Axl Rose vs. US. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin

[alfierose]

3 minutes ago, downzy said:

I agree that it probably wasn’t the best choice or words.

Personally, I would have gone with the word “idiot” or “moron“ to describe any cabinet official who would promote the idea that Americans should travel around the country in the midst of a pandemic. 

Twitter is a terrible medium for any kind of discussion or point making. He'd be better off writing a column, doing the odd think piece or using a blog site. You can still link to twitter but at least whatever the subject matter it can be a bit more fleshed out.

[guitarpatch]

1 minute ago, The Real McCoy said:

It’s always been in general terms, for the most part. There’s no way I’m sitting through an album that’s nothing but bashing the Trump administration for 75 minutes.

They released Civil War in the midst of the Gulf War. I also highly doubt they would release an entire album’s worth of that type of material 

[soon]

51 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:

Any political lyrics on a hypothetical new album will be my jumping off point more than this children’s book has been.

Axl has gone way too leftist for me at this point. Not my political cup of tea, and I say this as someone that generally leans right wing but is pretty liberal in regards to social issues.

 

I don’t think you know what “leftist” means.

you announced that you quit gnr fandom but you've stuck around to express outrage over the hypothetical lyrics of a hypothetical album. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by soon

[RussTCB]

2 hours ago, thomase said:

in 2004 the dixie chicks trash talk president bush the dixie chicks career was over there music was banned from playing on the radio then in 2017 or 2018 the dixie chicks was ready for a comeback and once again they trash talk trump who is president and they ruin there career again and i'm just saying if axl does that his career will be over

LOL, none of what you said is even close to accurate. 

[adamsapple]

It's official: One of the greatest musicians alive, the lead singer of what used to be "most dangerous band in the world" has turned into a grumpy old keyboard warrior, screaming on top of his lungs on Twitter, spitting out one-liners instead of songs, mostly about politics, without any substance, depth or actual meaning whatsoever.

Meanwhile, quarantined fans facing existential fears and social/economic stuggles and starving for a little something to cheer them up in these times are offered a childrens book (!!!) from his "manager" using the band he had absolutely zero creative input on while the little input he did have was doing more harm than good to once more promote his own agenda.

On top of that, some fans seem to celebrate the fact that GNR is "trending on Twitter" for some absolute BULLSHIT reason.

What a great day to be a fan of this band...

[downzy]

15 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:

It’s always been in general terms, for the most part. There’s no way I’m sitting through an album that’s nothing but bashing the Trump administration for 75 minutes.

What do you think Welcome to the Jungle is about?  A wholesale embrace of Reagan’s morning in America?

I find it unlikely you would be opposed to Axl taking a political stance if he was blasting out tweets about Biden or Clinton. 

[The Real McCoy]

4 minutes ago, downzy said:

What do you think Welcome to the Jungle is about?  A wholesale embrace of Reagan’s morning in America?

I find it unlikely you would be opposed to Axl taking a political stance if he was blasting out tweets about Biden or Clinton. 

Those two certainly carry enough baggage with them where he’d certainly have material to work with, if he chose to.

Not that Trump doesn’t, mind you. I’m not going to sit here and say that Trump is perfect. He’s not. Far from it. But let’s not pretend that Biden doesn’t currently have a major accusation against him right now that the majority of the media is ignoring for politically motivated reasons. 

[allwaystired]

6 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:

Those two certainly carry enough baggage with them where he’d certainly have material to work with, if he chose to.

Not that Trump doesn’t, mind you. I’m not going to sit here and say that Trump is perfect. He’s not. Far from it. But let’s not pretend that Biden doesn’t currently have a major accusation against him right now that the majority of the media is ignoring for politically motivated reasons. 

Whenever Trump's name comes up, you know you're not far away from a 'biased mainstream media' claim! 

Edited May 7, 2020 by allwaystired

[The Real McCoy]

Just now, allwaystired said:

Whenever Trump's name comes up, you'e not far away from a 'biased mainstream media' claim! 

As I said, I don’t think that Trump is perfect, and I also said that Axl is entitled to his opinion. It’s his right to speak his mind, and it’s my right, if I choose, to disagree with him.

 

[downzy]

15 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:

Those two certainly carry enough baggage with them where he’d certainly have material to work with, if he chose to.

Not that Trump doesn’t, mind you. I’m not going to sit here and say that Trump is perfect. He’s not. Far from it. But let’s not pretend that Biden doesn’t currently have a major accusation against him right now that the majority of the media is ignoring for politically motivated reasons. 

But you've just proved my point that you're not opposed to artists including political commentary in their art or music, only political commentary that's opposed to your own political views.  You don't see the inconsistency?

Second, Biden and Clinton are not in charge of the country, so why would Axl target either when it's Trump and his cabinet that are royally fucking up the federal response to the pandemic?  

[allwaystired]

3 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:

As I said, I don’t think that Trump is perfect, and I also said that Axl is entitled to his opinion. It’s his right to speak his mind, and it’s my right, if I choose, to disagree with him.

 

Of course. But with this in mind it makes comments such as "I’ll never listen to or support this band again" if they made a political album seem rather churlish. 

With the best will in the world, Trump and his fans aren't renowned around the world for their embracing of factual evidence, science and reason, and the suggestion that 'the mainstream media' has in someway formed a mass allegiance to 'get at them' is one of their little nonsenses that I always find amusing! 

And to be honest, if Axl made an album entirely dedicated to ripping to shreds a man that thinks it might be a good idea to inject yourself with disinfectant, I'd be first in the queue to hear it! 

 

[downzy]

39 minutes ago, alfierose said:

Twitter is a terrible medium for any kind of discussion or point making. He'd be better off writing a column, doing the odd think piece or using a blog site. You can still link to twitter but at least whatever the subject matter it can be a bit more fleshed out.

It would have been better or appreciated had Axl linked or referenced what he was talking about.  When I first saw that Axl and Mnuchin were both trending, I couldn't understand the connection. 

I did hear that Mnuchin amazingly called for Americans to travel around the country during the pandemic, which is an insanely stupid thing to say, let alone from a person in his position.  But I thought Axl's remark about being an asshole applied to something else he said since Mnuchin's comments are more dumb than dickish.  

[The Real McCoy]

4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Of course. But with this in mind it makes comments such as "I’ll never listen to or support this band again" if they made a political album seem rather churlish. 

With the best will in the world, Trump and his fans aren't renowned around the world for their embracing of factual evidence, science and reason, and the suggestion that 'the mainstream media' has in someway formed a mass allegiance to 'get at them' is one of their little nonsenses that I always find amusing! 

And to be honest, if Axl made an album entirely dedicated to ripping to shreds a man that thinks it might be a good idea to inject yourself with disinfectant, I'd be first in the queue to hear it! 

 

My fiancé is a fairly liberal minded person. Her, and her entire family are all firmly anti-Trump, but I’ve had civil discussions with all of them in regards to our views. It never degenerates to yelling or anything of the sort. 
 

I like to think that I’d be able to have the same civil discussion with Axl if ever given the chance, and then still clink beers after and call it a day. It’s not like he’s personally attacking me, so I fully realize that it’s weird to take a stand for Trump (or any politician, really.)

I wish that didn’t care about politics. It would make life far easier.

[allwaystired]

1 minute ago, The Real McCoy said:

My fiancé is a fairly liberal minded person. Her, and her entire family are all firmly anti-Trump, but I’ve had civil discussions with all of them in regards to our views. It never degenerates to yelling or anything of the sort. 
 

I like to think that I’d be able to have the same civil discussion with Axl if ever given the chance, and then still clink beers after and call it a day. It’s not like he’s personally attacking me, so I fully realize that it’s weird to take a stand for Trump (or any politician, really.)

I wish that didn’t care about politics. It would make life far easier.

Fair enough. 

Personally, I struggle to see how any conversation about Trump can remain too civil, or really how anyone could ever vote for a man so utterly ignorant. It oesn't even seem an 'opinion' thing to me, it's so clear what the man is. But that's a conversation for another time. 

Back on topic (sort of) I think it's pretty clear that any truly 'new' Axl lyrics will be political. It seems to be the one thing that fires him up now. 

[FuriousStyles]

5 hours ago, James Bond said:

Maybe Fernando fired him and is assuming the role as frontman. That was his master plan all along!

*Inside three hour meeting room : Minute 94*

*Omnious background music/Thunderclap*

Shadowy Figure: Ticket sales are non-existent. We might have to move the stadium shows to arenas, or worse, Hard Rock Casino/Hotels/Cafes/Parking Lots*

*Long Silence. A smile breaks over Fernando's face*

Fernando: "I GOT IT! I'M BRINING HIM BACK!"

Shadowy Figure: Izzy? Matt Adler? Steven Sorum?

*Fernando waves him off - RELEASES PRESS RELEASE*

"FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER....OVER 12 CONTINENTS and 9 TIME ZONES. FORMER GUNS N' ROSES LEAD SINGER AXL ROSE REJOINS FOUNDING MEMBERS FRANK FERRER AND RICHARD FORTUS FOR WORLD TOUR! Additional Musicians Slash and Duff McKagan also appearing...."

[Tom-Ass]

I guess that was Axl welcoming him to the club of assholes. 

Not sure how the US government is responsible for the 70,000 plus deaths.. Are they also responsible for all the other deaths in the world?  How about shifting some blame to the fucking source? China?  The US has the most deaths but also one of the biggest populations. If you look at deaths per population ratio the US is far from the top. 70% of the deaths in the US were also in NJ and New York where Mayor and Health Commisioner were urging people the whole month of February to live their lives as normal and the Virus was a non issue.. 

[Voodoochild]

59 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Of course. But with this in mind it makes comments such as "I’ll never listen to or support this band again" if they made a political album seem rather churlish. 

With the best will in the world, Trump and his fans aren't renowned around the world for their embracing of factual evidence, science and reason, and the suggestion that 'the mainstream media' has in someway formed a mass allegiance to 'get at them' is one of their little nonsenses that I always find amusing! 

And to be honest, if Axl made an album entirely dedicated to ripping to shreds a man that thinks it might be a good idea to inject yourself with disinfectant, I'd be first in the queue to hear it! 

Totally agree. And it's not like Trump has just one "a major accusation", if this is something to compare to.

But let's be honest: Axl will use as much CD left-overs as he can. So if anything, he will be talking about Monica Lewinksi and Bush. 

[soon]

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Not sure how the US government is responsible for the 70,000 plus deaths

The US government is most definitely responsible for its citizens.

3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Are they also responsible for all the other deaths in the world?

No, why do you ask?

3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

How about shifting some blame to the fucking source? China?

You seem to be falling into the trap of assuming that these things are an 'either/or' scenario.

But youd have to explain how making one comment could possibly cover the entire topic of a pandemic. And of course that would be impossible. What it possible is to make specific comments about specific things. Such as Mnuchins call for Americans to travel the States during the pandemic. So an American spoke up about this dangerous and dumb suggestion.

6 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

70% of the deaths in the US were also in NJ and New York where Mayor and Health Commisioner were urging people the whole month of February to live their lives as normal and the Virus was a non issue.. 

So... you are calling out the Mayors for doing essentially the same thing that Axl is calling Mnuchin out for? With the huge difference that there is no excuse to not know better by this point in the evolving situation.

[downzy]

5 minutes ago, soon said:

So... you are calling out the Mayors for doing essentially the same thing that Axl is calling Mnuchin out for? With the huge difference that there is no excuse to not know better by this point in the evolving situation.

Never mind the fact that mayors and governors did not have an entire intelligence apparatus at their disposal that was feeding them dire warnings of the impending crisis.  

[Tom-Ass]

2 minutes ago, soon said:

The US government is most definitely responsible for its citizens.

They are not responsible for this fucking virus. Death is unavoidable

No, why do you ask?

I asked because Axhole said that the government was responsible for 70,000 deaths. Does that mean the governments in each individual nation are resposible for teh deaths in their Country?

You seem to be falling into the trap of assuming that these things are an 'either/or' scenario.

But youd have to explain how making one comment could possibly cover the entire topic of a pandemic. And of course that would be impossible. What it possible is to make specific comments about specific things. Such as Mnuchins call for Americans to travel the States during the pandemic. So an American spoke up about this dangerous and dumb suggestion.

Again, I am referring to him blaming the government for the 70,000 Deaths. China is the one responsible for all the death in the WORLD. Liberals would rather give them a pass and put all the blame on Trump so they can win the election. 

So... you are calling out the Mayors for doing essentially the same thing that Axl is calling Mnuchin out for? With the huge difference that there is no excuse to not know better by this point in the evolving situation.

No.. But Axl and his kind are very one sided with their hate for the Trump administration and it is dangerous. I am just stating the fact The vast majority of US Deaths were in NY and NJ where this was happening. There is countless amounts of footage from these people during this time. There motives were political and not for the better of their community. Trump shut down travel from China and Europe and they were hell bent on proving he did this because he was a xenophobic racist. This was catastrophic for NY and NJ.   All Liberals were doing it.. Pelosi as well.  They all want to be Monday morning quarterbacks but they sure as hell weren't coming up with any solutions other than to pack the subways and go to the chinese parades telling everyone that human to human contact was highly unlikely over and over and over.  Never saw him tweeting about any of that.

 

[Stay.Of.Execution]

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

 

Dude.. you do realize the government has an affect on how the virus spreads and how many people therefore die?

Look at how germany handled it and look at how imbecil trump is handling it.

[registra]

21 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Again, I am referring to him blaming the government for the 70,000 Deaths. China is the one responsible for all the death in the WORLD. Liberals would rather give them a pass and put all the blame on Trump so they can win the election.

Each individual government is very much responsible for how the virus is handled within their own country. The virus may have started in China, but China is not responsible for the downplaying and dismissal of the danger of the virus by Trump,  his administration, and the right wing media. 

Every government is responsible for how the virus is handled in its own country. So no, its not China's fault that America has 1 million more cases than any other country in the world. It's very much Trump's and the GOP's fault. And it will also be their fault when this gets worse, considering their support for protestors and their support to reopen the country.

It genuinely baffles me how people can fall for this idea that America's terrible response to the problem can be blamed on China. Seems like it can be blamed on anything but Trump and his administration(btw, what terrible leadership of Obama to not have testing kits for a virus that didn't even exist at the time. How terrible of him to only leave Trump with three years to prepare for something like this. He should've prepared for the fact that Trump would cut funding to the pandemic response team. Damn lefties). I don't even consider myself left or right, but Trump(along with the GOP, and other left politicians) is responsible for this in America. We knew about this virus in January, and nothing was done about it in America till the end of March.

Edited May 7, 2020 by registra

[Tom-Ass]

7 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

Dude.. you do realize the government has an affect on how the virus spreads and how many people therefore die?

Look at how germany handled it and look at how imbecil trump is handling it.

I totally get that.. Just trying to figure out how all you Monday morning Quarterbacks would have handled it.  Every Country is different in how this virus effects it. You take New York and New Jersey out of the equation and the numbers are low.  As it is there are plenty of Countries that are worse off.  Trump can't be blamed for them. But China can. 

Trump shut down international flights from China and Europe a month before there were any deaths and was chastised for it. Less than two weeks before that the W.H.O was tweeting out that human to human infection was highly unlikely. Was he supposed to have shut the Country down then when there were no deaths? 

It just pisses me off that in the middle of this people want to make it political and point fingers for political blame with the liberal media leading the way. 

You know what would have saved the most lives? If China was forthcoming from the beginning (and still) instead of trying to cover this shit up. They fucking shutdown domestic flights out of Wuhan but not internationally. That is just fucking insane. Their government is fucking evil but lets give them a pass. 

[allwaystired]

Unbelievable that even a mass pandemic becomes a 'he said, she said' game with Trump. Even in the middle of all this death he's still playing politics, trying to 'blame' China for his own ends, trying to make 'democratic vs republican' issues, and trying to pretend he didn't say and do things he did. 

I mean, for fucks sake, yeah the virus did originate in China. And? What difference does it make at this stage? His whole aim seems to be, as ever, to make claims every one else is responsible but him and his pals. As the people of America die. 

If ever there was a time to stop playing politics and games, this is it. Sadly he's simply not even remotely intelligent enough to grasp this, so continues throwing his toys out of the pram, lying and blaming anyone he can possibly think of, while him and his cabal of equally dim witted cohorts make ever more surreal and bonkers statements the more desperate they become. 

One of them is even spending his time arguing with a rockstar on a social media platform. 

It's pathetic. It's a fucking virus and a public health emergency that requires a joined up and focused plan. The Trump administration isn't capable of doing that, and everyone (including themselves) is now waking up to this. 

The world (not just America) has elected uniquely unqualified and incapable leaders. Then expected them to be qualified and capable. 

 

[soon]

5 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

They are not responsible for this fucking virus. Death is unavoidable

Death from the virus is very avoidable. 

... Not if you listen to Mnuchin, but in general.

7 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Does that mean the governments in each individual nation are resposible for teh deaths in their Country?

Without falling into the trap of hyperbole that you've set, yes there is plenty of room to examine and critique the ways that various governments have acted or failed to act to address the pandemic and save lives.

Mnuchin encouraging travel in the States is a great example of a government being responsible for any deaths that result from someone listening to him.

11 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Liberals would rather give them a pass and put all the blame on Trump so they can win the election. 

Is your support for the Trump regimes infantile stupidity regarding the pandemic motivated along similar lines, tho?