nycgunner Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Hahaha! Remember when he said it might be a good idea to inject yourself with disinfectant?! It's not even about 'republicans' or 'democrats' really in my view- the guy is a stone cold fucking idiot, irrelevant of political leanings. It's right there in front of people to see. 100% agree. Idiot and takes dishonesty to unimaginable and dangerous levels. Fuck this guy and everyone who has enabled him. Not sure how anyone can defend him at this point. Good for Axl for speaking his mind. Wish he’d bring that fire on stage or, given we are locked down, into the studio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, vloors said: Im sure Mnuchin has his own team brazil doing that for him Probably, but it doesn't make it any better for him. Isn't it funny that, from what I read, he or his team have ignored all the other public criticism towards him but chose to reply to a rock musician's criticism by asking him what he has done for his country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardNixon Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I had an idiot boss who loved Trump and he'd say shit like "The Stock Market is BOOMING!" and I'd be like, "do you own any stocks?" and he'd be like "uh, Yeah!" and you knew that he was full of shit. He'd go on about the GDP (as if he knew what that was) and how me and him were going to have all this extra money because of the tax cuts (which never materialized for us). So yeah, if you are super wealthy than Trump has been great. Lots of shitty low-paying jobs out there, record low unemployment which counts people who work a few hours a week and doesn't include people who just stopped looking for work. It's not all Trump's fault and things were in a downward spiral for the working class for years, but to say that "the economy was never better under Trump" is fucking preposterous. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamundson Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Get attention by putting out an album, this is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, guitarpatch said: Maybe we should be holding the Treasury Secretary and the President’s administration to a higher standard instead of lowering it to Axl Freakin Rose’s level? Seems like some have that issue and are trying to put them on some sort of even playing field This is exactly what everyone should take away from this interaction. Steve Mnuchin is the Secretary of the U.S. Treasure - one of the most powerful positions in the United States, if not the world. He's effectively elevated Axl Rose - someone who as much as I agree with him politically, should not be considered an authority on U.S. politics - as worthy of his response. In the middle of a pandemic where tens of millions of Americans are losing or have lost their jobs, you have the treasure secretary responding to a rock star. That's fucking mental. And it's incredibly bad PR. It reminds me of what Richard Nixon use to do with LBJ back in the 1960s. Despite being a failed politico by virtue of losing the presidential election of 1960 and then the California Governorship to Ronald Reagan Pat Brown a few years later, Nixon was able to elevate himself by getting LBJ to respond to his criticisms as though he were an equal. Outside of Vietnam, it was one of the dumbest things Johnson ever did since it helped Nixon revive his career and propelled him to the Republican nomination in 1968. Nothing good could come by responding. But apparently Trump's guy thought otherwise. It's just mind numbing how much of an amateur Mnuchin really is. Not a huge surprise considering he was claiming, even as late as middle March, that the pandemic would only shave a half point off GDP growth. Edited May 7, 2020 by downzy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allwaystired Posted May 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, crashoride said: Political Hack Axl Rose should spend some time writing an album instead of trying to get attention on Twitter. Or maybe spend less time at DisneyLand perfecting his Mickey. It's sad what the media has done to people in this world. Love or hate Trump, but our economy was the best it has ever been. Billionaires and millionaires act just like Trump. People vote with their wallets, not over some candidates personality. Give him some credit, he is doing exactly what he campaigned on. All of these celebrities think they are politicians, health care professionals, etc. STFU and focus on what you're gifted at. Why does any and everyone that likes Trump ALWAYS reference the 'media' as some sort of big enemy? Is it because Trump always does? I'm not sure they know what they're talking about really, like they think 'the media' all sits in one little room and has meetings. Or they maybe think 'the media' is one big company, rather than a catch-all word used to describe the entire global communications and entertainment industries? What do they even mean by 'the media'? Is it essentially 'any newspaper, film or music outlet that disagrees with them'? You often hear 'the media' blamed when some old fading celeb gets a few crap reviews. They always start blazing on about how 'the media has an agenda to get them' and the like, when the reality is that their new film/book/album whatever is just shit. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: How does one go about pronouncing Mnuchin, whoever he/she is - that opening consonantal duo are throwing me? Manure + chin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, crashoride said: All of these celebrities think they are politicians, health care professionals, etc. STFU and focus on what you're gifted at. LOL Celebrities should keep quit and stop criticizing the celebrity president. Right, got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashoride Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Why does any and everyone that likes Trump ALWAYS reference the 'media' as some sort of big enemy? Is it because Trump always does? I'm not sure they know what they're talking about really, like they think 'the media' all sits in one little room and has meetings. Or they maybe think 'the media' is one big company, rather than a catch-all word used to describe the entire global communications and entertainment industries? What do they even mean by 'the media'? Is it essentially 'any newspaper, film or music outlet that disagrees with them'? You often hear 'the media' blamed when some old fading celeb gets a few crap reviews. They always start blazing on about how 'the media has an agenda to get them' and the like, when the reality is that their new film/book/album whatever is just shit. No matter who is in office the media is a joke. They twist everything around for their side of the fence. When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat or CNN praise a republican? This all started back when the radio emerged and is a lot worse these days. Do more research on a specific topic before siding with one media source especially when they are biased towards a specific party. The media is just entertainment at this point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, crashoride said: When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat or CNN praise a republican? How is it the "media's" job to praise any politician? Rather than paint an entire industry, why not take issue with what is being said by one particular journalist or commentator? Otherwise, you come across as lazy and paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 11 hours ago, DTJ80 said: How the hell can you get that wrong?! Just completed one of the biggest tours in history?! 😂 FOX is Trumpist, it is the reason they contempt about Axl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashoride Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, downzy said: LOL Celebrities should keep quit and stop criticizing the celebrity president. Right, got it. Celebrities criticize cause they have Trump syndrome as well. They think they are above everyone, and that their opinion matters. What have they done for the world lately that they didn't get a tax break on? Also, they should run for office if they know it all. That worked out well for Arnold in California. lol They are welcome to criticize and we can as well. We have that freedom in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardNixon Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, downzy said: This is exactly what everyone should take away from this interaction. Steve Mnuchin is the Secretary of the U.S. Treasure - one of the most powerful positions in the United States, if not the world. He's effectively elevated Axl Rose - someone who as much as I agree with him politically, should not be considered an authority on U.S. politics - as worthy of his response. In the middle of a pandemic where tens of millions of Americans are losing or have lost their jobs, you have the treasure secretary responding to a rock star. That's fucking mental. And it's incredibly bad PR. It reminds me of what Richard Nixon use to do with LBJ back in the 1960s. Despite being a failed politico by virtue of losing the presidential election of 1960 and then the California Governorship to Ronald Reagan a few years later, Nixon was able to elevate himself by getting LBJ to respond to his criticisms as though he were an equal. Outside of Vietnam, it was one of the dumbest things Johnson ever did since it helped Nixon revive his career and propelled him to the Republican nomination in 1968. Nothing good could come by responding. But apparently Trump's guy thought otherwise. It's just mind numbing how much of an amateur Mnuchin really is. Not a huge surprise considering he was claiming, even as late as middle March, that the pandemic would only shave a half point off GDP growth. Good post, but Nixon lost the CA gubernatorial race to Pat Brown in 1962, who lost four years later to Reagan in 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashoride Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, downzy said: How is it the "media's" job to praise any politician? Rather than paint an entire industry, why not take issue with what is being said by one particular journalist or commentator? Otherwise, you come across as lazy and paranoid. So.... you're saying the media is not biased towards a specific party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, crashoride said: Celebrities criticize cause they have Trump syndrome as well. They think they are above everyone, and that their opinion matters. What have they done for the world lately that they didn't get a tax break on? Also, they should run for office if they know it all. That worked out well for Arnold in California. lol They are welcome to criticize and we can as well. We have that freedom in this country. To reiterate: you're criticizing celebrities for voicing their opinion in an effort to support a celebrity who became president by voicing his. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycgunner Posted May 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, crashoride said: No matter who is in office the media is a joke. They twist everything around for their side of the fence. When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat or CNN praise a republican? This all started back when the radio emerged and is a lot worse these days. Do more research on a specific topic before siding with one media source especially when they are biased towards a specific party. The media is just entertainment at this point in time. Couldn’t disagree more strongly. Good journalism is more important than ever, especially in an age when too many live in their own echo chambers (Fox News, FB, Twitter) and an administration that perpetually lies (too many examples in the last 2-3 months to even site) and is plainly incompetent. NYT, Washington Post, and WSJ, among others, are doing a fantastic job. Note I am not referring to Opinion sections, which are just that and of course have their own politically leanings. Yes, you won’t see “mainstream” media praise Trump because there isn’t anything to praise. This is a man who needs his ass kissed to even bother doing his job. A man who said he preferred to leave Americans on a boat plagued with this virus because he wanted to keep the numbers down. A man who doesn’t want testing availability for you and me because the numbers will make “us” look bad (his words from yesterday, not mine) Pretty sure I saw universal praise for GW Bush’s unity video from last weekend. People are starved for leadership. The only person that had an issue with Bush’s video was Trump. He’s still sore Bush was chosen for McCain’s eulogy and Trump wasn’t welcome. But Trump likes his veterans who weren’t captured... Thank God for real journalists who are exposing and combating the lies Edited May 7, 2020 by nycgunner Typo 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampfox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, crashoride said: No matter who is in office the media is a joke. They twist everything around for their side of the fence. When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat or CNN praise a republican? This all started back when the radio emerged and is a lot worse these days. Do more research on a specific topic before siding with one media source especially when they are biased towards a specific party. The media is just entertainment at this point in time. If you flip between Fox News and CNN it's like entering two alternate realities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, crashoride said: So.... you're saying the media is not biased towards a specific party? I don't care about bias. Nor should anyone. What they should care about is whether what is being reported is factual, reasoned, and using information and arguments that hold up to scrutiny. Trump is a shit person who has repeatedly demonstrated he's unfit for the office he serves. No one can seriously argue otherwise. Those who do do so out of tribe loyalty or some deep unseated need to piss on those they don't like or disagree with. It would make zero sense for an independent press to not hold to account a man so unfit for office. That's their job as spelled out by the Constitution. It's insane to me that the term "Trump derangement syndrome" is levied against Trump critics when they seem to be the only ones seeing this charlatan for who he is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, RichardNixon said: Good post, but Nixon lost the CA gubernatorial race to Pat Brown in 1962, who lost four years later to Reagan in 1966. Damn it, my California gubernatorial history is slipping. Thanks for catching that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Can we stop with the political references? I don’t see what any of this has to do with GNR releasing an album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, smokingarthur said: Can we stop with the political references? I don’t see what any of this has to do with GNR releasing an album? There are plenty of threads here that pertain to an album release. Axl Rose having a back and forth Twitter response with the Treasury Secretary seems like it should be discussion worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, crashoride said: When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat Tucker Carlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, crashoride said: So.... you're saying the media is not biased towards a specific party? Biases in media will always exist and are necessary. The alternative to this is state run media. If you really don’t want to know the truth, by all means hope for that scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, crashoride said: No matter who is in office the media is a joke. They twist everything around for their side of the fence. When have you seen Fox News praise a democrat or CNN praise a republican? This all started back when the radio emerged and is a lot worse these days. Do more research on a specific topic before siding with one media source especially when they are biased towards a specific party. The media is just entertainment at this point in time. ....well how about sourcing your news from impartial reputable sources? Far easier to blame 'the media' whenever they point out that Trump is lying, and have the sheer audacity to back it up with facts and evidence I suppose. All downhill since that pesky radio came along! Ring back the donkey express! Edited May 7, 2020 by allwaystired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Appparently it Mnchin was the "Wonder Woman" producer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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