a fake band named Dehan. While Axl was playing bum fuck fest in the middle of who the fuck knows Texas/Oklahoma for 10,000 guaranteed fans who bought tickets. There is no comparison there!!

 

Metallica made their own movie using hi-def footage from their own shows!!!! I know people didn’t like it, but holy shit could you imagine Axl releasing ANY footage from ANY era? Haha. Im surprised we got what we got in 2012 to be honest, but compare that to a full fledged movie w/ a soundtrack mastered in a studio of live audio. Again, no comparison. 

 

The Metallica boys also gave us massive re-releases of Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Garage Days AND Master of Puppets. All remasters came with a good “b-side to trinket” ratio and I want to say all of them came with live-shows of their respective era. 

 

Metallica also had crazy and cool collaborations. Off the top of my head I remember them now having a Giants/Sharks/Warriors game night in San Francisco. Each band member got to create a pair of Vans. I think they had a watch collab as well. All sorts of shit. Stuff you actually want to buy. Their name has been everywhere and with everyone this last decade. I think they were even on the Grammys with Lang Land, and then AGAIN with Lady Gaga, at some point in the last decade? How long have we said “Axl and the guys are going to show up at *so and so award event*” What did we get? That meme of a Revolver award show a couple of years ago. Holy shit, I don’t think I could ever watch that show back it was so bad. 
 

Mix in all of that with the fact that they’ve been doing a live bootleg program for awhile now, and have recently been recording and live streaming each and every show. Something we as GNR fans cant even do on Youtube anymore. 

 

Metallica raised $17 million dollars for the California wild fires of 2017-2018. 

 

And heres one I cant argue for GNR: Metallica gave us a new album in 2017. 9 years after their last, and their tenth. TENTH. 

 

Oh yeah. And theres talk of another one coming. 

 

Both were inducted into the R&R HOF around the same time. Thats about the only comparison I can stand between those 2 post 2008. 
 

Since 2008. Jesus, it feels so long ago.

 

In conclusion: don’t come here with a bullshit argument.

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14 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

The Metallica argument is absolutely stupid in every sense of the word. 
 

Metallica released their 2008 album about a month before Axl. 

 

In that time, we know what happened to Axl and the gang. But what about Metallica? Hmm. 

 

For one, they have toured each and every single year since then, non stop. I get GNR ‘s main revenue since 2001 has been touring, but averaging 30-40 shows a year is god status. They stayed relevant like the last era of NuGNR tried to do by running the GNR name into the ground, and its what Axl, (suprisingly) Slash, and Duff have done since 2016. 

 

The difference is, Metallica only toured their 2008 album until 2010. Not 6 years later in 2014. Oh, and 3 live DVD’s came from that era for Metallica. GNR gave us ONE from 2012 that isn’t going to be the first thing you reach for when you think of GNR. You might reach for the Big 4 DVD though if someone asked who Metallica was. 

 

Both of these bands had different approaches to touring at that time as well. As I remember the post Chi-Dem release era band toured the world over and played Arenas and played these epic 3 hour shows. All in the name of Chi Dem and fulfilling Axls prophecy that he didn’t need those old guys.  

 

Metallica on the other hand were playing Big 4 shows, and touring parts of the world other American bands would shit their pants in. I think they hit every continent in the world at one point? Fucking Antarctica! 30th Anniversary shows (for $6). Playing with their old friends. Doing ‘Metallica by Request’ tours. S&M2 (and a movie with it...)

 

Metallica didn’t stop creating from 2011-2015. A time when Axl toured out Chinese Democracy for the 3rd and 4th time. Lulu, as controversial as it was, was a band bored with life stepping out of their thrash/hard rock shell and showing the world they have some more colors then the ones everyone else has used to color them. 

 

Imagine Axl doing that. 

 

Metallica gave their fans the best b-sides of Death Magnetic with Beyond Magnetic. Chinese B-Sides? We had to find them on our own. 

 

Metallica literally had their own festival. Their own fucking festival!! Grant it, they probably lost a shit ton of money in the 2 years it was held, but that isn’t the point in this regard. They went out on a limb and did something in 2012-2013 before it was popular. They even played Ride and Black from front to back and Kill Them All as a fake band named Dehan. While Axl was playing bum fuck fest in the middle of who the fuck knows Texas/Oklahoma for 10,000 guaranteed fans who bought tickets. There is no comparison there!!

 

Metallica made their own movie using hi-def footage from their own shows!!!! I know people didn’t like it, but holy shit could you imagine Axl releasing ANY footage from ANY era? Haha. Im surprised we got what we got in 2012 to be honest, but compare that to a full fledged movie w/ a soundtrack mastered in a studio of live audio. Again, no comparison. 

 

The Metallica boys also gave us massive re-releases of Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Garage Days AND Master of Puppets. All remasters came with a good “b-side to trinket” ratio and I want to say all of them came with live-shows of their respective era. 

 

Metallica also had crazy and cool collaborations. Off the top of my head I remember them now having a Giants/Sharks/Warriors game night in San Francisco. Each band member got to create a pair of Vans. I think they had a watch collab as well. All sorts of shit. Their name has been everywhere and with everyone this last decade. I think they were even on the Grammys with Lang Land, and then AGAIN with Lady Gaga, at some point in the last decade? How long have we said “Axl and the guys are going to show up at *so and so award event*” What did we get? That meme of a Revolver award show a couple of years ago. Holy shit, I don’t think I could ever watch that show back it was so bad. 
 

Mix in all of that with the fact that they’ve been doing a live bootleg program for awhile now, and have recently been recording and live streaming each and every show. Something we as GNR fans cant even do on Youtube anymore. 

 

Metallica raised $17 million dollars for the California wild fires of 2017-2018. 

 

And heres one I cant argue for GNR: Metallica gave us a new album in 2017. 9 years after their last, and their tenth. TENTH. 

 

Oh yeah. And theres talk of another one coming. 

 

Both were inducted into the R&R HOF around the same time. Thats about the only comparison I can stand between those 2 post 2008. 

 

In conclusion: don’t come here with a bullshit argument.

Good post.

Add to this during the death magnetic shows you could also log onto their site and download soundboards at the end of each show.

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Metallica are in a different league now. They moved forwards, they make efforts to engage, they offer quality products time and time again (their reissue packages always look excellent and are reasonably priced), they write and record new material which they tour and which fans debate and discuss the merits of; it's not even a comparison. It's quite funny really that people should even compare them with GNR in 2020. 

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1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Metallica are in a different league now. They moved forwards, they make efforts to engage, they offer quality products time and time again (their reissue packages always look excellent and are reasonably priced), they write and record new material which they tour and which fans debate and discuss the merits of; it's not even a comparison. It's quite funny really that people should even compare them with GNR in 2020. 

Yea gnr are kinda still stuck in the 90s with the way they're handling things. And it's weird since a little kid like Fernando is running things who grew up in this day and age

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Just now, StayofExecution2020 said:

Yea gnr are kinda still stuck in the 90s with the way they're handling things. And it's weird since a little kid like Fernando is running things who grew up in this day and age

Kinda? Even their gig shirts are all based around an album that came out in the 80s! It's like they're in a time-warp at the moment. 

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7 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

The Metallica argument is absolutely stupid in every sense of the word. 
 

Metallica released their 2008 album about a month before Axl. 

 

In that time, we know what happened to Axl and the gang. But what about Metallica? Hmm. 

 

For one, they have toured each and every single year since then, non stop. I get GNR ‘s main revenue since 2001 has been touring, but averaging 30-40 shows a year is god status. They stayed relevant like the last era of NuGNR tried to do by running the GNR name into the ground, and its what Axl, (suprisingly) Slash, and Duff have done since 2016. 

 

The difference is, Metallica only toured their 2008 album until 2010. Not 6 years later in 2014. Oh, and 3 live DVD’s came from that era for Metallica. GNR gave us ONE from 2012 that isn’t going to be the first thing you reach for when you think of GNR. You might reach for the Big 4 DVD though if someone asked who Metallica was. 

 

Both of these bands had different approaches to touring at that time as well. As I remember the post Chi-Dem release era band toured the world over and played Arenas and played these epic 3 hour shows. All in the name of Chi Dem and fulfilling Axls prophecy that he didn’t need those old guys.  

 

Metallica on the other hand were playing Big 4 shows, and touring parts of the world other American bands would shit their pants in. I think they hit every continent in the world at one point? Fucking Antarctica! 30th Anniversary shows (for $6). Playing with their old friends. Doing ‘Metallica by Request’ tours. S&M2 (and a movie with it...)

 

Metallica didn’t stop creating from 2011-2015. A time when Axl toured out Chinese Democracy for the 3rd and 4th time. Lulu, as controversial as it was, was a band bored with life stepping out of their thrash/hard rock shell and showing the world they have some more colors then the ones everyone else has used to color them. 

 

Imagine Axl doing that. 

 

Metallica gave their fans the best b-sides of Death Magnetic with Beyond Magnetic. Chinese B-Sides? We had to find them on our own. 

 

Metallica literally had their own festival. Their own fucking festival!! Grant it, they probably lost a shit ton of money in the 2 years it was held, but that isn’t the point in this regard. They went out on a limb and did something in 2012-2013 before it was popular. They even played Ride and Black from front to back and Kill Them All as a fake band named Dehan. While Axl was playing bum fuck fest in the middle of who the fuck knows Texas/Oklahoma for 10,000 guaranteed fans who bought tickets. There is no comparison there!!

 

Metallica made their own movie using hi-def footage from their own shows!!!! I know people didn’t like it, but holy shit could you imagine Axl releasing ANY footage from ANY era? Haha. Im surprised we got what we got in 2012 to be honest, but compare that to a full fledged movie w/ a soundtrack mastered in a studio of live audio. Again, no comparison. 

 

The Metallica boys also gave us massive re-releases of Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Garage Days AND Master of Puppets. All remasters came with a good “b-side to trinket” ratio and I want to say all of them came with live-shows of their respective era. 

 

Metallica also had crazy and cool collaborations. Off the top of my head I remember them now having a Giants/Sharks/Warriors game night in San Francisco. Each band member got to create a pair of Vans. I think they had a watch collab as well. All sorts of shit. Stuff you actually want to buy. Their name has been everywhere and with everyone this last decade. I think they were even on the Grammys with Lang Land, and then AGAIN with Lady Gaga, at some point in the last decade? How long have we said “Axl and the guys are going to show up at *so and so award event*” What did we get? That meme of a Revolver award show a couple of years ago. Holy shit, I don’t think I could ever watch that show back it was so bad. 
 

Mix in all of that with the fact that they’ve been doing a live bootleg program for awhile now, and have recently been recording and live streaming each and every show. Something we as GNR fans cant even do on Youtube anymore. 

 

Metallica raised $17 million dollars for the California wild fires of 2017-2018. 

 

And heres one I cant argue for GNR: Metallica gave us a new album in 2017. 9 years after their last, and their tenth. TENTH. 

 

Oh yeah. And theres talk of another one coming. 

 

Both were inducted into the R&R HOF around the same time. Thats about the only comparison I can stand between those 2 post 2008. 
 

Since 2008. Jesus, it feels so long ago.

 

In conclusion: don’t come here with a bullshit argument.

 

I do feel that people on here downplay anything GNR related and are waaaay too eager to suck off Metallica. 

Like this post here, glazes over GNR since 2008 while praising Metallica. Now they do have far better management than GNR especially on the social media front (their youtube videos are cool and GNR should take notice).

But just to bat for GNR's side:

In 2009/2010 we had Tour's with Axl at the top of his game with setlists packed with songs from the most recent GNR album.

In 2010 we got the Rose Bar acoustic show (drools).

In 2011 we got live streams of some of the US shows (Bring this back TB!!). 

In 2012 We got the Hiro Ballroom videos + extensive worldwide touring

In 2014 We finally got a live DVD from the CD era band.

And guns have done a bunch of charity stuff over the years, putting funds from streaming concerts, signing items for sale, actual performances.

Now yes GNR have had an incredibly small set of official released physical CD's/DVD's from the CD era (2!)

I'm not saying that GNR couldn't learn a lot from Metallica but to ignore the great stuff that has happened over the years is one of the main reasons Team Brazil views this place as a constant source of negativity. There has been good stuff over the years.

 

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2 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

 

I do feel that people on here downplay anything GNR related and are waaaay too eager to suck off Metallica. 

Like this post here, glazes over GNR since 2008 while praising Metallica. Now they do have far better management than GNR especially on the social media front (their youtube videos are cool and GNR should take notice).

But just to bat for GNR's side:

In 2009/2010 we had Tour's with Axl at the top of his game with setlists packed with songs from the most recent GNR album.

In 2010 we got the Rose Bar acoustic show (drools).

In 2011 we got live streams of some of the US shows (Bring this back TB!!). 

In 2012 We got the Hiro Ballroom videos + extensive worldwide touring

In 2014 We finally got a live DVD from the CD era band.

And guns have done a bunch of charity stuff over the years, putting funds from streaming concerts, signing items for sale, actual performances.

Now yes GNR have had an incredibly small set of official released physical CD's/DVD's from the CD era (2!)

I'm not saying that GNR couldn't learn a lot from Metallica but to ignore the great stuff that has happened over the years is one of the main reasons Team Brazil views this place as a constant source of negativity. There has been good stuff over the years.

 

LOL, there's a reason for the negativity here and many other places on the internet regarding GNR. I can only think of two places with blind positivity about GNR and they're both ghost towns. Not because people don't want to be positive about GNR, but because GNR gives fans little to nothing to be positive about. 

Do an honest comparison of the things you've listed that GNR has done over the past 10 years versus the extensive list of what Metallica has done. There's just absolutely no comparison. That's no one's fault but GNR and TB. So the fact that TB thinks of this place as negative goes back to how they've handled things. It's certainly not the responsibility of the fans to just act like things are better than the are. 

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Is this dude ^ serious??

The fact of the matter is GNR doesn’t have enough material or enough reasons to forgive them for the bullshit they keep laying on us compared to a band like Metallica. in fact, Metallica fucked over the whole music industry, and was STILL able to do all of the things I just mentioned in a post-napster world. 
 

Also, if you knew anything about me and my presence on this website, you’d know I sucked off Axl and his circus for the last 10+ years. But I guess now because my opinion has changed due to recent events, I’ve gone full throat choke on Metallica’s pipe.

 

maybe im sick of sucking people off, and now its time for me to get sucked off. Ever think of that? 

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Also, you act like theres sooooo much to downplay. The band took 2014-2016 off, reunited and has since banked off the profits, while continuing to extort their ‘loyal’ fans, while stabbing them in the back once we get pulled back in. Something NONE of us thought Slash or even Duff would do. Yet, the harsh reality is here we are. 
 

If I were Team Brazil, 2017 would have saw the 30th anniversary of AFD tour. 3 nights somewhere where one of those nights AFD would be played in its ENTIRETY. With or without Steven. 

 

the box-set would have been released and marketed wayyyyyyyy better in unison with the tour. 
 

then top priority would be writing a new album with shows sprinkled here or there. 
 

hell, Slash himself has put out FOUR albums and numerous other projects since axl last released a piece of music. That should tell you all you need to know really. 

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4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

LOL, there's a reason for the negativity here and many other places on the internet regarding GNR. I can only think of two places with blind positivity about GNR and they're both ghost towns. Not because people don't want to be positive about GNR, but because GNR gives fans little to nothing to be positive about. 

Do an honest comparison of the things you've listed that GNR has done over the past 10 years versus the extensive list of what Metallica has done. There's just absolutely no comparison. That's no one's fault but GNR and TB. So the fact that TB thinks of this place as negative goes back to how they've handled things. It's certainly not the responsibility of the fans to just act like things are better than the are. 

Oh absolutely, no one want's just sycophantic praise of the band. But this place leans waaay too much in the other direction at times.

The list of what Metallica has done is basically the same other than they've released a bunch of albums I (and most people) don't want to listen to. If I go see Metallica and anything post 90's comes on it's time for a piss break and maybe a beer. And this is true for the casual fans of pretty much any band.

 

6 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Is this dude ^ serious??

The fact of the matter is GNR doesn’t have enough material or enough reasons to forgive them for the bullshit they keep laying on us compared to a band like Metallica. in fact, Metallica fucked over the whole music industry, and was STILL able to do all of the things I just mentioned in a post-napster world. 
 

Also, if you knew anything about me and my presence on this website, you’d know I sucked off Axl and his circus for the last 10+ years. But I guess now because my opinion has changed due to recent events, I’ve gone full throat choke on Metallica’s pipe.

 

maybe im sick of sucking people off, and now its time for me to get sucked off. Ever think of that? 

As I said GNR could learn a lot for how Metallica have set up their fan interaction but you almost went out of your way to ignore the fact that GNR have had their own great moments  over the years as well.

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11 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

LOL, there's a reason for the negativity here and many other places on the internet regarding GNR. I can only think of two places with blind positivity about GNR and they're both ghost towns. Not because people don't want to be positive about GNR, but because GNR gives fans little to nothing to be positive about. 

Do an honest comparison of the things you've listed that GNR has done over the past 10 years versus the extensive list of what Metallica has done. There's just absolutely no comparison. That's no one's fault but GNR and TB. So the fact that TB thinks of this place as negative goes back to how they've handled things. It's certainly not the responsibility of the fans to just act like things are better than the are. 

Just to add. There’s only one constant here in decades of futility. It all comes from above in some fashion imo 

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Hmm.. A band with one record in 25 years, which just participated in probably the greatest reunion tour of all time (if you think Hell Freezes Over was bigger, you could make that argument); the fans are there, and yearning for material. Even if they didn't release new music, just a shitton of pro-shots, I'd be happy enough to still consider them one of my all time favorite bands. I would have the proper ammunition to show people why I like this band, rather than demos from 1999 which are frankly just alright. I can't keep playing Appetite and UYI over and over again until the grooves or tape wears out. The love from the fans is not congruent with the efforts and output of the band.

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1 minute ago, guitarpatch said:

Just to add. There’s only one constant here in decades of futility. It all comes from above in some fashion imo 

True that, Axl is clearly the issue for the lack of content over the years.

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2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Also, you act like theres sooooo much to downplay. The band took 2014-2016 off, reunited and has since banked off the profits, while continuing to extort their ‘loyal’ fans, while stabbing them in the back once we get pulled back in. Something NONE of us thought Slash or even Duff would do. Yet, the harsh reality is here we are. 
 

If I were Team Brazil, 2017 would have saw the 30th anniversary of AFD tour. 3 nights somewhere where one of those nights AFD would be played in its ENTIRETY. With or without Steven. 

 

the box-set would have been released and marketed wayyyyyyyy better in unison with the tour. 
 

then top priority would be writing a new album with shows sprinkled here or there. 
 

hell, Slash himself has put out FOUR albums and numerous other projects since axl last released a piece of music. That should tell you all you need to know really. 

I honestly wouldn't worry about engaging too much. It's the same old nonsense from thread to thread.

Same two/three posters, same old 'GNR defence league'. 

It's an attention thing, because they don't get it elsewhere. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, GNR_RNR said:

True that, Axl is clearly the issue for the lack of content over the years.

Axl is pretty much the issue for anything negative as far as the band goes. His "vision" lol

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3 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Oh absolutely, no one want's just sycophantic praise of the band. But this place leans waaay too much in the other direction at times.

The list of what Metallica has done is basically the same other than they've released a bunch of albums I (and most people) don't want to listen to. If I go see Metallica and anything post 90's comes on it's time for a piss break and maybe a beer. And this is true for the casual fans of pretty much any band

Haha, come on now. The list between what Metallica have done in the last 10 years and what GNR have done is nowhere near the same. Furthermore, are you suggesting that because a lot of fans take piss breaks during new material at concerts that that's a reason to not release any new material? 

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2 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

As I said GNR could learn a lot for how Metallica have set up their fan interaction but you almost went out of your way to ignore the fact that GNR have had their own great moments  over the years as well.

And its almost like you went out of your way to put GNR’s casual achievements in the same category as a well oiled and marketed machine.... 

i see why you aren’t mad about this. You are a casual. You could give a fuck what they play. As long as they are out there playing those hillbilly anthems, you will be there. Because thats all the Value GNR gives you. And thats fine. But your voice doesnt get to be the loudest for the fans that have sat here since 1993 and watched this soap opra unfold like WWE monday night raw week by week.  

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5 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Just to add. There’s only one constant here in decades of futility. It all comes from above in some fashion imo 

 

3 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

True that, Axl is clearly the issue for the lack of content over the years.

So you both agree that 1) GNR is in no way a productive band and 2) that it's Axl's fault. 

Remind me again how it's the fans fault if they're negative? 

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6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

 

So you both agree that 1) GNR is in no way a productive band and 2) that it's Axl's fault. 

Remind me again how it's the fans fault if they're negative? 

TB’s/GNR fan relations suck. I agree. Fans have a right to be negative about it. From what I’ve seen over the years, I think that comes from somewhere as well. 

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